I've been on the "leave AW alone train" but she is absolutely a flame thrower. One cannot waltz into a thread, make a controversial statement, and then expect no questioning/pushback.
Post by foundmylazybum on Aug 31, 2012 7:31:42 GMT -5
My personal thing is it's all about controlling the controllables.
I think it's pretty obvious now that aw is going to post what she's going to post. It's her opinion and that's what she's going to do (FTR this is also what everyone else is going to do to). For me--it's out of my control.
All I can do is control my own reaction to the posts.
Shifting the blame to aw--or even TRYING to force her to get her to take responsibility for her views and reactions is (and as has been shown multiple, MULTIPLE TIMES) is an exercise in futility.
PS - this is totally off topic, but I think you once got on me a little bit about not letting Jackson ride the bus even though he wanted to - ANYWAY, he is riding the bus home every day and he loves it. It terrifies me because of my own experience, but I am glad he loves it. I take him to school because the bus comes really early (earlier than he has to get up if I take him).
I did? Or Marie?
You! It was a monster thread about something else, I think and I mentioned my irrational bus hatred. Anyway, you said something about Jackson wanting some independence that struck me, and I remembered it when he asked to ride the bus home, even though I didn't want him to.
My personal thing is it's all about controlling the controllables.
I think it's pretty obvious now that aw is going to post what she's going to post. It's her opinion and that's what she's going to do (FTR this is also what everyone else is going to do to). For me--it's out of my control.
All I can do is control my own reaction to the posts.
Shifting the blame to aw--or even TRYING to force her to get her to take responsibility for her views and reactions is (and as has been shown multiple, MULTIPLE TIMES) is an exercise in futility.
ITA with this. I am convinced she comes to this board to get her persecution fix, so I refuse to give it to her.
The thing is, her reaction is not going to change. She is always going to be defensive or not explain in a way that anyone likes/agrees with. It's just not worth engaging. I'm not saying people should ignore her totally, but you're never going to get the answers from her that you want. All it does is give her a reason to go 10 paged and derail a thread.
You! It was a monster thread about something else, I think and I mentioned my irrational bus hatred. Anyway, you said something about Jackson wanting some independence that struck me, and I remembered it when he asked to ride the bus home, even though I didn't want him to.
Haha aww..now I'm dying with all these questions (I'm about to drive this thread off the course lol) That's so awesome that he likes the bus AND that even though you hated the bus you let him do it! Your kids always seem like they have such neat little personalities--I can totally see him ruling bus time ;D.
So it's everyone else's fault and not aw's? Interesting.
No, but I thought her first comment in the vegetarianism thread was rather harmless.
Look, I disagree with her a lot. And I do think she's being overdramatic by deactivating her account yet again. And there have been instances where a flaming wasn't uncalled for. But we know she is going to defend her beliefs very strongly and I guess I just don't see the point of regularly calling her out on them. So she lets God decide how many kids she will have. That's not something I understand but I just look at it as something I just won't understand as an agnostic.
Personally, I don't think the thread derailed all that much. Religion/faith/personal beliefs are a huge reason why no one is doing anything about the environment. It's not all black and white, here are the numbers, when it comes to activism and changing our habits. It's taking what we know, and what we believe and melding them into a way that is palatable to our beings so that the changes stick.
It's an interesting side to the issues, but I recognize a lot of people here are no longer interested in the religious debate.
I like religious debate, but not mocking (you didn't, just it can go there and f those that think saying this is martyry). She, though, usually brings it to a battle of who is the best religious person.
You! It was a monster thread about something else, I think and I mentioned my irrational bus hatred. Anyway, you said something about Jackson wanting some independence that struck me, and I remembered it when he asked to ride the bus home, even though I didn't want him to.
Haha aww..now I'm dying with all these questions (I'm about to drive this thread off the course lol) That's so awesome that he likes the bus AND that even though you hated the bus you let him do it! Your kids always seem like they have such neat little personalities--I can totally see him ruling bus time ;D.
aww, thanks! When we met his bus at the bus stop, he got off and came running, yelling, "THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO DO IT AGAIN!!!!" So yeah, he loves it. That made it worth facing my fears!
I generally don't mind AW. Threads like that remind me of bliss on MM though, in that I don't understand why those who vehemently disagree with her constantly engage her. You know she's not going to change; and presumably you aren't, either, so at some point it feels a little masochistic reading them.
I don't agree with AW's beliefs, though I'm a Christian, but it seems pointless to continually rile her up for no reason. I think she adds an interesting dynamic to the board, and I wish she'd stick around.
I think that, at least in regard to the vegetarian thread, there isn't really a way to have a full, intelligent debate about the actual issue, though, without raising the theory of overpopulation. It's a huge contributor. Even if AW hadn't made her initial comment (which I agree was innocuous), it would have come up sooner or later. You can't have the too much meat debate without pointing out that there might be too many people.
Post by Daria Morgandorffer on Aug 31, 2012 8:34:45 GMT -5
It was inevitable. Every time you start a public debate about population control, it's only a matter of time before someone brings out the "God made me do it" defense. Combined with the fact that she boasts about feeding her family red meat about 18 times per day, it's no wonder that her choices were quickly questioned.
She needs to realize that if she's going to join into these discussions, the choices that she's made public are not going to be ignored.
Post by heightsyankee on Aug 31, 2012 8:36:17 GMT -5
Well, I didn't see her posts in the veggie thread. Glad that might have been the culprit and not the fact that I told her she really needs to try texting because she may like it.
