Fuck Daniel Tiger. He's ripping off Mr. Fred Rogers anyway. You should've seen the daggers shooting out of my eyes at the TV when I heard that little cat singing the song from Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.
ETA: Ok, everyone, I've been schooled on the origin of Daniel Tiger. He can be.
Fuck Daniel Tiger. He's ripping off Mr. Fred Rogers anyway. You should've seen the daggers shooting out of my eyes at the TV when I heard that little cat singing the song from Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.
Point of contention - he's not ripping off Mr. Rogers. He was created specifically by the Fred Roger's Company.
I don't really know what to write here other than I have read the thread, I am sorry POC don't feel comfortable posting on MMM, and I am sorry for the ways in which I have contributed to that uncomfortable environment. I will continue to try to do better.
Fuck Daniel Tiger. He's ripping off Mr. Fred Rogers anyway. You should've seen the daggers shooting out of my eyes at the TV when I heard that little cat singing the song from Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.
Bro, you know that he's Prince Tuesday's friend, right? Who is King Friday's son? Who was part of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood of Make Believe? That's the crossover. He's not biting, it's his legacy !
My sweet baby nephew loves Daniel Tiger. Y'all are going to have to put some respeck on his name lol. Shoutout to Tigey, Miss Alaina, etc.
Fuck Daniel Tiger. He's ripping off Mr. Fred Rogers anyway. You should've seen the daggers shooting out of my eyes at the TV when I heard that little cat singing the song from Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.
Point of contention - he's not ripping off Mr. Rogers. He was created specifically by the Fred Roger's Company.
GIVE ME FRED!!!
My daughter loves the show because it's a cat. I get all nostalgic thinking about loafers and cardigans.
Fuck Daniel Tiger. He's ripping off Mr. Fred Rogers anyway. You should've seen the daggers shooting out of my eyes at the TV when I heard that little cat singing the song from Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.
Bro, you know that he's Prince Tuesday's friend, right? Who is King Friday's son? Who was part of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood of Make Believe? That's the crossover. He's not biting, it's his legacy !
My sweet baby nephew loves Daniel Tiger. Y'all are going to have to put some respeck on his name lol. Shoutout to Tigey, Miss Alaina, etc.
Pretty sure the first time I saw the show I wound up rocking myself and crying in my bathroom. But no, I never learned the deeper story.
Yes. Hotep cousins, whaaattt, I'm jealous...how good are their memes ? Because that would be worth having a FB, even to me. I understand. My parents, one raised Catholic, the other Episcopalian, converted to Islam (not NOI) before I was born. By the time I was pretty young, my mother was no longer going to the Masjid and she eventually transitioned to Buddhism. That lasted a year, before she ditched religion altogether. As an aside, she oddly and vehemently denied that entire year when we went to see the Reclining Buddha in Bangkok. My father is still Muslim. My grandmother insisted on Catholicism and Catholic school for me and they acquiesced, but my dad, in particular never stopped giving me ALL of his thoughts on "the white man and religion." Like...if I call him right now with the right (or actually, wrong) question, I could probably get a strong hour.Â
But listen, my childhood BFF's father? I think we were maybe 10 when he sat us down and gave us the Yakub talk, in his dashiki and all, true story. To this day, I don't think you can convince her that white people are not actually the devil incarnate. Sorry, white allies.
It's a great one, @kirkette! Save
Seriously are you my cousin? Same story most of our family converted from catholicism to islam (half NOI, half regular) and let me tell you we were the lone catholic kaffas (sp?) and according to everyone besides my dad white people wrre the worst
Ha! I think it's a pretty natural transition although I suspect it's very rare. They're both very ritualistic religions, peaceful and calming services. I can see the appeal.
Ha! I think it's a pretty natural transition although I suspect it's very rare. They're both very ritualistic religions, peaceful and calming services. I can see the appeal.
If I remember correctly the NOI came here in the 60s and riled everyone up and there.was a mass conversion. So many muslims who celebrate Christmas in my life :-)
This is HILARIOUS! My friend whose father gave the Yakub speech sure enough went and got them a huge tree every year.
