Weird! I've never seen alcohol on the places we've rented by clearly I'm not renting the right places!
I wouldn't want the liability..
Hey, if you're subletting your rented apartment out to strangers the bottle of wine you give them should probably be the least of your concerns liability-wise. I'd worry a lot more about the 9000 other things that could go wrong
Right!!
Thank God I'll be right next door.
Also, if it wasn't legal or whatnot, than Airbnb wouldn't exist. And it wouldn't be a thriving concept.
90% of the airbnb reviews I've read mention that the host left a bottle of wine. If it is a huge no-no, a lot of people are screwed. But... I mean, what's the worst that could happen with one bottle of wine?
(That said, if you have a stocked liquor cabinet, clear that out.)
One more thing: I would not want personal effects lying around. I want to stay in a place that is like a hotel, not somewhere that is lived in.
Weird! I've never seen alcohol on the places we've rented by clearly I'm not renting the right places!
I wouldn't want the liability..
I guess I just don't see the difference between providing them a bottle and them purchasing their own bottle.
Weird! I've never seen alcohol on the places we've rented by clearly I'm not renting the right places!
I wouldn't want the liability..
I guess I just don't see the difference between providing them a bottle and them purchasing their own bottle.
Mmmm ok.
You really don't see why providing alcohol could be place liability on you should something happen? In California...........?!??!!?
Also--I can almost guarantee your lease specifically outlines that you cannot lease your place out...but I'm guessing you're going to say it's kewl and you don't know my lyfe. You do not own this house so this whole "well last time it was different" is not really an accurate statement.
@buckybells... Towels and sheets are my weakness. Lol. So I'll make sure they are fluffy, because I like fluffy and soft. I also agree with exploring the city, so I really want to emphasize that.
Also, if it wasn't legal or whatnot, than Airbnb wouldn't exist. And it wouldn't be a thriving concept.
Oh man, if ppl only did legal things all the time, attorneys would be bored and airbnb, uber, etc wouldn't have teams of lobbyists working to keep it legal.
Not saying it's not legal where you are, but that is an amazingly incorrect assumption.
I guess I just don't see the difference between providing them a bottle and them purchasing their own bottle.
Mmmm ok.
Could you please elaborate?
I'm not understanding, because I don't know your view / thoughts.
Eta - it's been a lengthy conversation with my landlord. He's on board, it's written into my lease. But hey, you don't know my lyfe and I know how much you, in particular, enjoy being an asshole to me.
Also, if it wasn't legal or whatnot, than Airbnb wouldn't exist. And it wouldn't be a thriving concept.
Oh man, if ppl only did legal things all the time, attorneys would be bored and airbnb, uber, etc wouldn't have teams of lobbyists working to keep it legal.
Not saying it's not legal where you are, but that is an amazingly incorrect assumption.
So AAM2012 should I ban all alcohol in my place because of the liabilities?
Should I ban them for participating in any drinking because of the liabilities?
Last time, I was looking at renting out a room temporarily with my ex (landlord) so we didn't have to get a roommate. Not necessarily the best reason to Airbnb. This time, I'm traveling more, live alone, have communicated with my landlord (again), and it's a prime reason to list my place when I'm travelling for at least a month out of every quarter.
Post by EmilieMadison on Jul 1, 2015 21:51:02 GMT -5
Frankly, I'm shocked that your landlord is on board with you frequently and temporarily subletting your apartment to people who will not be screened like a tenant/roommate would. Most people who do AirBnB etc are not renters, and if they are, they're likely violating their lease terms. Most rental places also have restrictions about using the premises as a place of business. What kind of insurance to you have aside from standard renter's insurance? Because that wont cut it if something happens.
Oh, I forgot to mention that recommendations for local stuff is GREAT. I am staying in all airBNB places on my upcoming vacation and I'm really looking forward to seeing their recs for neighborhood bars and places to go nearby for breakfast or whatever. My favorite meal on my last trip was from a recommendation for breakfast that the host gave us. It's one thing to do your own research, but the people who are actually living and eating in the neighborhood seem to have an even better grasp on the local gems.
I honestly don't care about things like breakfast and coffee. Again, if I'm on vacation I want to explore the city and get coffee at a local coffee shop.
But how do you explore the city without coffee???
I don't want to have to find clothes in order to get coffee.
Breakfast/coffee is the first stop!
IDK maybe I'm weird. I drink coffee daily but usually not until I get to work.
I do think coffee/food/etc is a nice touch. It just doesn't make or break the experience for me and I'd rather get a lower cost rental than have to pay more because the host is putting out a lot of their money for amenities. If the place is clean, comfortable, relatively private, and in a decent location - that's all that really matters to me.
Frankly, I'm shocked that your landlord is on board with you frequently and temporarily subletting your apartment to people who will not be screened like a tenant/roommate would. Most people who do AirBnB etc are not renters, and if they are, they're likely violating their lease terms. Most rental places also have restrictions about using the premises as a place of business. What kind of insurance to you have aside from standard renter's insurance? Because that wont cut it if something happens.
