I would never go to a pro-life practice. I'd like my physician to be doing what is in the best interest of the patient, not base care on their own beliefs.
By random conversation I found out my OB and the PA I frequently see at my GP are both Catholic.
I basically had a melt down at 8 weeks pregnancy about what if I needed an abortion and he wasn't supportive. I continued to see him though. It seemed too hard to switch at that point.
I believe life begins at conception, but I think the mother's right to make choices about her own body trumps the rights of the fetus.
This describes "pro choice" specifically. No need to muddy it with "pro life personally" because the choice not to terminate it would be your choice, right?
Since I either get my care from the military where they're forbidden by Hyde amendment or I get it from ppm I've thankfully never had to ask.
But you know for damn sure I'd not see a practitionerwho was anti choice of I could help it.
As it was I've been in locations where one of the 2 mil docs refused to provide burgh control. I never met him. And, afaik, heed just have the other doc write the script. But you know he wasn't doing legit assessment and counseling.
Post by lyssbobiss, Command, B613 on Sept 10, 2015 20:53:12 GMT -5
lurkingaw, I don't know if you're willing to answer a super personal question or not, but...if you don't see an ob/gyn, do you not receive regular gynecological care? It seems as though you only see a midwife for pregnancy? Or did I misunderstand, and you see like a Certified Nurse Midwife, and that's how you get checkups? I'm sort of...confused by the idea of being a sexually active woman, even a totally monogamous one, and not getting checkups.
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Your CPMs can't deliver in hospitals so in the event of an emergency they would have to transfer care of you anyway.
Also, obviously CPMs can't do abortions, but they're not the only type of midwife.
I thought I was clear that I choose homebirth midwives. I'm not concerned about the others, as I am not in their care.
Well, it may be semantics, but CNMs, CMs, LMs can also perform homebirths, the former may or may not have transfer and admitting privileges at local hospitals in order to continue caring for you in the event of an emergency.
Speaking of, in the case of an emergency do your CPMs transfer you to a local hospital or think they can perform life-saving measures in your home? Because your posts suggest the latter.
lurkingaw, I don't know if you're willing to answer a super personal question or not, but...if you don't see an ob/gyn, do you not receive regular gynecological care? It seems as though you only see a midwife for pregnancy? Or did I misunderstand, and you see like a Certified Nurse Midwife, and that's how you get checkups? I'm sort of...confused by the idea of being a sexually active woman, even a totally monogamous one, and not getting checkups.
My family doctor can do paps.
ETA. My family doc can also deliver babies in the hospital. She helped me through my mscarriage earlier this year since my CPMs have no privileges in the hospital and couldn't even order me an ultrasound. My family doc is supportive of my choice to have homebirths and has worked well with me to supplement the care I receive from my midwives when I need it.
I believe life begins at conception, but I think the mother's right to make choices about her own body trumps the rights of the fetus.
This describes "pro choice" specifically. No need to muddy it with "pro life personally" because the choice not to terminate it would be your choice, right?
Well I agree, and describe myself as pro choice but for the purposes of the question I was also thinking about how I personally feel about abortion for myself and how I would address that with a healthcare professional and how I feel about their personal viewpoints.
So, for myself, I am against an elective abortion because I believe it is a life and is taking a life - again for myself - but I would not be concerned about having a doctor who performs abortions or supports elective abortions for any reason whatsoever even though that differs from my personal health care choices.
In most instances, my personal beliefs do not matter. But in a situation where it's me and how I feel about my doctor, I think it matters, and I thought it was a relevant consideration/clarification for the purposes of the question. Despite how I feel about legal rights for women vs. a fetus's rights, it is not a choice I would make for myself unless a very specific set of circumstances were in play because I do see it as taking a life. This doesn't mean I judge others choices or think they should make different choices. I'm being honest when I say I truly do not care what choices other people make and would be supportive of anyone I knew who made that choice. It's not my choice and not my business, but when it's me, my uterus and my doctor, it's a different story, which is why I brought it up in my response.
ETA: honestly the more I think about this, the more annoyed I am that you pulled one sentence from my post to point out to me that I am actually pro-choice. Since I am on my phone I can't bold but did you even read my whole post? It should be clear to even an amoeba that I am contemplating which question I should answer based on my second paragraph alone. Because when it comes down to it, for me, an abortion is morally wrong, and I have very strong feelings against it, fully believe life begins at conception, and see it as ending a life. So yeah it's not so clear cut when it's me and my healthcare provider with regards to which part of the question applies to me.
I thought I was clear that I choose homebirth midwives. I'm not concerned about the others, as I am not in their care.
Well, it may be semantics, but CNMs, CMs, LMs can also perform homebirths, the former may or may not have transfer and admitting privileges at local hospitals in order to continue caring for you in the event of an emergency.
Speaking of, in the case of an emergency do your CPMs transfer you to a local hospital or think they can perform life-saving measures in your home? Because your posts suggest the latter.
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I should have been clearer. In Ohio CNMs are not allowed to attend homebirths. It varies by state.
