New information on the daycare burn story

[sallywalker]

kfor.com/2015/07/31/police-get-warrant-for-ointment-used-on-vinita-boys-say-it-may-have-caused-blisters/

[ginger]

I don't know what to think now.

[speckledfrog]

Jul 31, 2015 8:09:45 GMT -5 superduper said:

Wait, wait, wait. Are they implying that the family may have somehow caused the severe burns/blistering? Like a Munchausen thing? Or maybe a "we're going to get insurance money from the daycare" kind of thing? Ugh. Either way, those poor boys.

The article states that they want to check and see if the blisters are an allergic reaction to the ointment.    

[knx9211]

Jul 31, 2015 7:58:44 GMT -5 TR said:

Police say the daycare requested that parents provide sunscreen for their children.

“None of the parents supplied the sunscreen,” Vinita police Chief Bobby Floyd told FOX23.

NONE of the parents supplied sunscreen? Then why the fuck would you take the kids out to a water park?

I'm here. Parents should have sent it, but when NONE DID, they should have canceled the fucking trip. 

[Deleted]

Jul 31, 2015 7:58:44 GMT -5 TR said:

Police say the daycare requested that parents provide sunscreen for their children.

“None of the parents supplied the sunscreen,” Vinita police Chief Bobby Floyd told FOX23.

NONE of the parents supplied sunscreen? Then why the fuck would you take the kids out to a water park?

This, sunscreen is relatively cheap. I know when my kids have run out, they daycare applies their own and moves on. I signed a waiver stating they could do this. It's not rocket science. If you don't have sunscreen provided by a parent or a waiver that you can apply your own in that circumstance, you DO NOT TAKE THE CHILD OUTSIDE.

[nursewife]

^o)

[ginger]

I have thoughts now.

The daycare should still be held accountable for burns and letting the kids play without sunscreen or shirts.

Those poor parents who probably got the ointment from one of the trips to the doctor/hospital. I can't even imagine the pain I would feel if I unknowingly made it so much worse.

There's no good outcome of this. those poor boys.

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Jul 31, 2015 8:22:05 GMT -5 kooshball said:

Jul 31, 2015 8:11:52 GMT -5 @absinthe said:

This, sunscreen is relatively cheap. I know when my kids have run out, they daycare applies their own and moves on. I signed a waiver stating they could do this. It's not rocket science. If you don't have sunscreen provided by a parent or a waiver that you can apply your own in that circumstance, you DO NOT TAKE THE CHILD OUTSIDE.

Sunscreen always seems expensive to me. Even yesterday I was shocked that walgreens had some sunscreen for 35 bucks. Even the 'cheap' sunscreen could be expensive if needed for more than one kid. 

Who buys $35 sunscreen? There are far less expensive sunscreens that can be bought in huge jugs and they work perfectly well. My daycare keeps it for when we run out or someone forgets to bring it in. They do not supply it on a daily basis, but if they did, I would expect to pay a bit more to cover that cost. There is a very easy solution here, no sunscreen, no outside. I get it from the parents' perspective. It's a pain in the ass to have to remember it but it's not like you're not doing it at home anyway. Forgetting to bring it one day is acceptable but just not bringing it at all especially on water park day?

I really hope this family didn't do something to cause these blisters. It's all very sad and was easily preventable.

Oh and ETA: I did buy some $9 Neutrogena for me the other day and thought it was pretty steep, but it's the only stuff I can put on my face. I guess if a $35 sunscreen was all I could use I would buy it because burns are far more expensive.

[Deleted]

We were always required to keep a "back up" sunscreen at daycare with our sons name on it. They kept them all in a huge tub and would reapply religiously and if one kid ran out they just used another kids. No big deal. I just can't believe the negligence on the part of the daycare. Applying sunscreen is part of being a caregiver.

If the family did something to cause the blisters then they are just as culpable as the daycare.

[ginger]

Jul 31, 2015 8:37:02 GMT -5 tarzanswife said:

We were always required to keep a "back up" sunscreen at daycare with our sons name on it. They kept them all in a huge tub and would reapply religiously and if one kid ran out they just used another kids. No big deal. I just can't believe the negligence on the part of the daycare. Applying sunscreen is part of being a caregiver.