I spent Christmas at my grandparents because my parents would not do it...and aside for my grandmother's unyielding concern for my soul, I believe her secondary motivation for insisting that I be raised Catholic in spite of my "crazy" parents was entirely about Christmas, in the vein of "what you mean that baby can't have no Crimmus?" <--This is a great question for black trivia night, am I right? Because I darned sure can't remember who said it.
The White Fragility piece was eye opening. When the topic of racism comes up, it's easy for me to default to pointing fingers at people who are obviously racist and feel like I'm good. It was a great reminder that it isn't binary, and that it takes work on my part to increase my own awareness. Thank you to the WOC here for taking the time and energy to share your stories.
I'm crying at your 1st grade self reading that. Dead.
My mom's people are/were Nation of Islam. Changed their names and everything. Now my cousins are Hotep'ed out. Go ahead and laugh. They're the main reason I keep my FB active. So much entertainment.
Yes. Hotep cousins, whaaattt, I'm jealous...how good are their memes ? Because that would be worth having a FB, even to me. I understand. My parents, one raised Catholic, the other Episcopalian, converted to Islam (not NOI) before I was born. By the time I was pretty young, my mother was no longer going to the Masjid and she eventually transitioned to Buddhism. That lasted a year, before she ditched religion altogether. As an aside, she oddly and vehemently denied that entire year when we went to see the Reclining Buddha in Bangkok. My father is still Muslim. My grandmother insisted on Catholicism and Catholic school for me and they acquiesced, but my dad, in particular never stopped giving me ALL of his thoughts on "the white man and religion." Like...if I call him right now with the right (or actually, wrong) question, I could probably get a strong hour.Â
But listen, my childhood BFF's father? I think we were maybe 10 when he sat us down and gave us the Yakub talk, in his dashiki and all, true story. To this day, I don't think you can convince her that white people are not actually the devil incarnate. Sorry, white allies.
It's a great one, @kirkette! Save
the memes are everything. Right now they're into concealed carrying. That's why I can't hang with those fools anymore. I don't think our kingly ancestors would approve of my getting shot at a hood club in Pittsburgh.
Hoteps be hoteppin will never not kill me, @barefootbarista . Broccoli conspiracies? I quit.
Nooo, Pittsburgh cousins, nooo. Well, listen, 05heel, if the Kings believe it is righteous to carry weapons, then I think you have a duty to support that, Queen. Don't give into the plan to divide and conquer. Stay woke, sis. #hotepillogic
The only folks who know BabyLiu is black are black folks. Even though the child calls my name approximately twice every sixty seconds, I'm still asked if I'm her nanny on the regular. At least once a year (thus far) someone implies that I have stolen that child.
One day, I will snap and end up shiving someone.
Happened to my Momma multiple times growing up. But she was known for cussing nosey white women the eff out and telling them she can talk to HER kids any damn way she pleased when any mistakenly took her for the maid.
Ugh. I worry about this stuff. I'm sorry you're experiencing it.
I worry about what my girls will hear, and honestly already hear, from being two different shades, even though they both light. The little one is clearly lighter and brighter, so we experience all sorts of foolishness.
I'm signing in since I just got here. I know I'm usually here all day every day but it's been a helluvafew days.
I know there's a FB group out there for CEP that I've never signed on to but I've been wondering this election season if I could/should break down and see if I'm welcome.
