19 Kids and Counting Cancelled

[katfco]

Jul 16, 2015 10:42:59 GMT -5 Skyesthelimit1212 said:

Jul 16, 2015 10:21:33 GMT -5 katfco said:

The article said they're going to be on a documentary with other survivors and victims. I wonder how those people will respond to the way the whole family has downplayed what happened. 

Ya I'm thinking that it's going to be other cult families who have been through the "abuse training"  parroting that god told them to forgive and that they have been healed through forgiveness.  

Oh, goodness I hope not. 

Now, I do believe forgiveness is possible and I do believe redemption is possible, but it doesn't always happen and they still have to be allowed to acknowledge the pain. 

[emilyj]

"How do we protect our audience and protect children?'"

Well, for one, you don't take a month and a half to decide to pull the show.

[lyssbobiss, Command, B613]

This is good, but frankly 1. I had forgotten they hadn't done this already, and 2. They've known at least a little bit about the allegations from the word go. They consistently have blood on their hands. I refuse to watch another show on TLC again, which is a bummer because I did love The Little Couple. But I can't be party to their "blind eyes" anymore.

[cattledogkisses]

TLC spent a month and a half figuring out how they could appease people while still making money off of this family, hence why the girls are still going to be appearing in this documentary.

They care about their bottom dollar above all else. Yuck.

[mcsangel2]

Jul 16, 2015 9:48:44 GMT -5 eclaires said:

$5 says Jill and Jessa end up with a spin off at some point. 

I'm just going to give you $5 right now.

[wambam]

Jul 16, 2015 12:05:56 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Jul 16, 2015 9:48:44 GMT -5 eclaires said:

$5 says Jill and Jessa end up with a spin off at some point. 

I'm just going to give you $5 right now.

Jill is moving out of the country so I don't think they'll be involved in the foreseeable future.

[NewOrleans]

Glad they cancelled. I'm not too mad at them for the timeframe-- they might have needed to figure out contract items and next steps.

Also glad they intend to work on child abuse prevention.

But NO and NO and FUCK NO to having Jill and Jessa involved. 1) they are not advocates for victims. 2) they don't believe they are victims. 3) the family-- all of them-- should be on the back burner to erase the fucked up legacy of this family from prominence.

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[josieposy]

What happened to Chris Hansen anyway? I just remember the affair thing, but has he done anything since that came out?

[msmerymac]

Jul 16, 2015 10:19:01 GMT -5 katfco said:

Jul 16, 2015 9:52:49 GMT -5 eclaires said:

Oh maybe. I don't follow it at all but will randomly see shit about them on the news or in the paper.

Yeah, "Bringing Up Bates" is on Inspiration now. I keep seeing their commercials that make it seem pretty Duggar-lite. 

They're basically the same as the Duggars. There was a rumor that Jana was going to court the oldest Bates kid, Zach, but she didn't, and now he's married with a baby. 

The Bates are possibly slightly more impressive because they have 19 kids, but no twins. The Duggars have 2 sets of twins, lol.

[cattledogkisses]

Jul 16, 2015 12:13:29 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Glad they cancelled. I'm not too mad at them for the timeframe-- they might have needed to figure out contract items and next steps.

Also glad they intend to work on child abuse prevention.

But NO and NO and FUCK NO to having Jill and Jessa involved. 1) they are not advocates for victims. 2) they don't believe they are victims. 3) the family-- all of them-- should be on the back burner to erase the fucked up legacy of this family from prominence.

But, money. 

[wambam]

Jul 16, 2015 12:29:29 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Jul 16, 2015 10:19:01 GMT -5 katfco said:

Yeah, "Bringing Up Bates" is on Inspiration now. I keep seeing their commercials that make it seem pretty Duggar-lite. 

They're basically the same as the Duggars. There was a rumor that Jana was going to court the oldest Bates kid, Zach, but she didn't, and now he's married with a baby. 

The Bates are possibly slightly more impressive because they have 19 kids, but no twins. The Duggars have 2 sets of twins, lol.

The Bates come across as more likeable than the Duggars because their kids have more choices - attending college, one of the girls wears pants, actually setting rules for courtship as opposed to saying they're kid-driven but really it's JB&M with puppet strings, etc. But Gil is ATI royalty, way high up in the organization, and a professional grifter.

[msmerymac]

Jul 16, 2015 12:33:33 GMT -5 wambam said:

Jul 16, 2015 12:29:29 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

They're basically the same as the Duggars. There was a rumor that Jana was going to court the oldest Bates kid, Zach, but she didn't, and now he's married with a baby. 

The Bates are possibly slightly more impressive because they have 19 kids, but no twins. The Duggars have 2 sets of twins, lol.

