Post by aussiecrush on Mar 27, 2016 10:12:58 GMT -5
Does my child deserve to get sick, be hospitalized, get brain damage or die because he is allergic to a component of the MMR vaccine, laterbloomer? I'm forced to rely on the community at large and people like you to keep my son safe and well because a vaccine designed to help him could kill him. That's why herd immunity is necessary.
Does my child deserve to get sick, be hospitalized, get brain damage or die because he is allergic to a component of the MMR vaccine, laterbloomer? I'm forced to rely on the community at large and people like you to keep my son safe and well because a vaccine designed to help him could kill him. That's why herd immunity is necessary.
And I think the number of children that cannot get the vaccine is higher than you would think. Allergies are one reason. But also children with weaker immune systems (on chemo or after a transplant) may not mount a strong enough immune response or have a delayed schedule due to their illness. People on my Facebook Moms group page freaked their freak about parents that send their kid to school with a fever - I'm sure there were some within that group that don't vaccinate. So frustrating.
I think initially most parents were pretty on board with vaccinating and it was an easy choice to go with the vaccine vs having their kid go through these diseases. As anti-vax stuff started up and less of us actually remember or have experience with the illnesses, there's more promotion of how serious these diseases potentially are.
I'm a child of the 80s, so besides chicken pox, I didn't have or know anyone who had any of these growing up. We vax on schedule, but I think the fear argument is used to up the stakes when people aren't taking vaccinating seriously and just counting on their kids not getting sick.
I was born in the 80s and I had the MMR (measles, mumps & rubella) shot twice - once as a child and once in university (late 80s) so I can't imagine most people didn't get this in the 80s.
Me too. I had all those shots. The only illness I had to go through was chicken pox. Luckily I don't even remember it. I had already had it by the time half my class was out sick with it in 2nd grade.
I've been reading all the links you guys have been posting. Making billions off of vaccines seems like a lot to me but apparently not such a big deal to big pharma. I've been doing the math on the stats of cases of measles vs deaths and from what I see it is under 1%.
I want to repeat I'm not anti vaccination, but I'm not convinced that people that don't get vaccinated are murderers.
I also don't lump all vaccinations together. I think there are some diseases that had higher risks. But I do think the risks of some are being exaggerated.
Do you want your child to be in that 1%? And is it reasonable to force another parent to take that risk due to an immune compromised child (who is likely less able to survive the illness) who can't be vaxed by not contributing to herd immunity because measles are not a big deal? You shouldn't get to decide that another child dying to avoid giving a shot to your kid.
Post by laterbloomer on Mar 27, 2016 12:42:17 GMT -5
I need to repeat I'm vaccinated (well for everything that was recommended for me) and I don't have any kids so I'm not putting anyone's kids at risk. I am not and have not promoted not vaccinating. So in a lot of ways I'm an outsider observing this debate.
I need to repeat I'm vaccinated (well for everything that was recommended for me) and I don't have any kids so I'm not putting anyone's kids at risk. I am not and have not promoted not vaccinating. So in a lot of ways I'm an outsider observing this debate.
Then maybe don't offer up bs on the number of deaths. For some of us this is a very real issue, with real life consequences. As I have two children on the autism spectrum I hear all sorts of uneducated and ill formed opinions on my sons' health and my parenting, especially related to this very topic. The anti vaxx community does all harm and no good, Andrew Wakefield is their god.
I need to repeat I'm vaccinated (well for everything that was recommended for me) and I don't have any kids so I'm not putting anyone's kids at risk. I am not and have not promoted not vaccinating. So in a lot of ways I'm an outsider observing this debate.
Then maybe don't offer up bs on the number of deaths. For some of us this is a very real issue, with real life consequences. As I have two children on the autism spectrum I hear all sorts of uneducated and ill formed opinions on my sons' health and my parenting, especially related to this very topic. The anti vaxx community does all harm and no good, Andrew Wakefield is their god.
I'm sorry you get grief about your son's autism but it hasn't come from me so back off. I asked a sincere question and have read the answers in spite of the bitchy way most of you have delivered them.