Hmm.. Maybe it's different because of my city or I have a bad ass landlord. Or maybe the fact that I'm staying next door when it's being used.
But my landlord is totally on board. We have a written agreement for when temporary users are in the unit; I'm not responsible for any damages, etc.
I'm not living in an apartment complex. I think there's different rules for that.
Honestly, a majority of the feedback has been helpful but some of these comments are only because I'm "Bliss".
Frankly, I'm shocked that your landlord is on board with you frequently and temporarily subletting your apartment to people who will not be screened like a tenant/roommate would. Most people who do AirBnB etc are not renters, and if they are, they're likely violating their lease terms. Most rental places also have restrictions about using the premises as a place of business. What kind of insurance to you have aside from standard renter's insurance? Because that wont cut it if something happens.
Hmm.. Maybe it's different because of my city or I have a bad ass landlord. Or maybe the fact that I'm staying next door when it's being used.
But my landlord is totally on board. We have a written agreement for when temporary users are in the unit; I'm not responsible for any damages, etc.
I'm not living in an apartment complex. I think there's different rules for that.
Honestly, a majority of the feedback has been helpful but some of these comments are only because I'm "Bliss".
Shocker, it's not about you bliss. Please explain to the rest of the class what could possibly be in it for your landlord to take on that risk when he/she has a sign lease and guaranteed monthly income from you?
Did your landlord provide you a written agreement that it's ok for you to rent to others?
What's in it for all the other landlords or people who are using these services every day?
I mean seriously. I'm not the only person doing this or even using the services.
Come on now.
Eta - AAM2012 please read above where I say "my landlord and I have a written agreement."
But that's the point- there ISN'T anything in this for the landlords except added liability and potential added expenses. Are you giving your landlord a percentage of the proceeds of this venture? What's in it for the tenants who are posting their apartments on Airbnb? Money. What's in it for people using the service? A place to stay.
And just because other people do it doesn't mean they're doing it with permission; it's highly abused by tenants who's landlords have no idea.
EmilieMadison I've never understood why you all feel like you need "proof".
Like I've said multiple times in this thread, my landlord is on board, my landlord & I have a written agreement.
I recognize that I think differently than some of the posters here. I'm happy to give my wifi password to others or lend my couch to a friend in need, etc.
Thank you again to those who provided suggestions. I'm looking forward to putting together a binder of fun + buying new towels / sheets.
Post by vanillacourage on Jul 1, 2015 22:37:27 GMT -5
Unless your landlord is doing a brand new walk through every time you have Airbnb guests, ultimately yes, you are responsible for any damages caused because your LL will compare the property when you move out to the condition it was in when you moved in, irrespective of when damage occurred.
Unless your landlord is doing a brand new walk through every time you have Airbnb guests, ultimately yes, you are responsible for any damages caused because your LL will compare the property when you move out to the condition it was in when you moved in, irrespective of when damage occurred.
Totes. Thank God, we're both aware of the situation and have safeguards in place.
Oh, I thought of another thing. Use unscented laundry detergent on the towels and bed linens. My H has terrible allergies and we won't stay anywhere that doesn't use free and clear detergent.
Ah good point!! The place does have a washer and dryer so keeping unscented detergent is probably smart.
Oh man, if ppl only did legal things all the time, attorneys would be bored and airbnb, uber, etc wouldn't have teams of lobbyists working to keep it legal.
Not saying it's not legal where you are, but that is an amazingly incorrect assumption.
Omg. I came across this the other day in my research.
It's nuts!!
Here's what Airbnb says about where you live specifically (there may be even more to worry about, but as you see at the very least there are a lot of hoops):
San Diego, CA When deciding whether to become an Airbnb host, it is important for you to understand the laws in your city. As a platform and marketplace we do not provide legal advice, but we want to give you some useful links that may help you better understand laws and regulations in San Diego. This list is not exhaustive, but it should give you a good start in understanding your local laws. If you have questions, contact the Development Services Department, the Planning Department, or other city agencies directly, or consult a local lawyer or tax professional.
Land Development and Planned Districts Codes. The Land Development and Planned Districts Codes govern most land use in San Diego. The Land Development Code is located in Chapters 11 to 14 of the San Diego Municipal Code. Chapter 15 is the Planned District Code. The City Attorney can also issue written opinions regarding land use rules. You should consult these to see if your listing is consistent with any zoning requirements or use definitions. Important terms include “bed and breakfast establishments,” “boarder and lodger accommodations,” “commercial services,” “dwelling,” “dwelling unit,” “guest quarters,” “guest room,” “hotel,” and “visitor accommodations.”
Building and Housing Standards. San Diego has rules and regulations specifying minimum construction, design, and maintenance standards for buildings, including regulations on habitability, health, and safety. Certain regulations applicable to residential and non-residential uses may be relevant to your listing. You can access information about them here and here.
Business Tax and Zoning Use Certificates. San Diego requires all business operators to register and obtain a Business Tax Certificate. More information is available here.
