This is outrageous. I expected most OBs would perform D&Es. How compassionless to abandon a patient when they need care.
Just FYI it's not necessarily the OBs personal objection to a D&E. It depends on where they work, their malpractice insurance, etc. Unfortunately it can be political and not personal and out of the OBs hands.
ETA: also doctors aren't abandoning patients if they won't/can't perform the procedure. They will follow the proper protocols for transfer of care. If they don't then they are at risk for termination, losing their license, etc.
Post by HoneySpider on Aug 1, 2015 18:25:19 GMT -5
I was 20 weeks and there were no doctors in my city that would do it at that point, we had to go 4.5 hours to Houston. It was a 3 day procedure and being away from home for that time was just extra salt in the wound.
I honestly don't remember if we were given the option to induce labor vs the D&E because I knew for sure I wanted the surgery.
Post by badtzmaru22 on Aug 1, 2015 19:28:49 GMT -5
OMG, pro-lifers, read this fucking thread and come and tell me you'll still vote for fuck face politicians who want to get rid of abortions/later term "abortions"/TFMR COME AT ME, BRO.
Another question that I hope isnt taken the wrong way. Do you have a choice of D and E vs an induction of labour? I'm kind of assuming so and that some choose D and E because labouring while knowing the outcome isnt a baby you take home is horribly emotional.
I'm so sorry for everyone who has gone through this.
I did not under any circumstances want to be on a floor with happy deliveries (which would have happened).
Omg I can't imagine asking a patient to do this. I'm glad you had options. Makes me so upset reading all of this. Many many hugs to you konapoppy and all who've dealt with this.
I did not under any circumstances want to be on a floor with happy deliveries (which would have happened).
Omg I can't imagine asking a patient to do this. I'm glad you had options. Makes met reading all of this. Many many hugs to you konapoppy and all who've dealt with this.
Unfortunately, depending on your state, there is no choice in the matter.
I wanted to be knocked the hell out and away from the happy families. Thankfully, the State of New York allowed me to have the experience I "wanted." Had everything happened 3 weeks later though, I would have had no choice and would have had to deliver in L&D. But even at 21 weeks in many other states, I would have had no choice but to go to L&D and be induced.
This is outrageous. I expected most OBs would perform D&Es. How compassionless to abandon a patient when they need care.
Just FYI it's not necessarily the OBs personal objection to a D&E. It depends on where they work, their malpractice insurance, etc. Unfortunately it can be political and not personal and out of the OBs hands.
ETA: also doctors aren't abandoning patients if they won't/can't perform the procedure. They will follow the proper protocols for transfer of care. If they don't then they are at risk for termination, losing their license, etc.
My OB's office does not perform D&Es. Another reason other than mentioned above, is the safety risk to them and patients. They refer them to a local huge hospital that has armed guards and escorts to take you in and out of the "family planning" clinic.
I'm sorry to everyone in here sharing their heartbreaking personal stories.
Protestors can be crazy against doctors and patients in regards to abortions, regardless of whether they're elective or not. Although an extreme example, Dr. Tiller for example was shot twice before he was eventually assassinated.
Just FYI it's not necessarily the OBs personal objection to a D&E. It depends on where they work, their malpractice insurance, etc. Unfortunately it can be political and not personal and out of the OBs hands.
ETA: also doctors aren't abandoning patients if they won't/can't perform the procedure. They will follow the proper protocols for transfer of care. If they don't then they are at risk for termination, losing their license, etc.
My OB's office does not perform D&Es. Another reason other than mentioned above, is the safety risk to them and patients. They refer them to a local huge hospital that has armed guards and escorts to take you in and out of the "family planning" clinic.
I'm sorry to everyone in here sharing their heartbreaking personal stories.
There should be more outrage over this. Why the hell are we letting some right wing wack jobs railroad the system? Why when a woman is at her most fragile do we expose her to these assholes? Argh! (Not annoyed at anyone who posted, just the system, and of course I had already realized this, but this thread is making me ragey).
I know the doctors who delivered DS will do terminations in the hospital or their offices up to 24 weeks for such situations.
One of my friends whose husband is an ob/gyn says where I live this breaks down along religious lines. She claims the practices started by Jewish doctors are more likely to offer a full range of services.
Oh, of course. I read it as a risky procedure, which it's not. (Forgive my MOTN brain. Exhausted.)