Then maybe don't offer up bs on the number of deaths. For some of us this is a very real issue, with real life consequences. As I have two children on the autism spectrum I hear all sorts of uneducated and ill formed opinions on my sons' health and my parenting, especially related to this very topic. The anti vaxx community does all harm and no good, Andrew Wakefield is their god.
I'm sorry you get grief about your son's autism but it hasn't come from me so back off. I asked a sincere question and have read the answers in spite of the bitchy way most of you have delivered them.
There's nothing sincere about asking that question while stating you're just an outsider observing the debate.
I need to repeat I'm vaccinated (well for everything that was recommended for me) and I don't have any kids so I'm not putting anyone's kids at risk. I am not and have not promoted not vaccinating. So in a lot of ways I'm an outsider observing this debate.
Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots like you with the same idiotic "arguments" who DO have kids and who are not vaccinating them. And if they continue to propagate we'll be back at shit creek with an epidemic on our hands
Hey guys remember the days when childhood death wasn't unusual at all? In fact it was actually very common? Let's go back to that! Good times
I'm sorry you get grief about your son's autism but it hasn't come from me so back off. I asked a sincere question and have read the answers in spite of the bitchy way most of you have delivered them.
There's nothing sincere about asking that question while stating you're just an outsider observing the debate.
Of course there is. This is a decision I have not had to make so I am asking questions.
With all due respect, this isn't a decision, all people need to be vaccinated.
Do adults gets measles shots? I thought it was just flu and pertussis/dtap/whichever is the adult version.
Yep, if you can't show proof of immunization. I'm of the era where I had the disease, but as there is no recorded proof if it, I had to be immunized against both MMR and chicken pox before starting my practicum.
Of course there is. This is a decision I have not had to make so I am asking questions.
With all due respect, this isn't a decision, all people need to be vaccinated.
That might be how you feel but it isn't a fact. People do have a choice whether or not to get vaccinated or get their kids vaccinated. For the record, calling people that ask about it idiots and holding them responsible for things that might happen to your kids but hasn't isn't how you make friends and influence people.
laterbloomer , look, of course it is a choice to get vaccinated or to have your children vaccinated. What most of us in this thread and on this board are saying is that it is the wrong choice if you don't get vaccinated.
That choice impacts more than just yourself. It impacts an entire community and greater. We don't have astronomical rates of diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, haemophilus influenzae, polio, etc. because we have had DECADES of successful for vaccine campaigns in this country. These campaigns only work when a critical mass of people are vaccinated.
I think the reason that until recently (as in the last 20 years) we've been able to beat back vaccine preventable diseases is because the people who were getting vaccines remember what it was like NOT to have those vaccines. They remember measles epidemics. They remember what it was like to be sick with mumps. They knew all too clearly what the "putrid sore throat" (aka diphtheria) was all about.
Herd immunity is real and critically important to the health and well being of our communities. Why are people afraid of mumps and measles? Because we don't want to relive the world our grandparents lived in before vaccines were available for these diseases.
Do adults gets measles shots? I thought it was just flu and pertussis/dtap/whichever is the adult version.
I had one in the hospital after my DD's birth. At some point, my titers were run and it was found I didn't have immunity from measles, mumps and rubella. So, I got the MMR again.
I'm incredibly grateful I didn't contract any of those diseases while pregnant, and that's why I'm weary of paper defenses of why vaccines aren't a big deal and everyone is overreacting. No. Public health is at risk. End of story.
Last year when we were first seriously ttc, there was an outbreak at Disneyland (we live in SoCal and have annual passes). My H and I got the vaccine again because while we had both already had it done as kids, it was years earlier and chances were our immunity would be waning, if it hadn't already. I just wasn't willing to risk contracting a very preventable disease while pregnant. And now that I am pregnant, I'm very glad we got boosters.
With all due respect, this isn't a decision, all people need to be vaccinated.
That might be how you feel but it isn't a fact. People do have a choice whether or not to get vaccinated or get their kids vaccinated. For the record, calling people that ask about it idiots and holding them responsible for things that might happen to your kids but hasn't isn't how you make friends and influence people.
Thanks to those that answered in a sensible way.
It's - thankfully! - becoming less and less of a choice. Many pediatricians won't accept patients who aren't vaccinated and schools are getting stricter. And I don't care if I don't make friends with people who choose not to vax. I'd rather not be friends who don't believe in science and facts, and live their lives based on fear mongering and mommy blogs.
