Wow! This is a whole lotta nonsense in one day. Bernie's folk have been buuuuusy! And omg the Twitter comments literally made me gasp out loud-wtf Bernie bros!?!
Posting this because someone on cnn just brought it up as evidence of Bernie sanders civil rights bona fides.
Wait a minute. That photo that's been everywhere might not even be him? I mean, I get it, he's old, it's hard to remember specifics and even if that isn't him, that doesn't mean he wasn't there. But still. Has Bernie ever had curly/wavy hair because the guy in the picture in question looks to have waves in his hair.
When people say "Sanders marched with MLK" what does that even mean? Is there any evidence they knew each other, or did Bernie just show up to a couple giant marches with a zillion other people?
When people say "Sanders marched with MLK" what does that even mean? Is there any evidence they knew each other, or did Bernie just show up to a couple giant marches with a zillion other people?
This is a good question. Everything I've seen said that Sanders was involved with SNCC at U of Chicago, and Wikipedia says he attended the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. But I haven't seen anywhere that he went down to Alabama or any other parts of the deep South. Obviously the Civil Rights movement of the 60s wasn't limited to the deep South, but that is where a lot of these events happened. Being involved in a sit-in at University of Chicago =/= getting the fire hoses and dogs turned on you by Bull Connor. The former is certainly still commendable, but the "marched with Martin" line seems to imply more than just attending the March on Washington.
I meant to read this thread when it was posted and forgot. I went looking for it this morning and couldn't find it because you bumped it up. I must be on the same wavelength as ESF and tacosforlife this morning.
Posting this because someone on cnn just brought it up as evidence of Bernie sanders civil rights bona fides.
Wait a minute. That photo that's been everywhere might not even be him? I mean, I get it, he's old, it's hard to remember specifics and even if that isn't him, that doesn't mean he wasn't there. But still. Has Bernie ever had curly/wavy hair because the guy in the picture in question looks to have waves in his hair.
I would have believed it was Bernie based on the posture alone. His mama should have told him to stand up straight!
Post by eponinepontmercy on Feb 12, 2016 10:50:33 GMT -5
It's certainly easier to dismiss your opponents supporters as "shills" than explaining your complete lack of support from colleagues you've worked with for 30 years.
NO ONE LIKES YOU, BERNIE.
The attacks on John Lewis have crossed the line for me. And their new talking point is that Clinton supported Goldwater. But, they forget to mention that she was 17 YEARS OLD when he ran. RAGERAGERAGE
When people say "Sanders marched with MLK" what does that even mean? Is there any evidence they knew each other, or did Bernie just show up to a couple giant marches with a zillion other people?
This is a good question. Everything I've seen said that Sanders was involved with SNCC at U of Chicago, and Wikipedia says he attended the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. But I haven't seen anywhere that he went down to Alabama or any other parts of the deep South. Obviously the Civil Rights movement of the 60s wasn't limited to the deep South, but that is where a lot of these events happened. Being involved in a sit-in at University of Chicago =/= getting the fire hoses and dogs turned on you by Bull Connor. The former is certainly still commendable, but the "marched with Martin" line seems to imply more than just attending the March on Washington.
Apparently the Berners are worked up about Lewis's remarks and have dug up photos of Bernie from the 60s. I've seen some on my Facebook feed. Most are protests in the North that seem like routine college protest activities for liberal people during those years and not as others have said, getting into the thick of it in the south where there's police brutality and people just risking their lives to vote.
There's one where some guy that is apparently Bernie basically just photobombing MLK. That must've the March on Washington. For people to think that John Lewis owes Bernie something because he had the dumb luck to be captured in a photo fifty years ago is really fucking outrageous.
This is a good question. Everything I've seen said that Sanders was involved with SNCC at U of Chicago, and Wikipedia says he attended the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. But I haven't seen anywhere that he went down to Alabama or any other parts of the deep South. Obviously the Civil Rights movement of the 60s wasn't limited to the deep South, but that is where a lot of these events happened. Being involved in a sit-in at University of Chicago =/= getting the fire hoses and dogs turned on you by Bull Connor. The former is certainly still commendable, but the "marched with Martin" line seems to imply more than just attending the March on Washington.
Apparently the Berners are worked up about Lewis's remarks and have dug up photos of Bernie from the 60s. I've seen some on my Facebook feed. Most are protests in the North that seem like routine college protest activities for liberal people during those years and not as others have said, getting into the thick of it in the south where there's police brutality and people just risking their lives to vote.
