11 yr old gives birth in Paraguay

[alleinesein]

Backstory

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/04/paraguay-raped-10-year-old-must-be-allowed-an-abortion/ www.globalpost.com/article/6546435/2015/05/12/paraguay-says-10-year-old-rape-victim-shouldnt-have-abortion

www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/11-year-old-gives-birth-to-girl-in-paraguay/2015/08/13/3a7996e4-41ee-11e5-9f53-d1e3ddfd0cda_story.html?tid=sm_tw


ASUNCION, Paraguay — An 11-year-old girl who was denied an abortion after being raped gave birth Thursday, the culmination of a case that put a spotlight on child rape in this poor South American nation and drew criticism from human rights groups.

Elizabeth Torales, a lawyer for the girl’s mother, told The Associated Press that the minor gave birth to a baby girl via cesarean in a Red Cross hospital in Asuncion, Paraguay’s capital. She said reported there were no complications and both the mother and baby were resting.

“The baby doesn’t yet have a name,” said Torales, who added that her client and the girl’s grandmother had requested custody of the infant.

Hospital director Mario Villalba told reporters outside the hospital that the birth took about 35 minutes. She said the girl would remain in the hospital for three or four days, “like any other patient who has had a cesarean.” She said the minor was currently accompanied by her grandmother, but declined to give more details.

The girl was allegedly raped and impregnated by her stepfather when she was 10. The stepfather has been arrested and is awaiting trial. The girl’s mother has been charged with negligence.

The mother requested an abortion for her daughter, but the government refused to allow it, drawing praise from religious groups but criticism from many human rights organizations, including U.N. officials. Paraguay bans abortion except when a mother’s life is in danger. At the time, the girl was five months pregnant and local health officials said she appeared to be in fine health.

In a statement Thursday, Amnesty International said it was glad the girl came through the birth all right, but said the fact that “she did not die does not excuse the human rights violations she suffered at the hands of the Paraguayan authorities.”

While the case did spark some discussion about abortion in deeply socially conservative Paraguay, the focus of several protests was on better protecting children from abuse.

About 600 girls age 14 or under become pregnant each year in this country of 6.8 million people, according to local health statistics. Many people have called for stiffer penalties for abusers and the funding of education programs to help parents and authorities better spot signs of abuse.

Norma Benitez, spokeswoman for the Latin American Women’s Commission, said her group would now push the government to provide a safe environment for the girl that includes both her mother and grandmother.

“The Paraguayan state must fulfil its role of protecting children by providing a home and a dignified life” for this family, she said.

The Roman Catholic Church has wide influence in the country and was at the forefront of calls not to allow an abortion. Mariano Mercado, spokesman for the Paraguayan Episcopal Conference, reaffirmed the church’s position Thursday but didn’t talk about the girl’s case.

“Human life is sacred and should be respected and protected from the moment of conception until death,” he said.

Carlos Gilizzola, a physician who holds a seat in the Senate, said he that for four years he has been pushing legislation to increase sex education funding.

“The majority of Christian churches, led by the Catholic Church, campaigned in 2012 to make sure the bill wasn’t even taken up in committee,” he said.

In July, Pope Francis spent three days in Paraguay. He met with officials, toured a slum outside Asuncion and celebrated two Masses. While activists had hoped to bring up the case of the pregnant girl, Francis did not speak about it or focus on abortion in any of his speeches.

[aurora]

So mom let her husband rape her 10-year-old daughter and now thinks she's an ideal candidate to have custody of baby girl?

[aurora]

And also...this poor 10-year-old certainly hasn't been treated as though *her* life is sacred.

[zoegirltx]

About 600 girls age 14 or under become pregnant each year in this country

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This is horrifying. I know we beat up on men a lot, but it's such a widespread global thing to take advantage of women, of all ages, across all cultures. I hate humanity for today now....

[NewOrleans]

They are so fucking sick. It is surreal how fucking sick they are.

[soxin2]

Aug 14, 2015 8:43:59 GMT -5 aurora said:

So mom let her husband rape her 10-year-old daughter and now thinks she's an ideal candidate to have custody of baby girl?

I read that as the 11yo's grandmother.

But the relationships got a bit confusing.

[ttt]

Aug 14, 2015 11:17:27 GMT -5 soxin2 said:

Aug 14, 2015 8:43:59 GMT -5 aurora said:

So mom let her husband rape her 10-year-old daughter and now thinks she's an ideal candidate to have custody of baby girl?

I read that as the 11yo's grandmother.

But the relationships got a bit confusing.

It's both the grandmother and the mother. 

There's nothing about this that isn't horrifying and appalling. 

[ttt]

Aug 14, 2015 2:20:44 GMT -5 alleinesein said:

In July, Pope Francis spent three days in Paraguay. He met with officials, toured a slum outside Asuncion and celebrated two Masses. While activists had hoped to bring up the case of the pregnant girl, Francis did not speak about it or focus on abortion in any of his speeches.

