Have we talked about the PP videos yet?

[jeaniebueller]

Because I am not getting a lot of "everyone cares about Cecil the Lion, but nobody cares about the aborted baby parts that are being sold by evil PP!!!" sentiment from certain FB friends right now. Its making me ragey.

If you don't know the story, here is a link:

www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/politics/planned-parenthood-fourth-video/

[ESF]

I hate these assholes.

And I especially hate the political grandstanding over what is obviously bullshit propaganda. These are women's lives we are talking about here.

[josieposy]

I dunno if I have the strength. LOL!

[NewOrleans]

Yes

pandce.proboards.com/thread/462020/video-official-discussing-organs-research

pandce.proboards.com/thread/462605/who-perfect-response-organ-nonsense

[cap]

I have a few FB friends who are posting the same sort of stuff. One is a devout Catholic and the other two are hard-core Southern Baptist.

At any rate, I don't doubt that the tone of the woman in the video could be construed as callous. Even though I'm firmly pro-abortion, I'd have to get myself in the right headspace to think/talk about using fetal organs, if that makes any sense, so if I were to talk about something like that, I might sound callous as well. I also think the people at that center are just plain awful, and have done a whole lot of editing on the video to make it look the way they wanted to, and very likely asked carefully crafted questions to "prove" their point.

[jeaniebueller]

Jul 31, 2015 9:45:05 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Yes

pandce.proboards.com/thread/462020/video-official-discussing-organs-research

pandce.proboards.com/thread/462605/who-perfect-response-organ-nonsense

Thank you! I figured we had to have discussed it somewhere.

[marriedfilingjoint]

Jul 31, 2015 9:51:24 GMT -5 cap said:

I have a few FB friends who are posting the same sort of stuff. One is a devout Catholic and the other two are hard-core Southern Baptist.

Yes, the Southern Baptists are in full rare form on my newsfeed, too.  One of them started her post with "I haven't fact-checked this yet . . . "  LOLZ no shit. 

[marriedfilingjoint]

I love the irony of this group's name: The Center for Medical Progress. Yeah, ok.

[fuckyourcouch]

Yeah, as I posted yesterday, these crazies are outdoing the outspoken vegans on my feed (luckily not my friends, just friends of friends and news article comments and such)

[heyjude]

I haven't been following this story at all. I don't understand the issue at all. Is "the issue" that PP gets consent from the patient to use the aborted fetal tissue for medical research? And that is bad because.....? We don't like medical research and advancement in Merica? I don't understand the outrage. Is it just because we are talking about shmashortions?

Is there a tell me like I'm 5 background paper on this?

[eponinepontmercy]

Jul 31, 2015 11:01:46 GMT -5 heyjude said:

I haven't been following this story at all. I don't understand the issue at all. Is "the issue" that PP gets consent from the patient to use the aborted fetal tissue for medical research? And that is bad because.....? We don't like medical research and advancement in Merica? I don't understand the outrage. Is it just because we are talking about shmashortions?

Is there a tell me like I'm 5 background paper on this?

PP gets reimbursed from the lab when they facilitate fetal tissue donation.  According to the whackjob I argued with, that means that they are changing their procedures to care more about making money from tiny baby organs than the safety and health of the women having the abortion.

[heyjude]

Jul 31, 2015 11:05:05 GMT -5 eponinepontmercy said:

Jul 31, 2015 11:01:46 GMT -5 heyjude said:

I haven't been following this story at all. I don't understand the issue at all. Is "the issue" that PP gets consent from the patient to use the aborted fetal tissue for medical research? And that is bad because.....? We don't like medical research and advancement in Merica? I don't understand the outrage. Is it just because we are talking about shmashortions?

Is there a tell me like I'm 5 background paper on this?

PP gets reimbursed from the lab when they facilitate fetal tissue donation.  According to the whackjob I argued with, that means that they are changing their procedures to care more about making money from tiny baby organs than the safety and health of the women having the abortion.

But they have the patients consent or no? And the fetal tissue is being used for important medical research? Or is it being sold to Satanists?

[just]

From: skepchick.org/2015/07/planned-parenthood-is-not-selling-baby-parts-you-fucking-idiots/

And bonus gif:
 

[heyjude]

With the level of vitriol over this I have been lead to believe that PP is forcing girls to abort babies so they can conduct pagan rituals at gay weddings of Taliban leaders with the aborted fetuses. Is that not the case?

[ESF]

Jul 31, 2015 11:01:46 GMT -5 heyjude said:

I haven't been following this story at all. I don't understand the issue at all. Is "the issue" that PP gets consent from the patient to use the aborted fetal tissue for medical research? And that is bad because.....? We don't like medical research and advancement in Merica? I don't understand the outrage. Is it just because we are talking about shmashortions?

Is there a tell me like I'm 5 background paper on this?

Yes. Nobody is following these "videos" to their logical conclusions.  Nobody is thinking about things like medical research and consent.  There is no reason or rational thinking. It's just a bunch of brainwashed idiots falling for the sensationalized, delusional nonsense of 26 year old with an iPhone and a video editing ap.    It's just another manufactured opportunity for every piece of shit with a microphone and an ignorant voting base to grandstand until every poor woman in this country is denied a pap smear.  