@kirkette is easily the least angry "angry black woman" I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Your anger is so justified that it makes my head spin based on some of the stuff I've seen directed at you on this board. As I've said several times (and duly noted by being deservedly kicked in the ass by many of you) I was raised in the "colorblind" era. I never thought of it as coded and micro-aggressive until I came here and was properly schooled. I was 50 years old when I finally reached the point of being able to learn that color-blind is still all about seeing color and reacting to it. And it breaks my heart to think of the girls being treated the way they have, and sadly, will likely be treated in the future all because of melanin. Those are two of the cutest, sweetest little girls that I am not related to (will have to post video of the two-year-old because OMG the diva-ness and dimples kill me) that I have ever met, and I have pictures to prove it. Of course, they're at my favorite age but the fact that they are beautiful, adorable, sweet and dimpled doesn't hurt. Kiddo loved spending time with them and running the bases with them was one of her favorite things that she has done all summer. So thank you for coming up and bringing them. I'm still sorry it was the world's fastest game (though I'm not sorry the Mariners won. lol.) I hope Kirk is feeling better and I hope we didn't disappoint. As always, (this goes for *everybody*) kick me in the ass when necessary because it's the only way I learn. I'm still learning and I still make mistakes. Half a century of obliviousness isn't easily overcome. I'm trying to do better by the girls, and even the ones I've already raised into adulthood aren't immune.
I type this as I sit in my very sweet, racist mother-in-law's kitchen as she's watching Fox News (thankfully wearing headphones) and showing her a meme that my racist (but she won't admit it because she's "Christian" and very religious) Second Amendment (because we need to defend ourselves against criminals and oppressors) niece of the Princess of Spain, First Lady of France and Michell (no E) Obama from the rear, all wearing dresses (two slim sheaths and an a-line with a cropped jacket) captioned "Two Ferrari's and a Dump Truck" and trying to have a conversation about how it is body-shaming (not to mention racist, and discussing the comments about Serena Williams, the watermelon on the White House lawn cartoons before Obama ever even took office, Michelle Obama being compared to a gorilla, etc.) and the fact that this was posted by my "Christian" niece and that niece deleted the comment I made about how disappointed I was with her posting it because even if she didn't agree with the politics, it was body-shaming and women need to not do this. MIL still won't acknowledge the racism involved because "she is big and look at what they say about Rosie O'Donnell. She's not black." So whichever poster commented on how her mother seems to maybe possibly coming around to possibly seeing some of what is being said, that's why I liked your post. I've tried to have these conversations with my own, and the outrage that she might even be a little racist in her hatred of Pres. Obama is palpable. Because she raised me to be colorblind and therefore she can't be racist. (Just as I wasn't...until I realized I was.) I just keep on trying to fight the good fight because my granddaughters will hopefully learn from it, even if my parents don't.
I also had the Dorothy Dandridge meme come across my FB. I shared it and got radio silence. Maybe a couple likes but I am so sorry that you @queenmamadala were faced with a bigot and a bitch under the guise of "gentle guidance" or whatever the hell she was trying to accomplish. Of course, I don't have to deal with that because my conservative family has given up on me and as a white woman, not a WOC, people don't feel it is necessary to correct me. Just block me or ignore me, no harm no foul.
I don't live in a totally whitewashed area, although it's predominantly white. The minorities that surround me are diverse: Indian, Chinese, Japanese. There are very few black families. Those that I know are black men married to white (or in one case Mexican adopted by white missionaries) women raising bi-racial children, with problems and complexities that I was not aware of until I was schooled here. Of Kiddo's best friends, two are Indian and Muslim and one is a black (bi-racial) girl. They were (and are) just "my kids' friends" or "my friend's kids" and I never thought about what they dealt with, and we never discussed any of it because it's not something that ever crossed my "colorblind" mind before here. I never thought to talk to them about race and prejudice because it just wasn't a thing. We all lived the same lives in our bubble of suburbia. Or so I thought until the ladies here educated me in that even in the bubble of suburbia, it exists and my friends deal with it on a daily basis.
So, add me to those saying thank you and I am so sorry that it is necessary to educate us. Thank you for taking the time and having the patience. Hopefully in educating us, we can educate others and eventually SOMEDAY it will truly be a society where every color is celebrated.
(And meshaliuknits - you have family up here in WA and you didn't try to come up for the Seattle GTG. What the heck? How are we ever going to meet? I don't want to make a trip to California. That would mean I have to visit family in Sanger, dadblameit!)
