I actually have zero problems with people hunting if they eat what they kill. I think that having to personally take the life of the animal breeds more respect and connection to the food they eat.
Hunting for trophies is another matter, of course. Poor kitty.
I don't know. I've gone back and forth with this one. Growing up, my dad would hunt deer and he always ate them. I feel uneasy about it. I know he is good person and I am sure there are tons of other hunters who are good people. It's just the physical and mental capability of killing an animal - it sits all wrong in my heart.
The animal that's been hunted is going to have lived an infinitely better life (in general) than the animal that was raised for slaughter on a factory farm whose meat you buy in the supermarket. It will probably also have a faster and cleaner death (depending on the skill of the hunter)
My dad was a hunter when he was younger. Granted it was for eating and survival as the rural area he grew up in depended on hunting with my grandfather to get them through a winter of canned vegetables.
When I was younger, he told me that my grandfather taught my dad things like they would never kill Canadian geese because they mate for life.
I don't know why I'm sharing this but my dad telling me that always stuck with me.
I grew up on a diet heavy in deer meat, freshly caught fish, and homegrown vegetables. My dad always hunted and that was just that. I couldn't fathom him ever killing an animal that we wouldn't eat though (except maybe a poisonous snake that happened into our backyard.). I've never thought of it as cruel though because it is just the circle of life. I definitely agree with Rjamz about a wild animal living a much happier life than those raised for slaughter.
Post by rainbowchip on Jul 30, 2015 15:25:18 GMT -5
Most of my family hunts various things. I know the one thing about hunting is that if you intend to shoot an animal, you kill that animal. Not let it walk around injured for 40 hours!
I actually have zero problems with people hunting if they eat what they kill. I think that having to personally take the life of the animal breeds more respect and connection to the food they eat.
Hunting for trophies is another matter, of course. Poor kitty.
I don't know. I've gone back and forth with this one. Growing up, my dad would hunt deer and he always ate them. I feel uneasy about it. I know he is good person and I am sure there are tons of other hunters who are good people. It's just the physical and mental capability of killing an animal - it sits all wrong in my heart.
The US has taken over so much of the land, that the deer have no place to go. Without hunters we would hit them with our cars more often, and their food sources have diminished, therefore the deer could potentially starve.
I personally could never shoot an animal, the idea of that makes me uneasy as well. But I place no judgment on hunters that use the meat. I do not think that the physical and mental capability of killing an animal is a reflection of the type of person someone is. I am thankful for farmers who raise animals that feed my family.
I don't know. I've gone back and forth with this one. Growing up, my dad would hunt deer and he always ate them. I feel uneasy about it. I know he is good person and I am sure there are tons of other hunters who are good people. It's just the physical and mental capability of killing an animal - it sits all wrong in my heart.
The US has taken over so much of the land, that the deer have no place to go. Without hunters we would hit them with our cars more often, and their food sources have diminished, therefore the deer could potentially starve.
I personally could never shoot an animal, the idea of that makes me uneasy as well. But I place no judgment on hunters that use the meat. I do not think that the physical and mental capability of killing an animal is a reflection of the type of person someone is. I am thankful for farmers who raise animals that feed my family.
There is natural population control so that wouldn't necessarily be the case. But, at least in Wisconsin, they allow killing wolves so that the deer population stays high for hunters and motorists.
sunshineluv Where I grew up in PA, there was like a 3:1 ratio of deer to people per acre. But, a lot of people hunted and brought the population down during season. I'm am totally fine with hunting to provide for yourself. I know plenty of people who hunt their quota and don't buy beef products at all. I couldn't do it, but I understand. Sport hunting makes no sense to me.
What makes even less sense to me is how there's still so little outrage over the gun violence in this country. People can say all day how responsible gun owners aren't the ones doing the killing, and stricter gun control isn't the answer. But I will always say that doing nothing sure as he'll isn't the answer. We've tried that, let's try something else
mine is that I give the side eye to people who don't make any attempt to keep their children from looking like ragamuffins. Stained clothing, hair in their eyes, etc. I wouldn't leave the house like that so why would I have my kid looking like that? I mean, I get if you are out all day and they spill something or whatever but that's not what I'm referring to. I see people drop off kids at my gym daycare that don't have their hair brushed or anything.
Side eye received.
I send him to school in stained clothes because he is hell on his school clothes. Nothing nice ever gets worn there. I comb his hair, but he usually rides his scooter or bike to school and is a sweaty, disheveled mess after a dozen blocks in his helmet.