The Bates come across as more likeable than the Duggars because their kids have more choices - attending college, one of the girls wears pants, actually setting rules for courtship as opposed to saying they're kid-driven but really it's JB&M with puppet strings, etc. But Gil is ATI royalty, way high up in the organization, and a professional grifter.

Yeah, but the kids all go to Crown Bible College. 

I will admit that what I know of them makes them somewhat more likeable. The older kids, at least, seem to have been treated as individuals. They seem to have different talents that at least were encouraged by their parents. I'm not sure if they use the buddy system that the Duggars have for their kids, but the Duggars seem a lot less... involved as parents. Like they ONLY care about raising a Christian Army, whereas Gil and Kelly might actually like their kids. 

Same Gothardism and views about social issues, though.

[wambam]

Jul 16, 2015 12:42:56 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Jul 16, 2015 12:33:33 GMT -5 wambam said:

The Bates come across as more likeable than the Duggars because their kids have more choices - attending college, one of the girls wears pants, actually setting rules for courtship as opposed to saying they're kid-driven but really it's JB&M with puppet strings, etc. But Gil is ATI royalty, way high up in the organization, and a professional grifter.

Yeah, but the kids all go to Crown Bible College. 

I will admit that what I know of them makes them somewhat more likeable. The older kids, at least, seem to have been treated as individuals. They seem to have different talents that at least were encouraged by their parents. I'm not sure if they use the buddy system that the Duggars have for their kids, but the Duggars seem a lot less... involved as parents. Like they ONLY care about raising a Christian Army, whereas Gil and Kelly might actually like their kids. 

Same Gothardism and views about social issues, though.

Oh for sure about the college. It's still fundie college but it is a brick and mortar school and not College Minus.

Gil and Kelly do appear to know and like their children. Their children also have individual personalities rather than appearing like parrot robots in the talking heads. So there's that.

But at their core, they believe all the same things as the Duggars and again, Gil is on the board of ATI, an organization lead by a known serial sexual assaulter.

[Brie]

The only show I'd watch featuring a Duggar ever again is "Breaking Duggar," where TLC funds a fundie rumspringa/non-religious college education for any of the children that want it.

[pugz]

Did you guys see Cousin Amy got engaged?

[knope2016]

Jul 16, 2015 10:16:48 GMT -5 Skyesthelimit1212 said:

Jul 16, 2015 10:13:08 GMT -5 panicked said:

Yup. The girls that supposedly didn't remember anything until they were told and who totally forgave him because it was a mistake, are going to be in a doc about sexual abuse.

I bet you it'll be them talking about how they were young and god told them to forgive him. I'm sure they'll throw in how they trust him and they have no problem with their kids being alone with him. 

And see, he has kids of his own now; how could he be an offender now? Right. Right?! Plus, those damn transgendered folks are the real perverts out there.  

[nursewife]

Jul 16, 2015 14:22:47 GMT -5 knope2016 said:

Jul 16, 2015 10:16:48 GMT -5 Skyesthelimit1212 said:

I bet you it'll be them talking about how they were young and god told them to forgive him. I'm sure they'll throw in how they trust him and they have no problem with their kids being alone with him. 

And see, he has kids of his own now; how could he be an offender now? Right. Right?! Plus, those damn transgendered folks are the real perverts out there.  

What I've read today from their "christian" followers is just disgusting. Molesters are ok, but a transgendered person is completely disgusting?!

[knope2016]

Jul 16, 2015 14:30:40 GMT -5 nursewife said:

Jul 16, 2015 14:22:47 GMT -5 knope2016 said:

And see, he has kids of his own now; how could he be an offender now? Right. Right?! Plus, those damn transgendered folks are the real perverts out there.  

What I've read today from their "christian" followers is just disgusting. Molesters are ok, but a transgendered person is completely disgusting?!

But but god forgives, and he was just a kid, and it was over 10 years ago.  Totally legit excuses to forgive molestation.

[zoegirltx]

Jul 16, 2015 12:13:29 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Glad they cancelled. I'm not too mad at them for the timeframe-- they might have needed to figure out contract items and next steps.

Also glad they intend to work on child abuse prevention.

But NO and NO and FUCK NO to having Jill and Jessa involved. 1) they are not advocates for victims. 2) they don't believe they are victims. 3) the family-- all of them-- should be on the back burner to erase the fucked up legacy of this family from prominence.

all of this..

it's still disgusting that they are promoting the family in any form or fashion

[sfy]

I haven't been keeping up, but I thought someone bumped an old thread. I cannot believe they are just now canceling this show. So gross.

[emisi]

Jul 16, 2015 9:35:48 GMT -5 mouse said:

Not the point at all, but how do you have 11 seasons since 2008?

The same way you have 19 (almost 20) kids in 27 years.

[sushi]

The Bates are not Duggar lite. They are as much as fundie. Gil Bates is on the board at ATI. They just have learned to appear a little more palateable on tv.