Rental Unit Business Tax. San Diego also taxes owners and operators of many rentals. Owner-occupied rentals are excluded from this tax. Please go here for more information.
Transient Occupancy Tax and Tourism Marketing District Tax. Properties rented out to visitors for less than one month (30 days) at a time must obtain a Transient Occupancy Registration Certificate. Owners and operators are responsible for collecting these taxes. More information is available from the Treasurer’s Office here.
Other Rules. It's also important to understand and abide by other contracts or rules that bind you, such as leases, condo board or co-op rules, HOA rules, or rules established by tenant organizations. Please read your lease agreement and check with your landlord if applicable. We are committed to working with local officials to help them understand how Airbnb benefits our community. Where needed, we will continue to advocate for changes that will allow regular people to rent out their own homes.
What's in it for all the other landlords or people who are using these services every day?
I mean seriously. I'm not the only person doing this or even using the services.
Come on now.
Eta - AAM2012 please read above where I say "my landlord and I have a written agreement."
Nothing. But in many if not the vast majority of cases where a tenant (rather than an owner) is renting the apartment out on Airbnb, it is in violation of the lease and/or local law.
My landlord evicts people when they know they're doing this, but since they have thousands of units they're dealing with and there are a bunch of these sites to police, they can't catch everyone. Lots of other landlords don't have the resources or time to figure out what their tenants are doing on the side, and cities don't have the resources to figure out which of the listings out there are illegal. Which is how people get away with it.
It is truly baffling that your landlord is letting you do this and is, in fact, saying that you have no liability for what happens when other people are in the apartment. Is your landlord getting money for this? At any rate, if you truly want to have no liability, I'd go to a lawyer and get a bulletproof agreement drafted to that effect. Because believe me, when an Airbnber slips in your kitchen and is rendered paraplegic, or improperly disposes of a cigarette and burns the whole place down, I wouldn't trust the landlord to be all that kickass about taking full responsibility.
It looks like the conversation has moved past alcohol, but I'm stuck there.
I'm using VRBO for the first time in two weeks, taking my 16 year old twin sisters to the beach. I'd be upset if I show up and there's alcohol provided in the house. Also, as someone who has worked in the restaurant industry for years, do you really need to be convinced of the unfortunate things that can happen when people over-indulge in free alcohol?
Ditto PPs that this needs to seem like a hotel, and not like a residence. When I was looking at VRBO houses I immediately discarded any that seemed like personal residences (i.e. toothbrushes pictured on the bathroom counters). It skeeves me out to be sleeping in a stranger's bed.
My aunt manages two very nice VRBO houses in upscale San Jose, CA and they are very quaint and tastefully decorated, but they have the clean "hotel" feel that most people expect. She has ran them for years and has never had problems until recently, when a family (not even a group of bachelors) trashed one of them. They smeared food on the carpets, "blew up" the bathroom and left the mess behind, and broke a glasstop table. My aunt hires a cleaning crew to clean the houses between rentals, but this mess was so out of control that they're actually now pursuing legal action for the damage done to the house.
The lack of TV and dishwasher will also be deal breakers for many people. Honestly, and no flames here...but consider the kind of people you want to attract to stay in your own residence. In my aunt's case she couldn't rent the house for a few weeks after due to that one destructive incident so she lost a lot of booked customers. Thankfully she had her own private residence to go home to every day. I would NOT feel comfortable opening up my own home to strangers, and then plying them with free booze.
I am stuck on your landlord allowing this to happen. I don't get it. I don't understand why a landlord would ever agree unless they were getting part of the proceeds.
Side note: Someone at my office recently sent out a group email asking for eviction attorney recommendations. One of their clients had rented out their condo and found out the tenant was then listing it on airbnb.
Bliss, this isn't a condo building, correct? If so, the condo association will likely have restrictions against this too.
To be clear, I'm not questioning that your landlord agreed to this. I am confused as to why he would.
We stayed at a place in Kallispell where the owner had a welcome basket for us--chips, salsa, homemade huckleberry jam and bread and a book with to die for photography about Glacier National Park and the area in general. Plus his dogs came to visit every day. My favorite VRBO ever.
We stayed at a place in Kallispell where the owner had a welcome basket for us--chips, salsa, homemade huckleberry jam and bread and a book with to die for photography about Glacier National Park and the area in general. Plus his dogs came to visit every day. My favorite VRBO ever.
Oh I like the basket idea! Sure I could find some great local items to add.
And re all the concerns about it not looking like someone lived there. I'd definitely clean it and make it look hotel-like vs Bachelorette pad. Lol.
Re the alcohol. Thanks for pointing out your concerns. I appreciate it and will likely find another small "gift" to leave instead. Ie the basket of local goodies + binder of fun.
Re the landlord. He's on board. He appreciates that I communicated with him about it. It's not a condo, it's not an apartment. Anything that could happen to a guest could happen to me and my own guests.
Thanks again for the advice, bringing up some great concerns, and sharing what items you enjoy.