(And meshaliuknits - you have family up here in WA and you didn't try to come up for the Seattle GTG. What the heck? How are we ever going to meet? I don't want to make a trip to California. That would mean I have to visit family in Sanger, dadblameit!)
No, no, no. I have ILs in WA. In Olalala or something like that. If they were in Seattle I might not hate visiting so much.
Happened to my Momma multiple times growing up. But she was known for cussing nosey white women the eff out and telling them she can talk to HER kids any damn way she pleased when any mistakenly took her for the maid.
I wish my mom would have cussed out the majority of my dad's (white) side of the family when they would insert their, "It's it so funny that you get called the nanny!"
I will say that even though I've benefitted from white privileges because I look so white it fucking sucks to hear racist comments because people don't think they're in mixed company. H's side of the family, I'm looking at you.
I'm glad I found this board at can read some great discussions here.
Happened to my Momma multiple times growing up. But she was known for cussing nosey white women the eff out and telling them she can talk to HER kids any damn way she pleased when any mistakenly took her for the maid.
I wish my mom would have cussed out the majority of my dad's (white) side of the family when they would insert their, "It's it so funny that you get called the nanny!"
I will say that even though I've benefitted from white privileges because I look so white it fucking sucks to hear racist comments because people don't think they're in mixed company. H's side of the family, I'm looking at you.
I'm glad I found this board at can read some great discussions here.
Me too! I'm the undercover SISTAH! But I've got my militant civil rights mother's instinct to speak up EVERY time. Even with a "why would you say that?" or "what makes you think it's right to say that?" or when I'm really hot "who are YOU that you think you've got any business or right saying that?"
I'm not sure white people will ever stop saying stupid shit, or having fragile feelings because unless you are a person of color, you will never ever get it. I check my privilege as a white Latina often, because there is no denying what I am and how that places me in society. Everyone needs to acknowledge their privilege, in order to be better. It is still frustrating as hell though, to see people shut others down because they just don't get it. It's like screaming at the top of your lungs, but no one hears you.
Oh and add me to the group of people who have been questioned about their children being theirs. Except, it was people questioning whether my mom was truly my mom. She couldn't possibly have a light skinned child! It hurts the most when it's from your own people too.
Post by emoflamingo on Aug 24, 2016 12:34:08 GMT -5
I also want to let people know I've been reading. I was not raised in a MC household by far and my school was pretty diverse, yet somehow I'm the outlier in my family when it comes to race and politics. Thank you for your patience and your guidance because lord knows some of us really need it.
I think one of the things that bothers me most is the dismissive nature that folks have when POC discuss racial issues. Andf I mean I get it based from our discussions here, that white folks I sincerely believe, thought there was some real benefit in the "colorblind" ideology.
I mean - it sounds good. Live up to Dr. King's dream about being judged on the content of your character. But, as we can all see, that didn't stop discrimination. It evolved. No one sees obvious white supremacists (well except they are out protesting today) much anymore. But, it does nothing to address systemic issues which is the thing black folks are busy pointing out. Because of that, I imagine that it must take some serious steps to really hear what minorities are saying.
So, this dismissive action by white folks is really a slap in the face. It's "I don't believe you. I don't trust your experience. You're lying." I'll be honest, this was very much the reason that I let TTT know that I was tired of it. Tired of folks telling me - especially when you don't live in MY world - where race applies. C'mon man. All the times I have to fight stereotypes. All the times I see disparate treatment. It's disingenuous.
"I didn't see it that way" "That's not the whole story" "There's got to be more to this story" "What did the alleged victim do to deserve it" "They had it coming" "Just another black on black crime" "We've got to let the justice system work" "Those people should be more involved in their community" "The way I see it". and my personal least favorite,"It's my opinion. I'm allowed to have more own opinion. Don't censor me!"
No fools, you don't get to have an opinion, or race issues, if it's just to use your voice to whitesplain what is and isn't racist to black folk. smh
I've just started reading this thread, because I've been busy elsewhere.
