Post by jillboston on Jul 18, 2015 16:51:23 GMT -5
I am utterly shocked. He fucking campaigned for McCain in 2008! He also said that McCain is a "dummy" because he graduated last at Annapolis. He has no shame.
He is looking for his way out of the race. He can't believe how far he has gotten. I feel this is a game of chicken between some Rs and him...who will blink (abandon) first.
Post by chickadee77 on Jul 18, 2015 17:46:15 GMT -5
This may be a dumb question, but oh well. So, when he gets out of the race for whatever reason, where will he throw his support, do you think? I mean, I'm sure he has it worked out and has already been paid off for it, yes? This is all theater, it seems.
I have actually been impressed by him because he has consistently called trump out
Thanks for clarifying. I specifically did not call out Jeb! Since he's gotten so much press for his call outs but was unaware that Graham has been on it. He was soft pedaling when I saw him on TV a few weeks ago, so I'm pleased to see he's come around.
This may be a dumb question, but oh well. So, when he gets out of the race for whatever reason, where will he throw his support, do you think? I mean, I'm sure he has it worked out and has already been paid off for it, yes? This is all theater, it seems.
Not any of the guys who tweeted their disapproval of the remarks, and based on the pp, probably Cruz.
I have actually been impressed by him because he has consistently called trump out
Thanks for clarifying. I specifically did not call out Jeb! Since he's gotten so much press for his call outs but was unaware that Graham has been on it. He was soft pedaling when I saw him on TV a few weeks ago, so I'm pleased to see he's come around.
No prob. I just keep being surprised by a lot of his statements lately. Mainly that he doesn't sound fully insane lol.
I am also so impressed with the brave tweets from so many of the GOP candidates. It takes real courage to come out and take a stand on the least controversial position ever. When Trump called Mexicans rapists, and they stood silent, that was understandable, because after all, it is hard to stand up for the millions of voiceless Latinos in this country. But I'm so proud to see that they've found their voices and are standing up for what is right now that a powerful white man has been smeared. Bravo Rick Perry. Bravo Bobby Jindal. Bravo Lindsey Graham. And bravo Scott Walker. You too are heroes. Thanks to your bravery, perhaps now Trump will exit the race, and we can go back to one in which we use coded language to talk about minorities, while offering unfunded gratitude to our vets.
Anyone think he might be having a psychotic break, as his paranoia is through the roof? I don't under how his daughter turned out so normal.
This has been on my mind lately too. I mean he's been in the public eye for decades and the CRAZY never manifested itself until now as far as I know, right? Maybe he has lost it under the pressure?
Thanks for clarifying. I specifically did not call out Jeb! Since he's gotten so much press for his call outs but was unaware that Graham has been on it. He was soft pedaling when I saw him on TV a few weeks ago, so I'm pleased to see he's come around.
No prob. I just keep being surprised by a lot of his statements lately. Mainly that he doesn't sound fully insane lol.
Before the SC tea party leaders started pushing him way right, he was actually a really respectable Republican. He was known for frequently leading the charge on compromises with the dems. Then the tea party (especially from the upstate of SC, see also the crazy people who led the pro-confederate flag charge in the house) started pressuring him to move right to keep his seat. It's been miserable to watch since then. I'm hoping he's moving back to his old political ways, but too much damage may have been done.
The pre-2010ish version of Lindsey Graham would actually be a decent presidential candidate besides the fact that he was still a republican.
Anyone think he might be having a psychotic break, as his paranoia is through the roof? I don't under how his daughter turned out so normal.
This has been on my mind lately too. I mean he's been in the public eye for decades and the CRAZY never manifested itself until now as far as I know, right? Maybe he has lost it under the pressure?
Once I read an interview with Ivanka and as an example of how her father raised her with good money values, she told a story about how as a teenager walking with him during an economic downturn in real estate he pointed out some homeless person on the street on their way into what I'm sure was a giant tower emblazoned with TRUMP and said "see that man? Right now he has more money than me."