In other words, it's a Friday in America.

[NewOrleans]

I believe PP is getting an injunction to prevent this group from making further videos.

There was also this web showing how the makers of the video are linked to abortion provider violence and other extremists.

[epphd]

I have not worked with human tissue but I have worked a metric assload of mice parts. And the first time I euthanized a mouse for research I *cried*. A lot. Which is good - it meant that I cared about the organisms we were rearing and caring for and ultimately sacrificing for research. But I also cared a LOT about the research we were doing and the potential good that would come of it. So, after many many many mice I became somewhat steeled to the reality of killing animals. And I talked about them in body parts - E15 (embryonic day) livers. E13 diaphragms. Etc.

That can in some part at least explain how people talk about tissue like a commodity. As for being paid for parts - sure, labs that use human tissue will reimburse for the cost of processing that tissue, keeping it intact and preserved from degradation (either by using chemicals or flash freezing it) and then shipping. Does anyone know how much it costs to ship something on dry ice? A TON. So, yeah. Without that compensation, those tissues go in the garbage.

[heyjude]

Jul 31, 2015 11:54:29 GMT -5 epphd said:

I have not worked with human tissue but I have worked a metric assload of mice parts. And the first time I euthanized a mouse for research I *cried*. A lot. Which is good - it meant that I cared about the organisms we were rearing and caring for and ultimately sacrificing for research. But I also cared a LOT about the research we were doing and the potential good that would come of it. So, after many many many mice I became somewhat steeled to the reality of killing animals. And I talked about them in body parts - E15 (embryonic day) livers. E13 diaphragms. Etc.

That can in some part at least explain how people talk about tissue like a commodity. As for being paid for parts - sure, labs that use human tissue will reimburse for the cost of processing that tissue, keeping it intact and preserved from degradation (either by using chemicals or flash freezing it) and then shipping. Does anyone know how much it costs to ship something on dry ice? A TON. So, yeah. Without that compensation, those tissues go in the garbage.

I was thinking here PP isn't making profit. Just being reimbursed for cost of the tissue transport/storage process.

[AJL]

"Just a ridiculous waste of everybody's time...and baby's." That made me chuckle.

But yeah, she's right!

[pamela]

Jul 31, 2015 11:01:46 GMT -5 heyjude said:

I haven't been following this story at all. I don't understand the issue at all. Is "the issue" that PP gets consent from the patient to use the aborted fetal tissue for medical research? And that is bad because.....? We don't like medical research and advancement in Merica? I don't understand the outrage. Is it just because we are talking about shmashortions?

Is there a tell me like I'm 5 background paper on this?

Another part of the issue is whether they adjust their medical procedure to better harvest the organs rather than just for the benefit of the woman.

[ESF]

Jul 31, 2015 11:29:04 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

I believe PP is getting an injunction to prevent this group from making further videos.

There was also this web showing how the makers of the video are linked to abortion provider violence and other extremists.

Yes, they got a temporary restraining order a few days ago preventing the release of a certain video.    There is a hearing in a few weeks to determine whether to convert it to a preliminary injunction.  I imagine PP will prevail.  The entire thing is such bullshit.

[epphd]

Jul 31, 2015 13:00:47 GMT -5 pamela said:

Jul 31, 2015 11:01:46 GMT -5 heyjude said:

I haven't been following this story at all. I don't understand the issue at all. Is "the issue" that PP gets consent from the patient to use the aborted fetal tissue for medical research? And that is bad because.....? We don't like medical research and advancement in Merica? I don't understand the outrage. Is it just because we are talking about shmashortions?

Is there a tell me like I'm 5 background paper on this?

Another part of the issue is whether they adjust their medical procedure to better harvest the organs rather than just for the benefit of the woman.

Admittedly, I don't know the details of the various ways to do the medical procedure. But intuitively, I don't see how this is "a thing." Most abortions are D&Cs; do isolate a specific organ one would literally do that dissection after the fact. So there should be no difference - fetus is out and dissected, or fetus is out and discarded. I feel like this is bullshit line but I haven't seen the videos. Also, if the patient agrees to donate tissue - and (let's say) to most effectively get intact tissue a physician does a D&E versus a D&C (I actually have no idea if this is something that happens) - if the patient consents then the patient consents. So... ??

[epphd]

Jul 31, 2015 13:00:47 GMT -5 pamela said:

Jul 31, 2015 11:01:46 GMT -5 heyjude said:

I haven't been following this story at all. I don't understand the issue at all. Is "the issue" that PP gets consent from the patient to use the aborted fetal tissue for medical research? And that is bad because.....? We don't like medical research and advancement in Merica? I don't understand the outrage. Is it just because we are talking about shmashortions?

Is there a tell me like I'm 5 background paper on this?

Another part of the issue is whether they adjust their medical procedure to better harvest the organs rather than just for the benefit of the woman.

Also (not directed at pamela, but the assertion), fuck them and their "for the benefit of the woman." That is some bullshit right there.

