URL's only - no more copy and pasting articles

[pixy0stix]

It was brought up in the "What now" thread that we need to start paying subscriptions for news services. In the coming years we're going to need the press to continue to do their jobs. They need to be paid for those jobs.

Also, FWIW, it's always been illegal how we operate here. We were stealing content.

From now on just provide the link to the article and a brief synopsis.

[thebulldog]

thank you! i was a newspaper reporter for 10 years before i was laid off. I am in a related biz but know many many many reporters who work hard to get the facts out there.

[downtoearth]

I'm fine with this, but it also limits some of us from participating because of internet controls at workplaces. So please be patient if someone wants a synopsis or description of something because they can't go to that link during certain hours.

[josieposy]

Agreed. Will do.

[SallyJ]

Will do.

[isabel]

Got it. Will do.

[wakka]

Thank you.

[sugarbear]

Good call.

[wawa]

excellent call.

[bimbi284]

Yup. I mostly post from my phone so c/p the whole article was tedious.
I am 100% on board with this.

Thanks.

[bex]

What if the article doesn't have a paywall? Like Huffpo or something!? Or is it just easier to have it as an across the board rule?

[MixedBerryJam]

Thank you for reminding me. A few months ago I discovered a way around the Washington Post paywall and have been reading that site to my heart's content. Off to buy as subscription now.

[MixedBerryJam]

Nov 9, 2016 14:32:37 GMT -5 bex said:

What if the article doesn't have a paywall? Like Huffpo or something!? Or is it just easier to have it as an across the board rule?

Even if it's on a free site I think we should direct people there because if they have one article of value, they likely have more. I think an across the board rule. Maybe for free sites the first few sentences, enough to give a theme, might be okay. but we really should go to the information owner's site to take advantage of their information.

[lexus]

Nov 9, 2016 14:36:06 GMT -5 MixedBerryJam said:

Nov 9, 2016 14:32:37 GMT -5 bex said:

What if the article doesn't have a paywall? Like Huffpo or something!? Or is it just easier to have it as an across the board rule?

Even if it's on a free site I think we should direct people there because if they have one article of value, they likely have more. I think an across the board rule. Maybe for free sites the first few sentences, enough to give a theme, might be okay. but we really should go to the information owner's site to take advantage of their information.

Technically it will help them make money too since they will have an authentic count of clicks, which will impact advertisers, etc

[niemand88f]

Nov 9, 2016 14:32:37 GMT -5 bex said:

What if the article doesn't have a paywall? Like Huffpo or something!? Or is it just easier to have it as an across the board rule?

I think it should apply to all sites - sites without paywalls need more traffic and page views to get better ad money

[pixy0stix]

It'll be applied across the board. As others stated, the sites use page views for various means, all of which help them keep running.

[MixedBerryJam]

Nov 9, 2016 14:57:18 GMT -5 lexus said:

Nov 9, 2016 14:36:06 GMT -5 MixedBerryJam said:

Even if it's on a free site I think we should direct people there because if they have one article of value, they likely have more. I think an across the board rule. Maybe for free sites the first few sentences, enough to give a theme, might be okay. but we really should go to the information owner's site to take advantage of their information.

Technically it will help them make money too since they will have an authentic count of clicks, which will impact advertisers, etc

I meant to add that, too. They get money for every click, and more traffic means more money per click and more money per click means more resources to get us to our endgame, no matter which issue we individually prioritize.

[was5]

Nov 9, 2016 16:05:10 GMT -5 MixedBerryJam said:

Nov 9, 2016 14:57:18 GMT -5 lexus said:

Technically it will help them make money too since they will have an authentic count of clicks, which will impact advertisers, etc

I meant to add that, too. They get money for every click, and more traffic means more money per click and more money per click means more resources to get us to our endgame, no matter which issue we individually prioritize.

Is there still a concern among journalists that the Huffington Post is non-union and uses lots of unpaid bloggers, which drives down pay across the board? I have a friend who is a journalist and she posted something on Facebook within the past year discouraging people from sharing their stories on FB. I tried to Google the issue but it seems like the boycott started in 2011 and has possibly been lifted.