There's one where some guy that is apparently Bernie basically just photobombing MLK. That must've the March on Washington. For people to think that John Lewis owes Bernie something because he had the dumb luck to be captured in a photo fifty years ago is really fucking outrageous.
John Lewis doesn't owe anyone shit.
It surprises me not at all that the Berners went in. These are the exact.same.men who were neck-deep in harassing and threatening female coders and their families in Gamergate.
And I am laughing my fucking ass off at the Sanders campaign thinking they can somehow "control" these children. You want a revolution? You want a mob? Fine. But don't be surprised when the mob outgrows your influence.
This is a good question. Everything I've seen said that Sanders was involved with SNCC at U of Chicago, and Wikipedia says he attended the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. But I haven't seen anywhere that he went down to Alabama or any other parts of the deep South. Obviously the Civil Rights movement of the 60s wasn't limited to the deep South, but that is where a lot of these events happened. Being involved in a sit-in at University of Chicago =/= getting the fire hoses and dogs turned on you by Bull Connor. The former is certainly still commendable, but the "marched with Martin" line seems to imply more than just attending the March on Washington.
Apparently the Berners are worked up about Lewis's remarks and have dug up photos of Bernie from the 60s. I've seen some on my Facebook feed. Most are protests in the North that seem like routine college protest activities for liberal people during those years and not as others have said, getting into the thick of it in the south where there's police brutality and people just risking their lives to vote.
There's one where some guy that is apparently Bernie basically just photobombing MLK. That must've the March on Washington. For people to think that John Lewis owes Bernie something because he had the dumb luck to be captured in a photo fifty years ago is really fucking outrageous.
It kills me that they can't even confirm that it's him in the photo.
Wait, seriously?
That's bad. If they can't confirm, that means it's a deny. Bernie knows if it was him. Come on. He wouldn't have forgotten something like that.
So he's just letting people believe it's him? That's gross and insulting. People died in those marches. For him to take credit for being there, well that is a new low.
Sanders criticism grows pointed at black community forum
160212_bernie_sanders_1160_ap.jpg Bernie Sanders speaks at an African-American forum in Minneapolis Friday. | AP Photo
Sanders criticism grows pointed at black community forum
MINNEAPOLIS – A warm, welcoming African-American crowd grew increasingly frustrated with Sen. Bernie Sanders on Friday evening, complaining that he’s too scared to talk about specifically black issues.
Sanders was here for “A Community Forum on Black America,” introduced by the local congressman, Rep. Keith Ellison, one of Sanders' only two endorsers in the House, But unlike many of the packed rallies that have greeted Sanders in other parts of the country, neither the folding chairs nor the bleachers in the gym here at Patrick Henry High School were full.
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And the crowd and the panel grew lukewarm on Sanders, saying his focus on economic inequality looks past the entrenched problems they face as African-Americans.
Questions from a panel and the crowd drilled down on felon voting rights -- which Sanders said he strongly supported restoring -- but turned to environmental racism and reparations for slavery, with demands for more exact answers about actions the candidate for the Democratic nomination would take if he was elected president.
The tension quickly rose over his 40-minute appearance, with moderator Anthony Newby repeatedly calling for “specific redress.”
“I know you’re scared to say ‘black,’ I know you’re scared to say ‘reparations,’” said Felicia Perry, a local entrepreneur and artist on the stage. “Can’t you please specifically talk about black people?”
Sanders, who started off the forum running through his stump speech touching on “systemic racism,” unfair incarceration and education inequality, responded sharply to the charge.
“I said ‘black’ 50 times,” he said. “That’s the 51st time.”
But, Sanders said, the issues at hand are more about economics than race.
“It’s not just black,” he said. “It’s Latino. In some rural areas, it is white.”
Sanders wasn’t the only one in the room who drew complaints. Just before he left, he took a question from Clyde Bellecourt, a 79-year-old Native American activist who refused to give up the microphone as he ticked through centuries of injustice that he said needed to be addressed, too.
"This is a black forum,” Newby said, trying to cut Bellecourt off before Sanders quickly acknowledged Native Americans’ difficult history, and headed for the door to his next event to the tune of David Bowie’s “Starman.”
“Can’t you please specifically talk about black people?”
...
“It’s not just black,” he said. “It’s Latino. In some rural areas, it is white.”
Wow. I'm trying to put into words how much this astounds me. Nice of him to go to a black forum on black issues to let them know it isn't all about them.
But, Sanders said, the issues at hand are more about economics than race.
No, sometimes it is more about race. Why does he have to shoehorn economics into every single conversation?
What is wrong with this man?!