[emilyj]

The way a couple people on my feed have been carrying on, it sounds like PP is stealing pregnant women, chaining them to a dungeon, and recklessly aborting babies to sell on the black market. And then #CHOOSELIFE (which hello, is still a fucking CHOICE).

I miss the days of people being rational and logical.

[msmerymac]

People are STUPID is the issue.

I have seen approximately 8000 people on FB claim that PP is auctioning off aborted fetal organs and body parts for profit, and/or that they are performing late terms abortions specifically to make money on body parts.

PP is actually donating the fetal tissue, with the consent of their patients, to be used for medical research, kind of like stem cells. They get reimbursed $30-$100 per tissue specimen, which is the bare minimum the shipping and processing costs, and actually probably less. You can't harvest fetal organs, because most aren't developed, nor does PP perform late-term abortions period.

I just want to shake everyone who posts this crap. Use your damn brain, people!

Unfortunately, PP has had to hire a top level PR agency to help clean up this mess. Fortunately, their donations have really increased.

[decemberwedding07]

Jul 31, 2015 13:00:47 GMT -5 pamela said:

Jul 31, 2015 11:01:46 GMT -5 heyjude said:

I haven't been following this story at all. I don't understand the issue at all. Is "the issue" that PP gets consent from the patient to use the aborted fetal tissue for medical research? And that is bad because.....? We don't like medical research and advancement in Merica? I don't understand the outrage. Is it just because we are talking about shmashortions?

Is there a tell me like I'm 5 background paper on this?

Another part of the issue is whether they adjust their medical procedure to better harvest the organs rather than just for the benefit of the woman.

See, but to me the question would be is that explained to the woman who says she wants the tissue to be donated? If so, I don't understand what the issue is. 

[decemberwedding07]

Jul 31, 2015 13:10:32 GMT -5 epphd said:

Jul 31, 2015 13:00:47 GMT -5 pamela said:

Another part of the issue is whether they adjust their medical procedure to better harvest the organs rather than just for the benefit of the woman.

Also (not directed at pamela, but the assertion), fuck them and their "for the benefit of the woman." That is some bullshit right there.

It's incredibly similar to the BS used to close down all of those abortion clinics in TX by requiring that they meet the same standards as surgical centers (hallways of certain widths, doctors having visiting rights at hospitals within x number of miles, etc.). They don't give one flying shit about those women. 

[kadams767]

Jul 31, 2015 13:23:15 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

People are STUPID is the issue.

I have seen approximately 8000 people on FB claim that PP is auctioning off aborted fetal organs and body parts for profit, and/or that they are performing late terms abortions specifically to make money on body parts.

PP is actually donating the fetal tissue, with the consent of their patients, to be used for medical research, kind of like stem cells. They get reimbursed $30-$100 per tissue specimen, which is the bare minimum the shipping and processing costs, and actually probably less. You can't harvest fetal organs, because most aren't developed, nor does PP perform late-term abortions period.

I just want to shake everyone who posts this crap. Use your damn brain, people!

Unfortunately, PP has had to hire a top level PR agency to help clean up this mess. Fortunately, their donations have really increased.

Because the black market for aborted fetus parts is so lucrative.  You'd think if they were really into harvesting organs for profit, they'd at least go for the good stuff like adult kidneys and such.  JFC.  I hate everyone today.

[mcsangel2]

Jul 31, 2015 13:23:15 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

People are STUPID is the issue.

I have seen approximately 8000 people on FB claim that PP is auctioning off aborted fetal organs and body parts for profit, and/or that they are performing late terms abortions specifically to make money on body parts.

PP is actually donating the fetal tissue, with the consent of their patients, to be used for medical research, kind of like stem cells. They get reimbursed $30-$100 per tissue specimen, which is the bare minimum the shipping and processing costs, and actually probably less. You can't harvest fetal organs, because most aren't developed, nor does PP perform late-term abortions period.

I just want to shake everyone who posts this crap. Use your damn brain, people!

Unfortunately, PP has had to hire a top level PR agency to help clean up this mess. Fortunately, their donations have really increased.

Time to go make a special donation!

[eponinepontmercy]

Jul 31, 2015 14:41:01 GMT -5 kadams767 said:

Jul 31, 2015 13:23:15 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

People are STUPID is the issue.

I have seen approximately 8000 people on FB claim that PP is auctioning off aborted fetal organs and body parts for profit, and/or that they are performing late terms abortions specifically to make money on body parts.

PP is actually donating the fetal tissue, with the consent of their patients, to be used for medical research, kind of like stem cells. They get reimbursed $30-$100 per tissue specimen, which is the bare minimum the shipping and processing costs, and actually probably less. You can't harvest fetal organs, because most aren't developed, nor does PP perform late-term abortions period.

I just want to shake everyone who posts this crap. Use your damn brain, people!

Unfortunately, PP has had to hire a top level PR agency to help clean up this mess. Fortunately, their donations have really increased.

Because the black market for aborted fetus parts is so lucrative.  You'd think if they were really into harvesting organs for profit, they'd at least go for the good stuff like adult kidneys and such.  JFC.  I hate everyone today.

Well, the black market for fetal organs is pretty lucrative, what with all the atheists, feminists, and liberals that use them for ceremonial purposes.