I haven't been a supporter of Sea World for years, but I just saw this picture on FB a few weeks ago. The yellow line is the parking lot, the red is a lake, and the blue is where SEVEN orcas live
Thank goodness! I rolled my eyes at this line though "depriving a social animal of the right to reproduce is inhumane". Don't people use a similar argument for not fixing their pets? Being in captivity is probably more inhumane for a whale.
Post by aussiecrush on Oct 9, 2015 14:51:48 GMT -5
Those whales do not reproduce by "natural" methods. They do not reproduce at the age Sea World chooses. Killer whales do not reproduce with other species of killer whale. They also have the right not to be kept in a fucking swimming pool but Sea World conviently forgets that. Even when there is an anti captivity victory the utter bull spilled by this horrific company makes me so damn mad.
Major eye roll to Seaworld saying the 11 orcas would suffer a 'slow extinction'. Yes, they will eventually die, and no, you cannot breed any more. There will still be orcas left in the world, and they will be the happy kind of orca.
"Breeding is a natural, fundamental and important part of an animal’s life, and depriving a social animal of the right to reproduce is inhumane.”
This is great news, but the quote above is laughable. You know what's inhumane, asshole? Keeping an animal that regularly swims up to 100 miles a day in the wild in a fucking swimming pool.
Captive orcas have never known the wild. What's the difference between a captive bred orca and people having (for instance) exotic birds & other animals in zoos, etc around the world?
Captive orcas have never known the wild. What's the difference between a captive bred orca and people having (for instance) exotic birds & other animals in zoos, etc around the world?
Captive orcas have never known the wild. What's the difference between a captive bred orca and people having (for instance) exotic birds & other animals in zoos, etc around the world?
Captive orcas have never known the wild. What's the difference between a captive bred orca and people having (for instance) exotic birds & other animals in zoos, etc around the world?
People shouldn't have exotic birds either. Which tells me you REALLY don't understand the issue here.
As for zoos, many strive to provide environments that help the animals. All Seaworld ever did was exploit them.
And yes my original answer was flippant but one of my biggest issues with keeping orcas in captivity is that not one facility has provided a sizeable enough environment for them. Add in the exploitation for entertainment and it goes well into the territory of harmful to the animals.
Yeah - I have to learn more on the topic in general. I've never been to Sea World and haven't paid much attention to the story. I don't really like zoos either...so I'm trying to understand why zoos are ok but Sea World is bad. To me? Exotic animals shouldn't be captive, period. but at least a captive bred exotic animal hasn't actually experienced life in the wild and then been subjected to life in captivity...which seems even worse to me.
Does this mean that eventually Sea World's orcas exhibit will be shut down? Or are they going to be allowed to "rescue" (I use that word loosely) and keep captured orcas?
Does this mean that eventually Sea World's orcas exhibit will be shut down? Or are they going to be allowed to "rescue" (I use that word loosely) and keep captured orcas?
It'll eventually be shut down. The USDA has been working hard to close the loopholes that allow large sea mammals captured in the wild to be used for entertainment. Even the entertainment masked as conservation such as Seaworld.
You know what also bugs me is Sea World in San Diego is literally on the water and those whales, dolphins and sea lions are nothing more than prisoners being kept in large saltwater swimming pools.
Yeah - I have to learn more on the topic in general. I've never been to Sea World and haven't paid much attention to the story. I don't really like zoos either...so I'm trying to understand why zoos are ok but Sea World is bad. To me? Exotic animals shouldn't be captive, period. but at least a captive bred exotic animal hasn't actually experienced life in the wild and then been subjected to life in captivity...which seems even worse to me.
Does this mean that eventually Sea World's orcas exhibit will be shut down? Or are they going to be allowed to "rescue" (I use that word loosely) and keep captured orcas?
Sea world has a life of paradox and juxtaposition. They can almost on their own fund rescue efforts to places like the gulf, when an oil spill happens. And they have. When Keiko, the whale from Free Willy was in desperate need of help in his pathetic aquarium in Mexico City, Sea World quietly fully funded the operation, and a lot of the operation to eventually move him. He was not their whale and they did not have to help him And they have rarely received credit for that.
Unfortunately they funded all that good work on the suffering of other whales.
Other zoos do amazing work. The zoo I worked at was part of prjects that helped save animals from extinction. Mull that over: without their efforts...animals would have disappeared. They served as refuges for exotic animals like parrots and even elephants. Zoos play an important conservation role for animals.
Yeah - I have to learn more on the topic in general. I've never been to Sea World and haven't paid much attention to the story. I don't really like zoos either...so I'm trying to understand why zoos are ok but Sea World is bad. To me? Exotic animals shouldn't be captive, period. but at least a captive bred exotic animal hasn't actually experienced life in the wild and then been subjected to life in captivity...which seems even worse to me.
Does this mean that eventually Sea World's orcas exhibit will be shut down? Or are they going to be allowed to "rescue" (I use that word loosely) and keep captured orcas?
Sea world has a life of paradox and juxtaposition. They can almost on their own fund rescue efforts to places like the gulf, when an oil spill happens. And they have. When Keiko, the whale from Free Willy was in desperate need of help in his pathetic aquarium in Mexico City, Sea World quietly fully funded the operation, and a lot of the operation to eventually move him. He was not their whale and they did not have to help him And they have rarely received credit for that.
Unfortunately they funded all that good work on the suffering of other whales.
Other zoos do amazing work. The zoo I worked at was part of prjects that helped save animals from extinction. Mull that over: without their efforts...animals would have disappeared. They served as refuges for exotic animals like parrots and even elephants. Zoos play an important conservation role for animals.
That's crazy! (The Sea World part). I had no idea they did those things...
And I've heard great things about some zoos and yet there are others that are just horrific.
Captive orcas have never known the wild. What's the difference between a captive bred orca and people having (for instance) exotic birds & other animals in zoos, etc around the world?
In a good zoo the animals should thrive and typically have longer (quality) lifespans than in the wild. The presence of the captive animals helps support conversation and education efforts, but without sacrificing the animal's overall quality of life. Sea World's orcas don't thrive.
Private ownership of exotic animals is an issue, it just doesn't get as much attention because individual instances aren't as newsworthy as giant corporations.