Post by charlielove on Jul 30, 2015 15:55:33 GMT -5
Thinking about where the meat you eat comes from, respecting the fact that an animal died for you to eat it, etc. is really important to me. Pretending it doesn't come from animals to make oneself feel better really gets to me.
sunshineluv Where I grew up in PA, there was like a 3:1 ratio of deer to people per acre. But, a lot of people hunted and brought the population down during season. I'm am totally fine with hunting to provide for yourself. I know plenty of people who hunt their quota and don't buy beef products at all. I couldn't do it, but I understand. Sport hunting makes no sense to me.
What makes even less sense to me is how there's still so little outrage over the gun violence in this country. People can say all day how responsible gun owners aren't the ones doing the killing, and stricter gun control isn't the answer. But I will always say that doing nothing sure as he'll isn't the answer. We've tried that, let's try something else
When I was younger I used to think that I couldn't make a true impact, so why bother? For example... I can't solve world hunger, so why would I donate canned goods to a drive? I have realized as I matured, it matters to the person that eats that can of food. If I can help one or two people, those people appreciate it. Or when school busses got flashing lights on top, I thought, that's dumb... if someone can't see a big yellow bus are they going to see this light? But what if that light prevents one accident? Saves one kids life? Then it's totally worth it!
I agree that stricter gun control is not going to solve this problem. But it's a start. If it prevents even just a few of these atrocities, then its worth it. We can't only do things that will completely fix a problem, otherwise we would do nothing.
I don't know. I've gone back and forth with this one. Growing up, my dad would hunt deer and he always ate them. I feel uneasy about it. I know he is good person and I am sure there are tons of other hunters who are good people. It's just the physical and mental capability of killing an animal - it sits all wrong in my heart.
The US has taken over so much of the land, that the deer have no place to go. Without hunters we would hit them with our cars more often, and their food sources have diminished, therefore the deer could potentially starve.
I personally could never shoot an animal, the idea of that makes me uneasy as well. But I place no judgment on hunters that use the meat. I do not think that the physical and mental capability of killing an animal is a reflection of the type of person someone is. I am thankful for farmers who raise animals that feed my family.
This just reminded me! I grew up near the world's largest (as in land area only) Air Force Base, so there is a lot of open range land in the area. They had "controlled hunts" once or twice a year to keep the deer population from getting out of control. One of those was reserved for people with severe disabilities who otherwise wouldn't be able to hunt. My dad and brother volunteered with that for years and it seemed like a really cool and empowering program.
Thinking about where the meat you eat comes from, respecting the fact that an animal died for you to eat it, etc. is really important to me. Pretending it doesn't come from animals to make oneself feel better really gets to me.
me too. I was trying to figure out how to respond to that
sunshineluv Where I grew up in PA, there was like a 3:1 ratio of deer to people per acre. But, a lot of people hunted and brought the population down during season. I'm am totally fine with hunting to provide for yourself. I know plenty of people who hunt their quota and don't buy beef products at all. I couldn't do it, but I understand. Sport hunting makes no sense to me.
What makes even less sense to me is how there's still so little outrage over the gun violence in this country. People can say all day how responsible gun owners aren't the ones doing the killing, and stricter gun control isn't the answer. But I will always say that doing nothing sure as he'll isn't the answer. We've tried that, let's try something else
When I was younger I used to think that I couldn't make a true impact, so why bother? For example... I can't solve world hunger, so why would I donate canned goods to a drive? I have realized as I matured, it matters to the person that eats that can of food. If I can help one or two people, those people appreciate it. Or when school busses got flashing lights on top, I thought, that's dumb... if someone can't see a big yellow bus are they going to see this light? But what if that light prevents one accident? Saves one kids life? Then it's totally worth it!
I agree that stricter gun control is not going to solve this problem. But it's a start. If it prevents even just a few of these atrocities, then its worth it. We can't only do things that will completely fix a problem, otherwise we would do nothing.
Yes. I know I've made at least one person more aware of racial issues from my relentless Facebook posts. That's one person who's more willing to consider and discuss issues. And that's just one person who's told me up front that my posts make her think. We have to keep talking about serious issues.
Post by orriskitten on Jul 30, 2015 16:36:58 GMT -5
This made me LOL and thought I'd leave it here.
The thing that has been bugging me so much lately is the posts I've seen of white people putting up articles about other white people shot by "thug" black men and "no one caring." A "thug" is not in a position of power and is not expected to protect people. A police officer killing ANYONE is disgusting, but the ongoing and growing numbers (or maybe not growing numbers, but now more explicitly stated numbers) of police killing non-white people is just beyond words.
