Anyone watch MAFS last night?

[cbwm1]

Spoilers, obvs.



Luke and Kate.

He’s showing some seriously abusive tendencies. Is she refusing to see this? Is she naive? A pushover?

I feel like the experts aren’t being aggressive enough with his bullshit and mixed signals.

[cleo29]

That was really fucked up and his explanation makes no sense to me. he has been drinking with and around his wife for weeks. gives her wine and then goes behind her back with this shit? I feel like he is trying to create a reason to leave without looking like the bad guy.

AJ seems like a lot. His comment about finally making his own decision for the first time in a month was hurtful and rude. He is an ass.

[cbwm1]

Feb 13, 2019 10:35:28 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

That was really fucked up and his explanation makes no sense to me. he has been drinking with and around his wife for weeks. gives her wine and then goes behind her back with this shit? I feel like he is trying to create a reason to leave without looking like the bad guy.

AJ seems like a lot. His comment about finally making his own decision for the first time in a month was hurtful and rude. He is an ass.

I agree with everything you said, Cleo. Like is just trying to push her away so she makes the decision to get divorced, he’ll say he wants to stay married, and then she’s the bad guy who broke his heart.

Also, OMG I’d forgotten about AJ’s temper tantrum! Idk how she puts up with his shit. He’s got a hair trigger temper and she needs to shut that shit down ASAP.

[whitemerlot]

Do you think AJ has had a head injury with the motorcycle accident in the past? It may explain his explosive behavior.

Luke just sucks. He is totally a liar and is trying to paint Kate in a bad light.

[meowmaps]

I seriously hate Luke. I fail to see the correlation between his friend being killed by a drunk driver and Kate drinking in social settings. Unless he saw her get behind the wheel while drunk, one thing has nothing to do with the other.

To your point cbwm1, I've been feeling sorry for Kate this whole time but when she was talking with her friends I started to wonder why she couldn't see the same red flags they were seeing. Kate needs to get out of her fog and stand up for herself.

I've enjoyed seeing Pastor Cal and Dr. Pepper take Luke to task though. They've been more stern with him than with anyone else I've ever seen on the show.

[cbwm1]

Feb 13, 2019 10:57:11 GMT -5 meowmaps said:

I seriously hate Luke. I fail to see the correlation between his friend being killed by a drunk driver and Kate drinking in social settings. Unless he saw her get behind the wheel while drunk, one thing has nothing to do with the other.

To your point cbwm1, I've been feeling sorry for Kate this whole time but when she was talking with her friends I started to wonder why she couldn't see the same red flags they were seeing. Kate needs to get out of her fog and stand up for herself.

I've enjoyed seeing Pastor Cal and Dr. Pepper take Luke to task though. They've been more stern with him than with anyone else I've ever seen on the show.

I can only hope Kate’s conversation with her friends planted a seed of doubt for her so she can finish out the 8 weeks with her eyes wide open.

[meowmaps]

Feb 13, 2019 11:00:34 GMT -5 cbwm1 said:

I can only hope Kate’s conversation with her friends planted a seed of doubt for her so she can finish out the 8 weeks with her eyes wide open.

Agreed!  These are people who genuinely care about her and are concerned by what they're hearing.  My H and I keep thinking about Kate in the context of what if that was our daughter, sister, friend, etc.?  I would be LIVID if someone I loved was being treated so carelessly and I don't think I'd be to stop myself from confronting Luke.  

[cleo29]

Feb 13, 2019 11:00:34 GMT -5 cbwm1 said:

Feb 13, 2019 10:57:11 GMT -5 meowmaps said:

I seriously hate Luke. I fail to see the correlation between his friend being killed by a drunk driver and Kate drinking in social settings. Unless he saw her get behind the wheel while drunk, one thing has nothing to do with the other.

To your point cbwm1 , I've been feeling sorry for Kate this whole time but when she was talking with her friends I started to wonder why she couldn't see the same red flags they were seeing. Kate needs to get out of her fog and stand up for herself.

I've enjoyed seeing Pastor Cal and Dr. Pepper take Luke to task though. They've been more stern with him than with anyone else I've ever seen on the show.

I can only hope Kate’s conversation with her friends planted a seed of doubt for her so she can finish out the 8 weeks with her eyes wide open.

i was happy that her friends were open and honest with her. i feel like in past seasons the friends and family have held back their opinions and her friends did not, which was great. I hope she starts to see it for what it is. She seems like a nice person ,she is beautiful and has so much going for her. lol

[Jalapeñomel]

Clearly, I’ve missed something big!

[melmel48]

Feb 13, 2019 19:09:31 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Clearly, I’ve missed something big!

Do you want a spoiler or are you going to watch it on demand?