So at least 15-20 years ago he was a blowhard with no tether to reality willing to confuse his disciples with psychotic mumbo jumbo and the ability to crassly ignore the humanity of others.
Honestly, I think he believes that no press is bad press, so he's all about just making the news, no matter for what.
I think it's a combination of this with Trump's belief that he has found a magical sweet spot where he can say the most outrageous things and be lauded for being "honest" and "plain spoken."
For the past few days, Trump has been publicly feuding with McCain, the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee. McCain said that Trump had drawn out "crazies" with his immigration-focused rally in Phoenix last weekend, and Trump responded by calling McCain a "dummy" for finishing at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy.
I didn't know John McCain said that about the rally. Good for him.
I guess that since the Naval Academy isn't a cakewalk to get into or through doesn't count.
This is turning into a major clusterfuck for the GOP. Why can't they put up a viable candidate and make this an election?
I've been reading the comments on the wingnut sites, and there are a lot of people defending this as either a silly gaffe or out of context, overblown reporting to destroy him. There's a lot of people that hate him, but my sense is that these comments weren't quite as damaging as we think.
It would not surprise me if he drops some other insane bomb this week to keep his name in the news.
I've been reading the comments on the wingnut sites, and there are a lot of people defending this as either a silly gaffe or out of context, overblown reporting to destroy him. There's a lot of people that hate him, but my sense is that these comments weren't quite as damaging as we think.
It would not surprise me if he drops some other insane bomb this week to keep his name in the news.
I've been reading the comments on the wingnut sites, and there are a lot of people defending this as either a silly gaffe or out of context, overblown reporting to destroy him. There's a lot of people that hate him, but my sense is that these comments weren't quite as damaging as we think.
It would not surprise me if he drops some other insane bomb this week to keep his name in the news.
I've been reading the comments on the wingnut sites, and there are a lot of people defending this as either a silly gaffe or out of context, overblown reporting to destroy him. There's a lot of people that hate him, but my sense is that these comments weren't quite as damaging as we think.
This isn't surprising at all. McCain is not well-liked by Republicans and very much represents the establishment, and Trump's entire schtick is anti-establishment. He is spinning his comments - in true American political Orwellian fashion - as being *supportive* of vets. I continue to marvel at the surrealism.
On Saturday morning, Donald Trump blasted Senator John McCain, quipping that he was “not a war hero” because he was captured. “I like people who weren’t captured,” quipped Trump.
John McCain was shot down over Vietnam in 1967 and was held as a prisoner of war for more than five years. By all accounts he conducted himself honorably, enduring torture and refusing early release unless those who were captured before him were released first. He was awarded a Silver Star and a Purple Heart, among other honors, for his service. The remarks have predictably generated an avalanche of criticism from the rest of the Republican presidential field. Jeb Bush, for example, tweeted the following:(honor all vets kind of thing).
This seems like an uncontroversial statement. Who would disagree with the notion that “all our veterans” deserve “respect and admiration” for their service?
One such person, recent history reveals, is Jeb Bush.
In 2004, a group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth spent millions of dollars attacking the military service of John Kerry, who was then the Democratic nominee for president. The group claimed that Kerry lied about his service and was awarded military honors he didn’t deserve. The basis for these claims were definitively proven false, but the group carried on with their campaign anyway. (The claims were first published in a book by Jerome Corsi, who would later gain fame for insisting that Obama had a fake birth certificate and was not born in the United States.)
After the campaign Jeb Bush, then Governor of Florida, sent a letter to George Day — a member of the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth who appeared in television advertisements trashing Kerry. Day said Kerry, a recipient of the Silver Star and three Purple Hearts, would “go down in history sometime as the Benedict Arnold of 1971.” In his letter, Bush thanks Day and the “other Swifties” for their “support of my brother in his re-elecction.” “I simply cannot express in words how much I value their willingness to stand up against John Kerry,” Bush wrote.