[kme]

For the summary, which citation style should we use? MLA, APA??

[josieposy]

Asking here because someone may know. Do clicks/reads count for sites if you use a feed reader?

[downtoearth]

Nov 9, 2016 16:49:41 GMT -5 kme said:

For the summary, which citation style should we use? MLA, APA??

Which one doesn't reference page numbers unless necessary? That's my preferred reference, Smartass.

[wakka]

Nov 9, 2016 17:05:10 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Asking here because someone may know. Do clicks/reads count for sites if you use a feed reader?

I think it depends. We started using teasers on Apple News, which publishes via our RSS feed, because we weren't getting credit for the hits. Not sure about all feeders.

[sushi]

I think teasers ate OK. That's what I've always done. If you want to read the style, you click. But you won't click if it's only a link and you don't know what it contains

[weetabix]

Thanks - this is a really good point I hadn't given any thought to. I'm mostly a lurker here, but have definitely used the copied articles as the way around the paywalls on various sites after I hit my limit for the month. I just subscribed to the Post's digital edition. I'm afraid they'll be in Trump's cross hairs since they lost press credentials during the campaign based on their coverage.

[broadsheet]

Another thought: support journalists' unions! The Toledo Blade just authorized a strike and others within the Digital First Media chain (Denver Post is a big one) are hurting after the chain was purchased by a hedge fund. I can't imagine that DJT will be friendly toward unions at all.

Following The News Guild on Facebook is a good start:


m.facebook.com/NewsGuild/

[redheadbaker]

Nov 9, 2016 17:05:10 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Asking here because someone may know. Do clicks/reads count for sites if you use a feed reader?

For the most part, no. That's why a lot of bloggers started implementing the "Click to read the full post" link. 

[notreal]

What about Twitter (forgive me I am an old and literally only started using Twitter today) is it better to retweet or share from the article itself? Or does it matter?

[kershnic]

I just put the Washington Post digital subscription on my Christmas list for my family.

[Michelle]

Nov 9, 2016 16:17:00 GMT -5 was5 said:

Nov 9, 2016 16:05:10 GMT -5 MixedBerryJam said:

I meant to add that, too. They get money for every click, and more traffic means more money per click and more money per click means more resources to get us to our endgame, no matter which issue we individually prioritize.

Is there still a concern among journalists that the Huffington Post is non-union and uses lots of unpaid bloggers, which drives down pay across the board? I have a friend who is a journalist and she posted something on Facebook within the past year discouraging people from sharing their stories on FB. I tried to Google the issue but it seems like the boycott started in 2011 and has possibly been lifted.

not all of us are unilaterally pro union.

ETA you can allow unpaid bloggers who are still professional and providing high quality information to readers My friend is the head of Mana, a Latina organization in Washington. She is a HuffPo contributor speaking on behalf of the Hispanic community. She is well qualified, her pieces are never inflammatory or misleading, and are all fact checked. Union journalists might not like her contributing although she is a voice with valuable insight.

[broadsheet]

Nov 9, 2016 16:17:00 GMT -5 was5 said:

Nov 9, 2016 16:05:10 GMT -5 MixedBerryJam said:

I meant to add that, too. They get money for every click, and more traffic means more money per click and more money per click means more resources to get us to our endgame, no matter which issue we individually prioritize.

Is there still a concern among journalists that the Huffington Post is non-union and uses lots of unpaid bloggers, which drives down pay across the board? I have a friend who is a journalist and she posted something on Facebook within the past year discouraging people from sharing their stories on FB. I tried to Google the issue but it seems like the boycott started in 2011 and has possibly been lifted.

I'm a union journalist. To me it's not really an issue of union vs non-union, but if a company uses stringers and freelancers in place of full-time staff (i.e. ones who receive benefits.) The use of stringers is a huge issue, particularly in sports and among photogs.

HuffPo writers are unionized btw.