I generally don't mind AW. Threads like that remind me of bliss on MM though, in that I don't understand why those who vehemently disagree with her constantly engage her. You know she's not going to change; and presumably you aren't, either, so at some point it feels a little masochistic reading them.
I don't agree with AW's beliefs, though I'm a Christian, but it seems pointless to continually rile her up for no reason. I think she adds an interesting dynamic to the board, and I wish she'd stick around.
She's not the only one being riled up. Flippantly blaming overconsumption (while she herself is a huge overconsumer) and then hiding behind god is going to rile others up as well. I was incensed over her responses in that thread for quite a while after I quit responding. That shit pisses me off.
I generally don't mind AW. Threads like that remind me of bliss on MM though, in that I don't understand why those who vehemently disagree with her constantly engage her. You know she's not going to change; and presumably you aren't, either, so at some point it feels a little masochistic reading them.
I don't agree with AW's beliefs, though I'm a Christian, but it seems pointless to continually rile her up for no reason. I think she adds an interesting dynamic to the board, and I wish she'd stick around.
I have just come to the conclusion that she gets personal satisfaction from stirring the pot. It's thrilling! I think she gets a huge kick out of it. The thrill turns to guilt (because maybe part of her thinks it's not entirely Christianly behavior?). The guilt turns to deactivation. Boredom leads to coming back. Rinse and repeat.
I have just come to the conclusion that she gets personal satisfaction from stirring the pot. It's thrilling! I think she gets a huge kick out of it. The thrill turns to guilt (because maybe part of her thinks it's not entirely Christianly behavior?). The guilt turns to deactivation. Boredom leads to coming back. Rinse and repeat.
I do think it charges her up. But I think you could also say the same of just about anyone on the board.
I don't know; it just seems a little silly how every single post she's in turns into a massive, multi-page religious debate. In general, I like her though. She's militant and overly pious and she thinks I'm going to hell, but she also knows her shit, which is more than I can say for a lot of hardcore fundamentalist Christians.
Its just so hilariously predictable. Anyone of us gets into it with her and in under 5 hours she deactivates. Why go to that length? Leave, don't log back in for a week, fine. But deactivate?
I generally don't mind AW. Threads like that remind me of bliss on MM though, in that I don't understand why those who vehemently disagree with her constantly engage her. You know she's not going to change; and presumably you aren't, either, so at some point it feels a little masochistic reading them.
I don't agree with AW's beliefs, though I'm a Christian, but it seems pointless to continually rile her up for no reason. I think she adds an interesting dynamic to the board, and I wish she'd stick around.
I thought of Bliss too.
All I can add to this was the best thing Bliss ever did was when she talked about her running.
I rarely respond to her, but the last time I did it was quite reasonable. I am not a fan of anyone leaving the board, even those I don't get on with. "Friction keeps us sharp" and all that. If everyone agrees on everything, then it will be boring as hell around here lol.
Oh, except for lysisugal. She's just like having a mosquito buzzing around in digital form. Irritating and pointless.
Post by MixedBerryJam on Aug 31, 2012 9:56:12 GMT -5
Hey, I tried to do my part and scarfed up the AW login id the last time it was abandoned. Then Ellie (I may be wrong about this and don't mean to sound accusing) gave it back to her! I kind of figured she'd get the message that the repeatedly activating/deactivating/activating/deactivating was getting tiresome.
Post by laurenpetro on Aug 31, 2012 10:04:08 GMT -5
i guess i'm now spending my 'friday-before-labor-day' reading a thread i was only mildly interested in before this.
and fwiw, i've basically stopped reading her posts altogether. it's redic that she constantly deletes because we make her sad and then rejoins because she's bored. stop being such a fucking attention whore. which, now that i think about it, may be a more correct interpretation of "aw" than "adam'swife" ever was.
Hey, I tried to do my part and scarfed up the AW login id the last time it was abandoned. Then Ellie (I may be wrong about this and don't mean to sound accusing) gave it back to her! I kind of figured she'd get the message that the repeatedly activating/deactivating/activating/deactivating was getting tiresome.
I'm with Eclaires. I just don't engage her because she can't have a debate that doesn't include her getting pissy and taking her toys to run off. It's silly, tiring, childish and moronic to be quite frank.
Then a few months later after her hurt feelings are over, she resurfaces and pretends nothing ever happens and then BAM we're right back to the same shit, different day. Now, you can challenge her beliefs if you want, but that's unlikely to change. And I don't know why anyone feels some kinda way that she gets huffy and leaves without adequately defending her beliefs to your standards. Some folks just don't roll like that and obviously AW isn't one.
And I'mma say this and gone over here and SAT DOWN, if she doesn't want to play with the big dogs, stay the fuck on the porch. Because ...
I have just come to the conclusion that she gets personal satisfaction from stirring the pot. It's thrilling! I think she gets a huge kick out of it. The thrill turns to guilt (because maybe part of her thinks it's not entirely Christianly behavior?). The guilt turns to deactivation. Boredom leads to coming back. Rinse and repeat.
I do think it charges her up. But I think you could also say the same of just about anyone on the board.
I don't know; it just seems a little silly how every single post she's in turns into a massive, multi-page religious debate. In general, I like her though. She's militant and overly pious and she thinks I'm going to hell, but she also knows her shit, which is more than I can say for a lot of hardcore fundamentalist Christians.
Well, yes. We all get a thrill here. But the curious part about AW is the fact that she does this and deactivates and does this and deactivates. And does this and deactivates.