I care that people are being killed, but it definitely feels like a case of someone running through a cancer fundraiser screaming "But people have eczema!"
This isn't really an UO, I don't think, but I need to talk to some people who are intelligent about these things other than DH.
When I was younger I used to think that I couldn't make a true impact, so why bother? For example... I can't solve world hunger, so why would I donate canned goods to a drive? I have realized as I matured, it matters to the person that eats that can of food. If I can help one or two people, those people appreciate it. Or when school busses got flashing lights on top, I thought, that's dumb... if someone can't see a big yellow bus are they going to see this light? But what if that light prevents one accident? Saves one kids life? Then it's totally worth it!
I agree that stricter gun control is not going to solve this problem. But it's a start. If it prevents even just a few of these atrocities, then its worth it. We can't only do things that will completely fix a problem, otherwise we would do nothing.
Yes. I know I've made at least one person more aware of racial issues from my relentless Facebook posts. That's one person who's more willing to consider and discuss issues. And that's just one person who's told me up front that my posts make her think. We have to keep talking about serious issues.
I absolutely agree. I just hate that someone's social media presence becomes the way many people determine someone's activism. Facebook is for my kid and my family. I might tweet social justice issues but mostly I tweet history and pedagogy. My time and my classroom and my charitable givings are aimed at social justice. I find them a more effective platform for me.
I've said this before but I have had friends pm me on Facebook because I'm not doing enough for a cause based on my social media presence. I think that is deplorable.
Yes. I know I've made at least one person more aware of racial issues from my relentless Facebook posts. That's one person who's more willing to consider and discuss issues. And that's just one person who's told me up front that my posts make her think. We have to keep talking about serious issues.
I absolutely agree. I just hate that someone's social media presence becomes the way many people determine someone's activism. Facebook is for my kid and my family. I might tweet social justice issues but mostly I tweet history and pedagogy. My time and my classroom and my charitable givings are aimed at social justice. I find them a more effective platform for me.
I've said this before but I have had friends pm me on Facebook because I'm not doing enough for a cause based on my social media presence. I think that is deplorable.
I think it's rude to measure someone's efforts based on one's own yardstick, especially when you only have a limited source. I don't do Twitter and haven't many other opportunities for social justice at the moment. Last year I talked to my kids a bit about some of the current events, but I waited for them to bring it up.
I think everybody wins when it comes to selling used clothes. The seller makes some money back and the buyer gets a deal!
There's supposedly a major oversupply of donated clothing so I feel zero guilt about not donating the expensive stuff.
This does help change my mind a bit.
There's a documentary on Netflix right now called "The True Cost." The whole thing is a sobering look at the negative effects of the fashion industry on the world. At one point, they show these huge mountains of clothes that were donated in the US but ended up in Haiti. (Less than 10% of donated clothes end up for sale at a thrift store. Read abcnews.go.com/WN/truth-donated-clothes-end/story?id=2743456 for more info on that statistic) Anyway, they show these clothes in Haiti that are all US castoffs. Now clothing makers in Haiti are out of jobs because they can't compete with free.
It's actually pretty interesting if you've got the time for it.
me too. I was trying to figure out how to respond to that
huh. I didn't think that was in anyway offensive.
I also have major food anxieties and have to "not think about it" a lot to eat out, etc.
Because it's that sort of thinking - detaching the food from the animal it came from - that allows the cruelty in factory farms to continue. Out of sight out of mind.
I know not everyone can afford humanely raised meat, but if enough people thought about where their food comes from and put pressure on the meat industry, conditions would improve. Or people would eat less meat, which would be better for the animals and the environment
I also like buying used stuff! So keep on selling, people!
I think everybody wins when it comes to selling used clothes. The seller makes some money back and the buyer gets a deal!
There's supposedly a major oversupply of donated clothing so I feel zero guilt about not donating the expensive stuff.
That's why I've started donating right to the shelter in town. Those for sure get used (we volunteer there sometimes).
The associated thrift store is very picky and totally rejected a full garbage bag of clean baby/toddler toys (not the little stuff, like an electronic drum and things like that). Probably b/c of over supply like Stella said. I don't think they really take clothes.
Thinking about where the meat you eat comes from, respecting the fact that an animal died for you to eat it, etc. is really important to me. Pretending it doesn't come from animals to make oneself feel better really gets to me.
I didn't take it in a bad way, which is why I liked it. I was under the impression she felt like me, that I feel bad for the animals. That they die so we can eat them, the respect is there trust me.
I tried to not eat meat for a while and slowly came back to eating meat, but purchasing humanely raised meat, dairy, etc and attempting to make my H more aware of what he buys.