A D&E is considered a routine procedure, but it is not without risk. It is surgery after all. I had complications and ended up in the ICU for a night after my procedure.
My OB's office does not perform D&Es. Another reason other than mentioned above, is the safety risk to them and patients. They refer them to a local huge hospital that has armed guards and escorts to take you in and out of the "family planning" clinic.
I'm sorry to everyone in here sharing their heartbreaking personal stories.
There should be more outrage over this. Why the hell are we letting some right wing wack jobs railroad the system? Why when a woman is at her most fragile do we expose her to these assholes? Argh! (Not annoyed at anyone who posted, just the system, and of course I had already realized this, but this thread is making me ragey).
There should be, absolutely. Unfortunately today's political climate is a fucking travesty. GBCN is not like real life in terms of people understanding the reality of abortion and why there shouldn't be ridiculous restrictions in place.
Oh, of course. I read it as a risky procedure, which it's not. (Forgive my MOTN brain. Exhausted.)
A D&E is considered a routine procedure, but it is not without risk. It is surgery after all. I had complications and ended up in the ICU for a night after my procedure.
I'm well aware; I had one myself. But all surgeries have an element of risk. A D&E is not significantly more risky, as opponents often claim.
And I'm sorry to hear about your experience. That must have been awful on top of an already difficult situation.
Protestors can be crazy against doctors and patients in regards to abortions, regardless of whether they're elective or not. Although an extreme example, Dr. Tiller for example was shot twice before he was eventually assassinated.
I just can't let this go without saying how incredibly grateful I am to the doctors, nurses and staff who do these procedures despite the risks to them and their families. And with great kindness and compassion. *poof*
For everyone who is (justifiably) outraged, I recommend considering donating to Planned Parenthood or other pro-choice groups. They fight the good fight for all women and men, many of whom don't have the financial ability to stand up for their right to choose to fight the pro-lifers.
Protestors can be crazy against doctors and patients in regards to abortions, regardless of whether they're elective or not. Although an extreme example, Dr. Tiller for example was shot twice before he was eventually assassinated.
I just can't let this go without saying how incredibly grateful I am to the doctors, nurses and staff who do these procedures despite the risks to them and their families. And with great kindness and compassion (in my case at least).
The place I went had bullet proof glass and tight security. It was one of the worst days of my life obviously and I was terrified that there'd be protestors or something. Fortunately we didn't see anything like that at all.
I had my procedure (not for the baby's health, but my own and other reasons) three weeks ago. I could not stop crying or thanking the staff. It was done at the family planning clinic but I have donated to PP in the past but will make it a more regular donation now.
For everyone who is (justifiably) outraged, I recommend considering donating to Planned Parenthood or other pro-choice groups. They fight the good fight for all women and men, many of whom don't have the financial ability to stand up for their right to choose to fight the pro-lifers.
We already do, but I am at the point where I am beginning to think it isn't enough.
Another question that I hope isnt taken the wrong way. Do you have a choice of D and E vs an induction of labour? I'm kind of assuming so and that some choose D and E because labouring while knowing the outcome isnt a baby you take home is horribly emotional.
I'm so sorry for everyone who has gone through this.
I did not have a choice. I'm in the UK, so I can't answer about OBs vs specialists (I had everything done by a specialist in the hospital, as midwives do not perform amnios or terminations). I was 24 weeks when I received the diagnosis. They hadn't found anything wrong at the NT scan, but something showed up on the 20w, and by the time I had a second scan, the amnio, and received the results, I was too far along for a D&E.
I did not give birth to a live baby. They performed a termination beforehand where I had an injection to stop my baby's heart. I was then given a pill to prepare my body for labour, and told to come back in 2 days for my induction. All of this, plus the labour, was incredibly difficult emotionally. However, I did not want my baby born alive only to suffer and die shortly, so it was the best decision for me (and was the recommended termination procedure for someone as far along as I was). In the UK you can terminate up to 24 weeks, and even after depending on the diagnosis and the circumstances though it's rare to see terminations after 24 weeks.
When I went to my OB to get the results of my genetic blood test when I found out Wesley had down syndrome she said that if I chose to terminate she would refer me to another Dr. I was in a daze and knew I wasn't going that route, so I didn't ask any questions, but I don't think it was a personal/ethical decision on her part.