One of the things I've been busy with is slapping down at least SIX of these (don't see it that way, not the whole story, not the way I see it, etc etc etc) in my neighborhood moms facebook group.
A Black mom posted about (white, duh) strangers touching her son's hair. She even included an article about why it's all kinds of fucked up, and she STILL got a ton of, "welp, people like to touch babies and you need to just calm down."
"I didn't see it that way" "That's not the whole story" "There's got to be more to this story" "What did the alleged victim do to deserve it" "They had it coming" "Just another black on black crime" "We've got to let the justice system work" "Those people should be more involved in their community" "The way I see it". and my personal least favorite,"It's my opinion. I'm allowed to have more own opinion. Don't censor me!"
No fools, you don't get to have an opinion, or race issues, if it's just to use your voice to whitesplain what is and isn't racist to black folk. smh
I've just started reading this thread, because I've been busy elsewhere.
One of the things I've been busy with is slapping down at least SIX of these (don't see it that way, not the whole story, not the way I see it, etc etc etc) in my neighborhood moms facebook group.
A Black mom posted about (white, duh) strangers touching her son's hair. She even included an article about why it's all kinds of fucked up, and she STILL got a ton of, "welp, people like to touch babies and you need to just calm down."
Blood. Boiling.
I will never get that. People don't ask to touch MY kids' hair and I had a towhead with gorgeous blond hair, a brunette with the cutest Cindy Brady curls and a natural ginger with a head full of red (wavy not curly) hair.
I was selling GS cookies with my troop when something along these lines happened. One of the girls in my troop is a 9 year old black girl who has hair down to her waist. Her mom does her hair so beautifully that I'm in awe of the time it must take. Not to mention the shit she and her poor daughter bear because they're the nicest people you could ever hope to meet, and don't like to offend or upset others. So, we were selling cookies and a woman came up to look, and she started checking out the girl's hair and commenting on it. She ASKED IF SHE COULD TOUCH IT! I was like OMG, did I just hear that? I sooooo wanted to school her, but D's mom was there and so I let her take the lead on it. She okayed the woman touching it and answered questions. I asked her later "WTF? I'm sure she has to deal with that often, but you were okay with it? OMG, I wanted to go off the rails! How on earth do you deal with that?" I was so tempted to ask the woman if I could touch *her* hair because it was so red and fine. (Lol.)
Her older daughter is a new mom and just started working at a fast food place to earn some money. I saw her there but didn't readily recognize her (only saw her a few times in the past, as a young adult picking up her little sister.) Her hair looked very similar to something D's mom would style hers as and I was tempted to ask if I could photo it so I could send it to her, but I didn't because "rude." (She was sitting at the table next to us and all I could see was the top/back of her head while she was on lunch.) She came up to me before she went back on shift and asked if I remembered her and I was able to recall and say "OMG, thank God because I so wanted to take a photo of your hair and send it to your mom with a comment about how great it would look on D but I thought it might be rude. I was trying to figure out how to describe it to her so I didn't have to ask you if it would be okay." Her response was "Oh no, that's not rude. Rude is the people coming up and pulling on it to see if it stretches and bounces back in place."
Oh my freaking sweet baby Flying Spaghetti Monster. It boggles my mind.
Post by W.T.Faulkner on Aug 24, 2016 18:30:51 GMT -5
I had to facilitate a conversation circle on race at the school where I work today. The first fucking thing out of a new (white) teacher's mouth was that she's upset by the "reverse racism" she sees when white people are excluded from the Black Lives Matter Movement.
I was like, HOW IN THE FRESH FUCK IS THIS THE FIRST THING YOU SAY ON DAY 3 OF YOUR EMPLOYMENT!? But I had to remain neutral. And kindly redirect. And respect feelings.
I had to facilitate a conversation circle on race at the school where I work today. The first fucking thing out of a new (white) teacher's mouth was that she's upset by the "reverse racism" she sees when white people are excluded from the Black Lives Matter Movement.