So lets just say every black family out there had a HHI of a minimum of $50,000. Does that change the dynamic of the justice system and interactions with law enforcement? Yeah, sure. Not everything boils down to pure economics. It's certainly a component but it is not the only piece.
No, sometimes it is more about race. Why does he have to shoehorn economics into every single conversation?
What is wrong with this man?!
So lets just say every black family out there had a HHI of a minimum of $50,000. Does that change the dynamic of the justice system and interactions with law enforcement? Yeah, sure. Not everything boils down to pure economics. It's certainly a component but it is not the only piece.
Will sending bankers to jail fix the water in Flint?
What astounds me is that this was an event designed for him. It wasn't a candidate forum. It was just a "meet Bernie sanders and talk about issues important to the black community." Why didn't he come better prepared with at least new talking points? Why is he so wedded to his script?!
So lets just say every black family out there had a HHI of a minimum of $50,000. Does that change the dynamic of the justice system and interactions with law enforcement? Yeah, sure. Not everything boils down to pure economics. It's certainly a component but it is not the only piece.
Will sending bankers to jail fix the water in Flint?
What astounds me is that this was an event designed for him. It wasn't a candidate forum. It was just a "meet Bernie sanders and talk about issues important to the black community." Why didn't he come better prepared with at least new talking points? Why is he so wedded to his script?!
Sanders criticism grows pointed at black community forum
160212_bernie_sanders_1160_ap.jpg Bernie Sanders speaks at an African-American forum in Minneapolis Friday. | AP Photo
Sanders criticism grows pointed at black community forum
MINNEAPOLIS – A warm, welcoming African-American crowd grew increasingly frustrated with Sen. Bernie Sanders on Friday evening, complaining that he’s too scared to talk about specifically black issues.
Sanders was here for “A Community Forum on Black America,” introduced by the local congressman, Rep. Keith Ellison, one of Sanders' only two endorsers in the House, But unlike many of the packed rallies that have greeted Sanders in other parts of the country, neither the folding chairs nor the bleachers in the gym here at Patrick Henry High School were full.
Story Continued Below
And the crowd and the panel grew lukewarm on Sanders, saying his focus on economic inequality looks past the entrenched problems they face as African-Americans.
Questions from a panel and the crowd drilled down on felon voting rights -- which Sanders said he strongly supported restoring -- but turned to environmental racism and reparations for slavery, with demands for more exact answers about actions the candidate for the Democratic nomination would take if he was elected president.
The tension quickly rose over his 40-minute appearance, with moderator Anthony Newby repeatedly calling for “specific redress.”
“I know you’re scared to say ‘black,’ I know you’re scared to say ‘reparations,’” said Felicia Perry, a local entrepreneur and artist on the stage. “Can’t you please specifically talk about black people?”
Sanders, who started off the forum running through his stump speech touching on “systemic racism,” unfair incarceration and education inequality, responded sharply to the charge.
“I said ‘black’ 50 times,” he said. “That’s the 51st time.”
But, Sanders said, the issues at hand are more about economics than race.
“It’s not just black,” he said. “It’s Latino. In some rural areas, it is white.”
Sanders wasn’t the only one in the room who drew complaints. Just before he left, he took a question from Clyde Bellecourt, a 79-year-old Native American activist who refused to give up the microphone as he ticked through centuries of injustice that he said needed to be addressed, too.
"This is a black forum,” Newby said, trying to cut Bellecourt off before Sanders quickly acknowledged Native Americans’ difficult history, and headed for the door to his next event to the tune of David Bowie’s “Starman.”
Does he wonder why he's trailing Clinton by like 30 points here?
Apparently the Berners are worked up about Lewis's remarks and have dug up photos of Bernie from the 60s. I've seen some on my Facebook feed. Most are protests in the North that seem like routine college protest activities for liberal people during those years and not as others have said, getting into the thick of it in the south where there's police brutality and people just risking their lives to vote.
There's one where some guy that is apparently Bernie basically just photobombing MLK. That must've the March on Washington. For people to think that John Lewis owes Bernie something because he had the dumb luck to be captured in a photo fifty years ago is really fucking outrageous.
John Lewis doesn't owe anyone shit.
It surprises me not at all that the Berners went in. These are the exact.same.men who were neck-deep in harassing and threatening female coders and their families in Gamergate.
And I am laughing my fucking ass off at the Sanders campaign thinking they can somehow "control" these children. You want a revolution? You want a mob? Fine. But don't be surprised when the mob outgrows your influence.
<--- not entirely anti-Bernie, but *cough* just like Trump *cough*