If the family did something to cause the blisters then they are just as culpable as the daycare.

not if it were prescribed to them. I'm not letting myself think they would do this on purpose.

[sallywalker]

If it was a prescribed mediacation, I don't understand why they wouldn't turn it over. They would not be at fault.

[Deleted]

I'm having a real hard time with the statement that none of the parents brought sunscreen. Who told them this? The daycare? I just don't believe that out of all those kids, not one parent was able to remember to bring sunscreen.

[sallywalker]

Jul 31, 2015 8:46:39 GMT -5 @autiger said:

I'm having a real hard time with the statement that none of the parents brought sunscreen. Who told them this? The daycare? I just don't believe that out of all those kids, not one parent was able to remember to bring sunscreen.

And why there were just asked to bring it in the middle of the summer? We are required to bring ours around April. Then they ask for replacement bottles as needed.

[pumpkin]

I agree that if the kids didn't have sunscreen the trip should have been cancelled.

I hope the family didn't knowingly make it worse. However, I can see a parent putting a healing ointment on the sunburn in an attempt to make it better; but I was always taught not to put ointments which are often oil based on burns and the oil helps trap the heat in and will worsen the burn, which is what could have happened here?

[Deleted]

Jul 31, 2015 8:49:14 GMT -5 sallywalker said:

Jul 31, 2015 8:46:39 GMT -5 @autiger said:

I'm having a real hard time with the statement that none of the parents brought sunscreen. Who told them this? The daycare? I just don't believe that out of all those kids, not one parent was able to remember to bring sunscreen.

And why there were just asked to bring it in the middle of the summer? We are required to bring ours around April. Then they ask for replacement bottles as needed.

No kidding.  Our daycare doesn't ask us to bring sunscreen (they supply it), but our previous daycare requested it in the spring too, with our child's name on it.  It stayed in her cubby until she needed it.  

This story is making less sense than it was before.

[ginger]

Jul 31, 2015 8:50:37 GMT -5 TR said:

Jul 31, 2015 8:45:04 GMT -5 sallywalker said:

If it was a prescribed mediacation, I don't understand why they wouldn't turn it over. They would not be at fault.

I don't think it said that it was necessarily a prescribed medication. But I could have missed that.

it didn't say, but it's a possibility at this point.

I don't even think I would fault them if it were over the counter either as long as it was specifically for sun burns.

[sallywalker]

Jul 31, 2015 8:50:37 GMT -5 TR said:

Jul 31, 2015 8:45:04 GMT -5 sallywalker said:

If it was a prescribed mediacation, I don't understand why they wouldn't turn it over. They would not be at fault.

I don't think it said that it was necessarily a prescribed medication. But I could have missed that.

Didn't they receive ointment at their initial visit to the ER?

[snowflurry]

Jul 31, 2015 8:49:16 GMT -5 pumpkin said:

I agree that if the kids didn't have sunscreen the trip should have been cancelled.

I hope the family didn't knowingly make it worse. However, I can see a parent putting a healing ointment on the sunburn in an attempt to make it better; but I was always taught not to put ointments which are often oil based on burns and the oil helps trap the heat in and will worsen the burn, which is what could have happened here?

I was reading an article that said the aunt put a lotion on the burns after she applied aloe.  And she was the one refusing to turn over the lotion.  I wonder if it was petroleum based and she just got scared when the police started investigating.  I can't imagine anyone knowingly worsening burns on children. 

[ECB]

Jul 31, 2015 8:46:39 GMT -5 @autiger said:

I'm having a real hard time with the statement that none of the parents brought sunscreen. Who told them this? The daycare? I just don't believe that out of all those kids, not one parent was able to remember to bring sunscreen.

while this whole story is making less and less sense, the fact that this daycare has run into issues before, I kind of wonder if they don't ask for sunscreen and because of that, the parents assume they supply it, so the day they are asked to send some in, parents forget.

BUT even with that, ALL the parents forgot? 

So maybe the daycare didn't make this request at all??? 

Just making wild guesses here, obviously.  This whole story is weird.

[ginger]

Another article I found says it was lotion.

[Deleted]

It's suspicious that the family wouldn't turn over the ointment. Why would their lawyer advise them against it?