The letter was reported by the New York Times and posted online by blogger Peter Daou: Jeb Bush Swift Boat Letter.0CREDIT: PETER DAOU
On Trump, Rick Perry went even further than Bush, calling on the businessman to withdraw for the race. “His attack on veterans make him unfit to be Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces, and he should immediately withdraw from the race for President,” Perry said.
But when the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth falsely attacked John Kerry, Perry supported their efforts. As the Swift Boat controversy simmered in August 2004, Perry said that “there’s a lot of questions” about Kerry’s military service and called on him to release all his military records.
The Republican Party swiftly condemned Donald Trump’s comments on McCain. But in 2004, the Republican Party repeatedly refused to condemn the Swift Boat ads, which were financed by major donors to the Republican Party. The group was also advised by individuals with close ties to the Bush campaign and the Republican Party. At the Republican National Convention in 2004, many delegates showed up with “Purple Heart” bandages as a way to support the Swift Boat advertisements and mock Kerry. On Republican who did condemn the Swift Boat ads was John McCain, although he later campaigned alongside George Day. On Sunday, Kerry blasted Trump’s attacks on McCain.
On Saturday morning, Donald Trump blasted Senator John McCain, quipping that he was “not a war hero” because he was captured. “I like people who weren’t captured,” quipped Trump.
John McCain was shot down over Vietnam in 1967 and was held as a prisoner of war for more than five years. By all accounts he conducted himself honorably, enduring torture and refusing early release unless those who were captured before him were released first. He was awarded a Silver Star and a Purple Heart, among other honors, for his service. The remarks have predictably generated an avalanche of criticism from the rest of the Republican presidential field. Jeb Bush, for example, tweeted the following:(honor all vets kind of thing).
This seems like an uncontroversial statement. Who would disagree with the notion that “all our veterans” deserve “respect and admiration” for their service?
One such person, recent history reveals, is Jeb Bush.
In 2004, a group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth spent millions of dollars attacking the military service of John Kerry, who was then the Democratic nominee for president. The group claimed that Kerry lied about his service and was awarded military honors he didn’t deserve. The basis for these claims were definitively proven false, but the group carried on with their campaign anyway. (The claims were first published in a book by Jerome Corsi, who would later gain fame for insisting that Obama had a fake birth certificate and was not born in the United States.)
After the campaign Jeb Bush, then Governor of Florida, sent a letter to George Day — a member of the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth who appeared in television advertisements trashing Kerry. Day said Kerry, a recipient of the Silver Star and three Purple Hearts, would “go down in history sometime as the Benedict Arnold of 1971.” In his letter, Bush thanks Day and the “other Swifties” for their “support of my brother in his re-elecction.” “I simply cannot express in words how much I value their willingness to stand up against John Kerry,” Bush wrote.
The letter was reported by the New York Times and posted online by blogger Peter Daou: Jeb Bush Swift Boat Letter.0CREDIT: PETER DAOU
On Trump, Rick Perry went even further than Bush, calling on the businessman to withdraw for the race. “His attack on veterans make him unfit to be Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces, and he should immediately withdraw from the race for President,” Perry said.
But when the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth falsely attacked John Kerry, Perry supported their efforts. As the Swift Boat controversy simmered in August 2004, Perry said that “there’s a lot of questions” about Kerry’s military service and called on him to release all his military records.
The Republican Party swiftly condemned Donald Trump’s comments on McCain. But in 2004, the Republican Party repeatedly refused to condemn the Swift Boat ads, which were financed by major donors to the Republican Party. The group was also advised by individuals with close ties to the Bush campaign and the Republican Party. At the Republican National Convention in 2004, many delegates showed up with “Purple Heart” bandages as a way to support the Swift Boat advertisements and mock Kerry. On Republican who did condemn the Swift Boat ads was John McCain, although he later campaigned alongside George Day. On Sunday, Kerry blasted Trump’s attacks on McCain.
thanks for this. I still cannot believe what they did to Kerry in 2004. Utterly shameful.