[Jalapeñomel]

Feb 13, 2019 20:47:48 GMT -5 melmel48 said:

Feb 13, 2019 19:09:31 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Clearly, I’ve missed something big!

Do you want a spoiler or are you going to watch it on demand?

I did watch it last night on Roku! Luke sucks. 

[cleo29]

Feb 14, 2019 8:18:26 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Feb 13, 2019 20:47:48 GMT -5 melmel48 said:

Do you want a spoiler or are you going to watch it on demand?

I did watch it last night on Roku! Luke sucks. 

What bothers me is that he is nasty and bravely says all this shit behind her back and then completely backs down when confronted in person. i feel like he is building his reasons to walk away, while giving her mixed messages in the process.

[Jalapeñomel]

Feb 14, 2019 9:19:20 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

Feb 14, 2019 8:18:26 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

I did watch it last night on Roku! Luke sucks. 

What bothers me is that he is nasty and bravely says all this shit behind her back and then completely backs down when confronted in person. i feel like he is building his reasons to walk away, while giving her mixed messages in the process.

He's a coward. I can see him building up all this crazy stuff in his head, and then, one day, unleashing nonsensical stuff on her out of the blue, blindsiding her (which is what he's done now). 

[cleo29]

Feb 14, 2019 10:36:54 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Feb 14, 2019 9:19:20 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

What bothers me is that he is nasty and bravely says all this shit behind her back and then completely backs down when confronted in person. i feel like he is building his reasons to walk away, while giving her mixed messages in the process.

He's a coward. I can see him building up all this crazy stuff in his head, and then, one day, unleashing nonsensical stuff on her out of the blue, blindsiding her (which is what he's done now). 

It also has a gaslighting effect.  It can make you question what you know to be true.

[brooke77]

Luke sucks. He can’t possibly think she’s beautiful but then be so unattracted to her that he won’t kiss her. Kissing to me is NBD. If I found someone even decent looking, I would kiss him. Only if I was truly repulsed by someone would I not even be able to force myself to kiss him. He is clearly repulsed by her - which is fine - but stop telling her and the experts that you just want to take things slow, that she’s beautiful, that you think the attraction can grow. It’s never going to happen! His drinking problem accusation and reasoning was terrible! Also, when he was saying he has no type, that was totally false. He was saying he dated a Persian girl, a Latina, a half-black girl - to me, he clearly seems to prefer darker ladies.

I’ve hated AJ from the beginning. I don’t know how is wife deals with him. She deserves better.

[fernweh]

I don’t like AJ or Luke and I’m not feeling jasmine either. I like Keith and Kristine and think they might have a shot at making it. I agree Luke is making accusations so when they split it will look like her fault instead of his.

[peachy]

I still can't figure Luke's deal out and still want to strangle him.

AJ and what's her name seem like they might make it because she's so patient/accommodating, but that might also get old. I think if they had consistent counseling it would really help...he doesn't seem like a bad guy (disclosure: I missed last week, so he might be worse than I've seen) but like he needs help communicating and maturing in a way. You could tell by the way he talked about work (how he listens 80% and talks 20%) that it's something he's been talked to about before. It reminded me of a little kid repeating his parent's rules, lol.

[melmel48]

Feb 14, 2019 8:18:26 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Feb 13, 2019 20:47:48 GMT -5 melmel48 said:

Do you want a spoiler or are you going to watch it on demand?

I did watch it last night on Roku! Luke sucks. 

The fact that he said so much shit behind her back and expressed concern... then can't even give her examples when she asks. Followed by his excuse? oh EFF NO. She needs to run! 

[cleo29]

Feb 14, 2019 20:09:12 GMT -5 melmel48 said:

Feb 14, 2019 8:18:26 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

I did watch it last night on Roku! Luke sucks. 

The fact that he said so much shit behind her back and expressed concern... then can't even give her examples when she asks. Followed by his excuse? oh EFF NO. She needs to run! 

yeah, when you can't give examples of behavior so concerning that you tattle to the producers, I call bull shit.

[litskispeciality]

Finally saw this episode, it's so hard to tell if Kate really drinks that much because they film her drinking, but everyone drinks wine on the show. I agree that Luke is doing that narcissistic make you feel like it's your fault until you don't know what to think anymore. I really don't like him and wish that Kate wasn't so into the idea of being married that she'd see what's going on. I think her friends will help.

Did they confirm if Keith deleted the pictures after all that?

I don't like AJ, but I agree they could be ok with some counseling. To be fair to him I would have probably snapped about where to eat dinner. If he doesn't want to drink you can find another resturant with a TV to watch the stupid football game. He needs to communicate with her that he's hungry/hangary, not snap. I feel a little bad for her because she's supposed to just deal with his outbursts, and even if he apologizes it's still not ok, doesn't take back the outburst.