Way to take a principled stand there...

[penguingrrl]

Ugh, how horrible. That poor girl.

And I'm a little disgusted that the mother is being charged with negligence for leaving her daughter with her husband. Obviously there may be a lot more that isn't being shared and I reserve the right to change my mind if more comes out that shows mom was negligent. But child molesters are often very smooth and great at manipulating situations. If step dad had been around for most of this kid's life and mom left them together I don't think that's negligent. If the kid spoke up and told her she was being abused and was still left with him then that's a whole different story.

[heyjude]

Aug 14, 2015 8:43:59 GMT -5 aurora said:

So mom let her husband rape her 10-year-old daughter and now thinks she's an ideal candidate to have custody of baby girl?

Where in the story did it say this?

[ttt]

Aug 14, 2015 11:53:39 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Aug 14, 2015 8:43:59 GMT -5 aurora said:

So mom let her husband rape her 10-year-old daughter and now thinks she's an ideal candidate to have custody of baby girl?

Where in the story did it say this?

Aug 14, 2015 2:20:44 GMT -5 alleinesein said:

Elizabeth Torales, a lawyer for the girl’s mother, told The Associated Press that the minor gave birth to a baby girl via cesarean in a Red Cross hospital in Asuncion, Paraguay’s capital. She said reported there were no complications and both the mother and baby were resting.

“The baby doesn’t yet have a name,” said Torales, who added that her client and the girl’s grandmother had requested custody of the infant.


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The girl was allegedly raped and impregnated by her stepfather when she was 10. The stepfather has been arrested and is awaiting trial. The girl’s mother has been charged with negligence.

[ESF]

This story makes me physically ill.

That poor child. I am disgusted by the people who are too blinded by their own ideology to have some compassion.

[NewOrleans]

Aug 14, 2015 11:37:43 GMT -5 @bunnybean said:

My god. I am guessing she had the c-section because her body is TOO SMALL and underdeveloped for vaginal birth? Jesus Christ. I am absolutely sickened thinking that not only did she have to continue with a pregnancy, but that she had to have surgery because of it. There is nothing that isn't evil and wrong about making an 11-year-old birth a baby.

Yes.  Do you remember the child raped in Brazil a few years ago? Her parents got her an abortion because doctors believed her life was in danger trying to give birth because she was so small. The church said she could have had a c section and excommunicated her parents.  

Think about this: the Paraguay govt literally forced major surgery on a child here.  And consigned her to whatever resulting complications and future sections she may require later.  Not even a child isn't as innocent as a fetus, I guess!

Fun fact: rapist was not excommunicated!

[heyjude]

Aug 14, 2015 12:14:17 GMT -5 ttt said:

Aug 14, 2015 11:53:39 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Where in the story did it say this?

Aug 14, 2015 2:20:44 GMT -5 alleinesein said:

Elizabeth Torales, a lawyer for the girl’s mother, told The Associated Press that the minor gave birth to a baby girl via cesarean in a Red Cross hospital in Asuncion, Paraguay’s capital. She said reported there were no complications and both the mother and baby were resting.

“The baby doesn’t yet have a name,” said Torales, who added that her client and the girl’s grandmother had requested custody of the infant.


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The girl was allegedly raped and impregnated by her stepfather when she was 10. The stepfather has been arrested and is awaiting trial. The girl’s mother has been charged with negligence.

No no. Where does it say the mother let the stepfather rape the girl?

[ttt]

Aug 14, 2015 12:22:58 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Aug 14, 2015 12:14:17 GMT -5 ttt said:

No no. Where does it say the mother let the stepfather rape the girl?

I'm presuming from the charge of negligence, she knew it was happening and did nothing to stop it. Obviously it is hard to know exactly what happened without more facts. 

[ttt]

Jesus Christ this girl weighs 75 pounds.

news.yahoo.com/paraguay-captures-man-allegedly-impregnated-stepdaughter-194639425.html

[ttt]

This article is in Spanish but the gist is that every year in Paraguay, there are nearly 700 girls under 14 who were pregnant last year - 28 of them died in childbirth and 14 died from (illegal) abortions.

www.infobae.com/2015/04/30/1725748-mas-680-ninas-madre-dieron-luz-paraguay-2014

Culture of life! Way to go, Catholic Church! 

[heyjude]

Aug 14, 2015 12:24:42 GMT -5 ttt said:

Aug 14, 2015 12:22:58 GMT -5 heyjude said:

No no. Where does it say the mother let the stepfather rape the girl?

I'm presuming from the charge of negligence, she knew it was happening and did nothing to stop it. Obviously it is hard to know exactly what happened without more facts. 