My midwives transfer in the event of an emergency. But in the event of an emergency all bets are off. I don't care who delivers my baby at that point. I'm sure that even people who are adamant about not seeing a care provider that will not perform abortions would allow that person to care for them in the event of an emergency. It's about having a preference and in the event of an emergency, your choices are sometimes limited.
lurkingaw, I don't know if you're willing to answer a super personal question or not, but...if you don't see an ob/gyn, do you not receive regular gynecological care? It seems as though you only see a midwife for pregnancy? Or did I misunderstand, and you see like a Certified Nurse Midwife, and that's how you get checkups? I'm sort of...confused by the idea of being a sexually active woman, even a totally monogamous one, and not getting checkups.
My family doctor can do paps.
ETA. My family doc can also deliver babies in the hospital. She helped me through my mscarriage earlier this year since my CPMs have no privileges in the hospital and couldn't even order me an ultrasound. My family doc is supportive of my choice to have homebirths and has worked well with me to supplement the care I receive from my midwives when I need it.
Nurses don't have privileges and can't order anything, so how could a CPM?
I only saw OBs for my pregnancies, and I see my family doc for regular checkups. She's not the pro-life type. I'm not sure if she could write a scrip or do a D&C in the office, but I'm positive she would see me taken care of.
All my doctors have been the kind of bad ass women who I wouldn't cross with some pro-life bullshit.
This describes "pro choice" specifically. No need to muddy it with "pro life personally" because the choice not to terminate it would be your choice, right?
Well I agree, and describe myself as pro choice but for the purposes of the question I was also thinking about how I personally feel about abortion for myself and how I would address that with a healthcare professional and how I feel about their personal viewpoints.
So, for myself, I am against an elective abortion because I believe it is a life and is taking a life - again for myself - but I would not be concerned about having a doctor who performs abortions or supports elective abortions for any reason whatsoever even though that differs from my personal health care choices.
In most instances, my personal beliefs do not matter. But in a situation where it's me and how I feel about my doctor, I think it matters, and I thought it was a relevant consideration/clarification for the purposes of the question. Despite how I feel about legal rights for women vs. a fetus's rights, it is not a choice I would make for myself unless a very specific set of circumstances were in play because I do see it as taking a life. This doesn't mean I judge others choices or think they should make different choices. I'm being honest when I say I truly do not care what choices other people make and would be supportive of anyone I knew who made that choice. It's not my choice and not my business, but when it's me, my uterus and my doctor, it's a different story, which is why I brought it up in my response.
ETA: honestly the more I think about this, the more annoyed I am that you pulled one sentence from my post to point out to me that I am actually pro-choice. Since I am on my phone I can't bold but did you even read my whole post? It should be clear to even an amoeba that I am contemplating which question I should answer based on my second paragraph alone. Because when it comes down to it, for me, an abortion is morally wrong, and I have very strong feelings against it, fully believe life begins at conception, and see it as ending a life. So yeah it's not so clear cut when it's me and my healthcare provider with regards to which part of the question applies to me.
I apologize. I was actually trying to whittle it down so that I didn't quote your whole post and create a huge WOT. Nuance is important, sorry about that.
I could have sworn AW was calling her self pro choice now?
TBH I have never thought of this question because I have always assumed w/out a second thought that if I ever needed one I would have no issue getting one, regardless of what my OB may or may not think, because of my geographic privilege.
I would switch from a pro-life ob/gyn because there's been instances where doctors have concealed birth defects they thought could lead the parents to abort. I'm sure it's a small percentage of even pro-life doctors that would do that, but I wouldn't want to take the chance. Less severe, but I also wouldn't want a doctor to shame me if I wanted the pill or an iud.
I'm not as sure about a general physician because last time I looked, my ovaries are not involved with strep throat, etc. but then I've heard friends horror stories about catholic hospitals delaying pain meds until the pregnancy test came back negative. And yeah, I don't want a potential fetus being put ahead of my health.
I could have sworn AW was calling her self pro choice now?
TBH I have never thought of this question because I have always assumed w/out a second thought that if I ever needed one I would have no issue getting one, regardless of what my OB may or may not think, because of my geographic privilege.
if I remember her wording correctly she is strongly opposed to a big government and strongly opposed to government interference in medical care. So in those grounds she is pro choice, just because of her desire for there to be a very limited government.
But she would likely be thrilled if every doctor and hospital made the choice for themselves to deny women choice even though the government allows it. She's not so much pro choice as anti government but that technicality means she's pro choice in that she doesn't want to see a government ban.
I wouldn't/didn't see an ob/gyn who doesn't offer a full range of services. My old ob/gyn practice does do abortions- first tri medical and surg as well as 2nd tri in their affiliated hospital. They do basic infertility work and refer for more extensive ART.
I also drove 45 minutes to access a non-Roman Catholic hospital. There was some talk of the hospital merging with a local RC hospital a few years back and the outrage around how that would impact reproductive care for women shut that shit down.
I don't think it would influence my choice of dr because I wouldn't be requesting the potentially denied services. As long as they weren't anti-NFP back when I needed that. And I did leave one dr for that.
Post by ringstrue on Sept 12, 2015 18:20:35 GMT -5
I go to a larger practice which I choose because I like the flexibility and coverage a larger practice has to see me whenever I need them- in the office or the hospital. So part of me wants to say "well if one or two are like that then I'd just avoid them" but that goes against my core reason for choosing a bigger place. Also, I would guess drastically different views like that would cause friction and a bad work environment - its very important for core values and mission to be shared by all.
So TL;DR - yes I'd switch. And I'd tell 3 friends I switched and why.