[pamela]

Our daycare has not requested sunscreen. Recess outside is half a covered pavilion. For water day they asked us to preapply and it was morning only.

[ginger]

Jul 31, 2015 8:56:13 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

Even if it wasn't specifically for sunburns, I don't fault them. Maybe if it clearly said not for burns, like in big letters on the front. They were probably just trying to make the kids feel better.

this is true too.

[pumpkin]

Jul 31, 2015 8:56:15 GMT -5 snowflurry said:

Jul 31, 2015 8:49:16 GMT -5 pumpkin said:

I agree that if the kids didn't have sunscreen the trip should have been cancelled.

I hope the family didn't knowingly make it worse. However, I can see a parent putting a healing ointment on the sunburn in an attempt to make it better; but I was always taught not to put ointments which are often oil based on burns and the oil helps trap the heat in and will worsen the burn, which is what could have happened here?

I was reading an article that said the aunt put a lotion on the burns after she applied aloe.  And she was the one refusing to turn over the lotion.  I wonder if it was petroleum based and she just got scared when the police started investigating.  I can't imagine anyone knowingly worsening burns on children. 

I totally agree that I can't imagine anyone knowing doing this

[Ohhmm(bligo)]

1- When I taught preschool, I had to get downright mean to make some of those dingleberries bring sunscreen.
2- No excuse. Because my sunscreen-less kids didn't go outside.

PS- Can I tell you that one parent got in a fight with me because her kid was black?? WTF? YOUR KID STILL NEEDS SUNSCREEN, STOP MAKING ME FEEL LIKE I'M THE STUPID ONE.

[ginger]

Another article, the mom quoted it was an aloe lotion at the advice of a pharmacist, but the article prior said the grandmother put lotion on top of the aloe.

Either way, I definitely don't think they made it worse on purpose.

[Deleted]

Jul 31, 2015 8:56:24 GMT -5 ECB said:

Jul 31, 2015 8:46:39 GMT -5 @autiger said:

I'm having a real hard time with the statement that none of the parents brought sunscreen. Who told them this? The daycare? I just don't believe that out of all those kids, not one parent was able to remember to bring sunscreen.

while this whole story is making less and less sense, the fact that this daycare has run into issues before, I kind of wonder if they don't ask for sunscreen and because of that, the parents assume they supply it, so the day they are asked to send some in, parents forget.

BUT even with that, ALL the parents forgot? 

So maybe the daycare didn't make this request at all??? 

Just making wild guesses here, obviously.  This whole story is weird.

That's the part I'm having the hardest time with - every single parent forgot sunscreen, knowing their kid was going to a waterpark?  I just don't believe that.

[readyin07]

Jul 31, 2015 8:22:05 GMT -5 kooshball said:

Jul 31, 2015 8:11:52 GMT -5 @absinthe said:

This, sunscreen is relatively cheap. I know when my kids have run out, they daycare applies their own and moves on. I signed a waiver stating they could do this. It's not rocket science. If you don't have sunscreen provided by a parent or a waiver that you can apply your own in that circumstance, you DO NOT TAKE THE CHILD OUTSIDE.

Sunscreen always seems expensive to me. Even yesterday I was shocked that walgreens had some sunscreen for 35 bucks. Even the 'cheap' sunscreen could be expensive if needed for more than one kid. 

I have nothing to add here but I find sunscreen to be pricey too. Even the basic stuff is $10-$12 a bottle. We live in Florida and in the summer we go through a bottle a week between two kids and me applying almost every day. But, still better than burned children

[lilafowler]

Ellie's preschool sent us reminders to please apply sunscreen when the weather got nicer-they said by law they're not allowed to apply it to the children. Is this because it was a school and not a daycare?

[my3boyz]

There's no way that none of the kids were wearing sunscreen and only these 2 from the same family got burned. I'm wondering if it means 'none of the parents in this household' provided sunscreen. There's definitely something interesting about the only 2 boys getting burned are brothers from the same household. I think there was an honest mistake made and culpability lies somewhere between the parties. If that daycare was just some negligent pos that didn't use sunscreen this would have happened much sooner than this, it's a month and a half into summer.