Post by shostakovich on Jun 12, 2015 12:38:16 GMT -5
Okay, does anyone else remember that episode of Girlfriends where Lynn's white sister comes to visit? And she identifies as African American and Lynn is figuring out how to deal with that, then they go to the salon together one day and the sister starts singing along to a song and just spouts out the N word and it's like screeeeech?
Okay, does anyone else remember that episode of Girlfriends where Lynn's white sister comes to visit? And she identifies as African American and Lynn is figuring out how to deal with that, then they go to the salon together one day and the sister starts singing along to a song and just spouts out the N word and it's like screeeeech?
It's obviously not common, but it's pretty obvious that biological ethnicity and ethnic identity are easily separated. Look at all of the people with like .5% Irish or German or whatever blood that see that label as their whole identity...
It's obviously not common, but it's pretty obvious that biological ethnicity and ethnic identity are easily separated. Look at all of the people with like .5% Irish or German or whatever blood that see that label as their whole identity...
It *might* be about the blatant lying & deception too. Just a wee bit.
It's obviously not common, but it's pretty obvious that biological ethnicity and ethnic identity are easily separated. Look at all of the people with like .5% Irish or German or whatever blood that see that label as their whole identity...
Yes. Eating weinerschnitzel because your great great grandfather was born in Munich is the same thing as falsely claiming the mantle of another race's identity to promote your own professional, social, and political agenda.
It's obviously not common, but it's pretty obvious that biological ethnicity and ethnic identity are easily separated. Look at all of the people with like .5% Irish or German or whatever blood that see that label as their whole identity...
No. They're not easily separated, not really, not when you add physiological traits inherent to a culture into it.
As far as comparing transgender people to transracialism, you... can't. Because there are literally physiological markers in the brains of people who feel trapped in the body of the wrong gender. There are similarities to male brains in female-to-male transgender people; there are female markers in the brains of male-to-female transgender people.
The only physical difference between black and white people is melanin. Everything else is culture and history and experience.
Therefore, no. You cannot be "trapped" in the body of a white person and insist you're really black. It doesn't work that way. When you say that, you're really saying you want to be black; not that you are black. That's the difference.
Additionally, lying about it doesn't work in Rachel's favor in this instance either. If you ask Caitlyn Jenner if she's a woman she'll say yes. When you ask Rachel if she's African-American, she "doesn't understand the question." That doesn't indicate transracialism; that just indicates that she's been lying and she's afraid of getting caught.
I think you just stumbled upon a future PhD thesis.
stellas, you're just too cute by half and twice as superior as usual today. You're not contributing to the discussion, but reaffirming in your own mind how much better and more real you are than we are. Enjoy your self-congratulatory musings.
I think you just stumbled upon a future PhD thesis.
I don't understand your reactions in this thread. Do you think the whole thing is stupid? Because that's how it comes across. That you think we're all idiots for even engaging in talks like this. In which case I think your assessment is sadly backwards.
I just saw a snippet of an interview with her parents as I walked past the break room but they said that they didn't speak up about it earlier because for a long time, they thought that she was making some sort of "artistic" statement by changing her appearance and didn't realize she was saying she was actually black.
Taking this a step further, if you can identify as another sex (transgender), why can't you identify as another race? It sounds like she has always felt this way. It is a very strange situation with her parents. I agree with others, why have they waited?
....I don't know how one would identify as another race. I mean, aside from a different melanin level. What does this mean? How does one feel like a black person stuck in a white person's body?
I'm here. I mean, I don't presume to know what it feels like to be a black woman, but I think she (the woman in the story) is making that presumption, and is muddling race and culture. Unlike being transgender, where your inborn gender identity doesn't match your physical body, one isn't really born with a race identity. Are they? Is race alone (not associated with culture) so deeply ingrained in our consciousness that people can feel like they should have more melanin and different bone structure and genetic markers than what they were born with?
Or is it the learned experience of culture she's really after? Because to me, that's what it seems like, except she's gone to great lengths to deceive people and "look the part" of what she thinks she should be to live a particular lifestyle.
That's the part that's crazy. The deception. I mean, she deliberately avoids the race question, and associations with her biological/racial history. She KNOWS she's being deceptive. Unlike a transgender person who has transitioned, and is living openly as a person of the now opposite gender, she's "transitioned" to what she feels portrays a different race, but is flat out lying about it.
I want to know if Stella's is aware that her declaration isn't just wrong, it's offensive. Because to suggest that someone can be born transracial, you are saying that there is a fundamental difference between human beings of different races beyond skin pigment. And that's, well, a really gross thing to think.
I want to know if Stella's is aware that her declaration isn't just wrong, it's offensive. Because to suggest that someone can be born transracial, you are saying that there is a fundamental difference between human beings of different races beyond skin pigment. And that's, well, a really gross thing to think.
It's obviously not common, but it's pretty obvious that biological ethnicity and ethnic identity are easily separated. Look at all of the people with like .5% Irish or German or whatever blood that see that label as their whole identity...
From a biological perspective, "race" and "ethnicity" don't exist. There is more genetic variation within racially defined groups than there is between them. "Race" is a relatively recent (i.e., 300-400 year old) social construct rooted in specific historical processes of European colonialism and capitalist expansion achieved through the use of slave labor. So, no, someone can't be one biological race and identify as another because biological race doesn't exist.