See my thinking was the charge was just a patriarchal response by this clearly patriarchal society unless there were some other facts in the story to suggest otherwise (which I didn't see when I skimmed so that's why I asked).

[marriedfilingjoint]

Aug 14, 2015 12:26:11 GMT -5 ttt said:

Jesus Christ this girl weighs 75 pounds.

news.yahoo.com/paraguay-captures-man-allegedly-impregnated-stepdaughter-194639425.html

And step-father's response?

 "I will do any (paternity) test to show it wasn't me," he said, adding: "I've been with tons of women, and I never got anybody pregnant."

Not "I didn't rape a child," just "the baby isn't mine." 

[ttt]

Aug 14, 2015 12:34:22 GMT -5 marriedfilingjoint said:

Aug 14, 2015 12:26:11 GMT -5 ttt said:

Jesus Christ this girl weighs 75 pounds.

news.yahoo.com/paraguay-captures-man-allegedly-impregnated-stepdaughter-194639425.html

And step-father's response?

 "I will do any (paternity) test to show it wasn't me," he said, adding: "I've been with tons of women, and I never got anybody pregnant."

Not "I didn't rape a child," just "the baby isn't mine." 

He can go straight to Hell, as can every single person involved in causing this child more agony -- and that includes the Church and their fucked up beliefs and insistence on forcing those beliefs on everyone. 

[aurora]

Aug 14, 2015 12:22:58 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Aug 14, 2015 12:14:17 GMT -5 ttt said:

No no. Where does it say the mother let the stepfather rape the girl?

Fair question - I was basing my accusation on the negligence charge, but you're right that that may not be correct.

[downtoearth]

Aug 14, 2015 8:46:50 GMT -5 zoegirltx said:

About 600 girls age 14 or under become pregnant each year in this country

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This is horrifying. I know we beat up on men a lot, but it's such a widespread global thing to take advantage of women, of all ages, across all cultures. I hate humanity for today now....

This makes me want to cry.

[downtoearth]

Can I also be petty and ask what that huge knot is on the stepfather's head in marriedfilingjoint's linked article?!

[ttt]

Aug 14, 2015 13:38:31 GMT -5 downtoearth said:

Can I also be petty and ask what that huge knot is on the stepfather's head in marriedfilingjoint's linked article?!

I'm hoping it's from the severe beating he received when the police finally caught him.

[NewOrleans]

Aug 14, 2015 12:29:55 GMT -5 ttt said:

This article is in Spanish but the gist is that every year in Paraguay, there are nearly 700 girls under 14 who were pregnant last year - 28 of them died in childbirth and 14 died from (illegal) abortions.

www.infobae.com/2015/04/30/1725748-mas-680-ninas-madre-dieron-luz-paraguay-2014

Culture of life! Way to go, Catholic Church! 

I guess those 14 dead girls under 14 got what was coming to them for having abortions, amirite?

[NewOrleans]

Aug 14, 2015 12:34:22 GMT -5 marriedfilingjoint said:

Aug 14, 2015 12:26:11 GMT -5 ttt said:

Jesus Christ this girl weighs 75 pounds.

news.yahoo.com/paraguay-captures-man-allegedly-impregnated-stepdaughter-194639425.html

And step-father's response?

 "I will do any (paternity) test to show it wasn't me," he said, adding: "I've been with tons of women, and I never got anybody pregnant."

Not "I didn't rape a child," just "the baby isn't mine." 

[jln]

This is so sad and disgusting. The girl and the baby should both go to a new home and leave that terrible family that wouldn't protect them.

And this is what several of the R candidates want to see happen in the USA.

[Deleted]

When the story came out earlier, I thought I'd read that the mother HAD gone to the authorities and they did nothing. Then the girl turned up pregnant, the stepfather ran away, and the government forced the girl to risk her own life to birth this child.

So just about everyone everywhere failed this poor girl.

[sushi]

Children only matter until they're born, especially girls

[kadams767]

Aug 14, 2015 12:14:17 GMT -5 ttt said:

Aug 14, 2015 11:53:39 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Where in the story did it say this?

Aug 14, 2015 2:20:44 GMT -5 alleinesein said:

Elizabeth Torales, a lawyer for the girl’s mother, told The Associated Press that the minor gave birth to a baby girl via cesarean in a Red Cross hospital in Asuncion, Paraguay’s capital. She said reported there were no complications and both the mother and baby were resting.

“The baby doesn’t yet have a name,” said Torales, who added that her client and the girl’s grandmother had requested custody of the infant.


...


The girl was allegedly raped and impregnated by her stepfather when she was 10. The stepfather has been arrested and is awaiting trial. The girl’s mother has been charged with negligence.

Um, can we also talk about the use of the word "allegedly" here? She was 10 years old. She wasn't allegedly raped. She was raped. Period. Since the stepfather admitted to having sex with her, there is no fucking "alleged" anything here. So disgusting and sad all around.