I was like, HOW IN THE FRESH FUCK IS THIS THE FIRST THING YOU SAY ON DAY 3 OF YOUR EMPLOYMENT!? But I had to remain neutral. And kindly redirect. And respect feelings.
Some feelings shouldn't be respected.
See this shit up here, is why went I got asked to develop and facilitate more "One Day All Children" DCA sessions, I was like: Fuck it. I'm not giving up my Saturdays to shepherd young entitled assholes through their white fragility. Nope, I'd rather be napping at this point in life.
I was so thrilled that we were talking about race at all, since I feel like my school has failed on many levels to adequately address the topic. And then this shit happens, and I remember that regardless of how progressive I think we are as a school, there will always be comments like this, and people who believe things like this working with our children, and I can't think about that too long without burning out.
Post by WanderingWinoZ on Aug 24, 2016 19:22:53 GMT -5
i'm here & reading this - I was mostly mobile yesterday, but keeping up.
My heart hurts for all the pain & suffering that the WOC have been through on this board. I know you don't owe us white people explanations or correcting us endlessly, but I really appreciate all that you all bring to this board. Your stories, perspectives, lessons, and injustices are enlightening and changing hearts/minds. I'm a better person, motivated to do more & speak up more, because of my involvement in this community & I thank you. I will do my best to be more thoughtful IRL and online to fighting racism.
This was a question at my friend's black trivia night last week. This is another movie I can't wait to see. Although, honestly, I will be glad when we can get more quality present-day black movies. Historically, black people were amazing, but we're killing it right now, also.
My team won, natch .
!! The only person whose parenting advice ever interested me was my mother's...and even that, I'd only take on a good day. I trust my own instincts pretty much on all things, but especially as it relates to producing a quality human being.
I'm sorry to hear that some of you guys are struggling with this board. I say this with no shade to the white people or the POC, but I think you have to take this place for what it is, which is a predominantly white, predominantly American, predominantly MC to UMC message board. Would it be nice for everyone here to "get it?" Sure, but I'd never expect it. I don't expect white people to stop being content in their whiteness and all that it entails. It's like Muhammad Ali's take on white people as rattlesnakes. There are some white people who truly get it and are legitimate allies, but God knows, that number is small. This board is good for many things for me as a POC, but full understanding and empathy are not those things. And when it gets too ridiculous, I click the X and keep it moving. There are too many spaces on the web for POC to be mad about white people being white. But I live a pretty segregated life in the real world, so it just wouldn't occur to me to bop into some white women's crew and then be outraged that they don't understand my life as a WOC. Kudos to those of you fighting the good fight, I guess...but it doesn't seem to be doing much? I am glad the FB group has been created. Save
you and I are too much alike. Let's pretend that's a good thing. ;-)
I'm sorry that people continually find themselves with hurt feelings on the boards, but I really don't think it's reasonable to expect any different. I won't say more, because I do want to be supportive and I definitely don't want to give cover for any ignorant folks to start spouting hateful shit. I acknowledge that my perspective is skewed because I was raised by a pair of radicalized individuals who are more than likely on some sort of FBI watch list from the 60's. I come here to learn as much as anyone else, but I keep my expectations exceedingly low.
The thing is I don't expect more from the board or from boards as a whole. I do find myself too often lured into thinking things are going swimmingly with people I meet in that way, in a group that I become close with off board, that I meet and share all kinds of stories and experiences with day in and day out and then a year or four later, huh, turns out all this time I've just been their sassy black friend.
And this happens in real life too. They are cool with years of my pointing out racism in others and outside situations but when the microscope comes too close and they fact that I "know" them doesn't save them from my wtf reaction then, oh. OH.
Oh indeed.
And it's not as if I've carried on for years not turning the mirror in their faces. It's just, I guess when it's more difficult to confront, when it's some way they do not agree is racist, that's the end.
Which is pretty much the reaction TTT had. She's been confronted before but when it was a really good example that she couldn't so sorry her way out of, she bailed on the people who have been her friends, both close and nominally in a huge, albeit silent way.