I agree about Jasmine, I'm not feeling her and feel like Will? could do better. Curious to see where they go with this weeks episode about the sharing of bills and such.

[cleo29]

litskispeciality, then AJ should have just said where he wanted to go. i hate when someone is hungry and then are not being helpful about where to go, it is annoying. lol

[eport]

I also watched the unflitered, where there is a combination of the experts and participants talking about/answering questions about the show and reactions to certain clips. I feel like the one this week was Dr. Pepper basically trying say without saying outright that Luke was not what they expected, that he was charming in casting but coming across differently now and wanting Kate to stand up for herself. It almost felt like she was pushing Kate to say no and end this thing.

[Jalapeñomel]

Feb 21, 2019 16:52:03 GMT -5 eport said:

I also watched the unflitered, where there is a combination of the experts and participants talking about/answering questions about the show and reactions to certain clips. I feel like the one this week was Dr. Pepper basically trying say without saying outright that Luke was not what they expected, that he was charming in casting but coming across differently now and wanting Kate to stand up for herself. It almost felt like she was pushing Kate to say no and end this thing.

Seems like they need to do better vetting, because this is really unacceptable. You’re setting two people up for MARRIAGE, you better take a long, hard look at people.

[peachy]

Feb 21, 2019 19:22:54 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Feb 21, 2019 16:52:03 GMT -5 eport said:

I also watched the unflitered, where there is a combination of the experts and participants talking about/answering questions about the show and reactions to certain clips. I feel like the one this week was Dr. Pepper basically trying say without saying outright that Luke was not what they expected, that he was charming in casting but coming across differently now and wanting Kate to stand up for herself. It almost felt like she was pushing Kate to say no and end this thing.

Seems like they need to do better vetting, because this is really unacceptable. You’re setting two people up for MARRIAGE, you better take a long, hard look at people.

This is why I'm suspicious of "charming" people, lol

I agree eport, I don't usually watch those episodes but that's how it was coming across and Kate seemed like she was seeing through Luke now.

[peachy]

I assume they talk to the people's friends and family as part of the vetting process? Maybe they should add talking to their exes too...get something from someone who doesn't want to flatter them.

[Jalapeñomel]

Feb 22, 2019 2:25:19 GMT -5 peachy said:

Feb 21, 2019 19:22:54 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Seems like they need to do better vetting, because this is really unacceptable. You’re setting two people up for MARRIAGE, you better take a long, hard look at people.

This is why I'm suspicious of "charming" people, lol

I agree eport, I don't usually watch those episodes but that's how it was coming across and Kate seemed like she was seeing through Luke now.

He hasn’t had a moment of “charming” on this show. It’s hard to imagine that the experts weren’t around him even to see through it.

[litskispeciality]

Feb 22, 2019 7:23:18 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Feb 22, 2019 2:25:19 GMT -5 peachy said:

This is why I'm suspicious of "charming" people, lol

I agree eport , I don't usually watch those episodes but that's how it was coming across and Kate seemed like she was seeing through Luke now.

He hasn’t had a moment of “charming” on this show. It’s hard to imagine that the experts weren’t around him even to see through it.

I mean even at the wedding he wasn't interested, although that has happened before where there was no instant attraction.  I'm a little worried the "experts" aren't getting his no kissing thing. I understand taking it slow with no sex, but no kissing. He said he hasn't taken any other relationship that slow. I still think he has another girlfriend or something else to hide and just wanted to get on the show.

[Jalapeñomel]

Feb 22, 2019 8:30:04 GMT -5 litskispeciality said:

Feb 22, 2019 7:23:18 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

He hasn’t had a moment of “charming” on this show. It’s hard to imagine that the experts weren’t around him even to see through it.

I mean even at the wedding he wasn't interested, although that has happened before where there was no instant attraction.  I'm a little worried the "experts" aren't getting his no kissing thing. I understand taking it slow with no sex, but no kissing. He said he hasn't taken any other relationship that slow. I still think he has another girlfriend or something else to hide and just wanted to get on the show.

There’s some speculation on IG that he may be gay. But I think that seems gross, as if his lack of attention must mean he likes men.

[cleo29]

Feb 22, 2019 10:59:19 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Feb 22, 2019 8:30:04 GMT -5 litskispeciality said:

I mean even at the wedding he wasn't interested, although that has happened before where there was no instant attraction.  I'm a little worried the "experts" aren't getting his no kissing thing. I understand taking it slow with no sex, but no kissing. He said he hasn't taken any other relationship that slow. I still think he has another girlfriend or something else to hide and just wanted to get on the show.

There’s some speculation on IG that he may be gay. But I think that seems gross, as if his lack of attention must mean he likes men.

i wondered this too, but not because he does not find her attractive, just a feeling i was getting. But, I can definitely be wrong. I think he's an ass, that is for sure.