I have two kids, and in a conversation on vaccinations on either here or TB I once said that I would definitely vaccinate everything except for chicken pox one, which I would likely do but wanted to know more about. I said I had it as a kid, and hadn't done research as to why it was better to vaccinate against it yet. Someone said that getting it makes it more likely to get shingles later on, which is extremely painful. And, of course, while I was perfectly fine with the chicken pox, a child with a compromised immune system might not be, so I should do my part to help prevent it. Both made perfect sense, and that was all I needed to know to decide that my kids will definitely get it. But I said that I didn't know the facts behind it, not that I didn't understand the fear around getting it. How you ask a question will largely determine how people answer you.
With all due respect, this isn't a decision, all people need to be vaccinated.
That might be how you feel but it isn't a fact. People do have a choice whether or not to get vaccinated or get their kids vaccinated. For the record, calling people that ask about it idiots and holding them responsible for things that might happen to your kids but hasn't isn't how you make friends and influence people.
Thanks to those that answered in a sensible way.
Ask sensible questions, get sensible answers. There is nothing sensible about "understanding" or thinking vaccinations are a choice.
With all due respect, this isn't a decision, all people need to be vaccinated.
Do adults gets measles shots? I thought it was just flu and pertussis/dtap/whichever is the adult version.
I typed it quickly because my phone has been acting up but most people, at least in developed countries, have all been vaccinated as a child and many, such as myself, have had boosters as adults.
Of course I was omitting those who are unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons but we now have the capability of eradicating diseases that have taken the lives of countless children and for those who do not have access is deplorable but even more deplorable is those that have access and refused to be vaccinated based upon false medical studies.
With all due respect, this isn't a decision, all people need to be vaccinated.
Do adults gets measles shots? I thought it was just flu and pertussis/dtap/whichever is the adult version.
I had to get one before I went to India as well as a shitton of other vaccinations. Not fun at all; 6 shots in one day made me feel like a human pin cushion.
With all due respect, this isn't a decision, all people need to be vaccinated.
Do adults gets measles shots? I thought it was just flu and pertussis/dtap/whichever is the adult version.
Everyone needs 2 MMR shots. When I was growing up, only 1 was standard. Now public health (In Ontario at least) is recommending everyone under 40 or so (I forget the year cut off) get a booster as immunity was waning.
I'm glad to see so many adults that are outspoken about vaccinating It drives me nuts when I see adults through work that think because we never see illnesses anymore that they are safe! Parents with kids who refuse really make me rage. Fortunately in Ontario, you can't go to school unless you've been fully vaccinated, including chicken pox. Exceptions are very, very rare to see now. I'm glad that the province has come down hard regarding immunizations.
Post by junieolive on Mar 27, 2016 20:32:46 GMT -5
laterbloomer I am also vaccinated, and have no children, nor do I intend to have children. This doesn't mean that I shouldn't care about this issue. Vaccinations are a public health issue that affects everyone. I am angry that you are willfully ignorant about the science behind vaccines. You are perpetuating the myths that the anti vaxxers spew on a constant basis. Your ignorance is dangerous. Be better.
With all due respect, this isn't a decision, all people need to be vaccinated.
That might be how you feel but it isn't a fact. People do have a choice whether or not to get vaccinated or get their kids vaccinated. For the record, calling people that ask about it idiots and holding them responsible for things that might happen to your kids but hasn't isn't how you make friends and influence people.
Thanks to those that answered in a sensible way.
It depends on your job both my Mom and Dad were required to get boosters as condition of their employment. Dad due to potential travel and Mom because she worked with children and all teachers were required to be UTD on vaccinations under their contract if they wanted to work they had to get them. Vaccines are a critical public health issue and
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
I love the big pharma argument. As if big pharma couldn't find another way to make a shitton of money off of treating diseases if people as a whole just stopped vaccinating. I mean, someone holds the patent on the iron lung.
I love the big pharma argument. As if big pharma couldn't find another way to make a shitton of money off of treating diseases if people as a whole just stopped vaccinating. I mean, someone holds the patent on the iron lung.
Isn't is supposedly common knowledge that treatment is 1000% more lucrative than prevention?