He isn't invested in his kingdom. He isn't actively managing anything there. He shows up, asks about a dragon and then wanders off to think about it a bit. His only selling point is that he knows some stuff. He's basically a half assed master of whispers.
Regardless of what Tyrion said, his story isn't all that (better story than Sansa who was cast about, then imprisoned in her own castle and rose to be queen? Better than the bastard who turned out be the rightful heir, lead the battles which saved the kingdom and rose from the dead? Better than Arya, born to be a lady, became an assassin and killed the night king?) He fell out of window and then made everyone cart him around and even die for him while he was barely communicative.
And when his half assed rule ends, yes, his kid won't take power, but some other person who has kids will be elected so they are just kicking the can down the road. Unless celibacy is now a criteria for leadership in Westeros just like for so much else in those books. GRRM really fetishized involuntary celibacy.
Not to mention he can sometimes see the future and seems to know how things are supposed to shake out but couldn't give anyone the heads up on Dany buring the shit out of Kings Landing? What exactly is he supposed to provide?
I've never really understood what Bran can see. Like obviously he sees the past, but can he see the current and the future? Sometimes he implies he does
He isn't invested in his kingdom. He isn't actively managing anything there. He shows up, asks about a dragon and then wanders off to think about it a bit. His only selling point is that he knows some stuff. He's basically a half assed master of whispers.
Regardless of what Tyrion said, his story isn't all that (better story than Sansa who was cast about, then imprisoned in her own castle and rose to be queen? Better than the bastard who turned out be the rightful heir, led the battles which saved the kingdom and rose from the dead? Better than Arya, born to be a lady, became an assassin and killed the night king?) He fell out of window and then made everyone cart him around and die for him while he was barely communicative.
And when his half assed rule ends, yes, his kid won't take power, but some other person who has kids will be elected so they are just kicking the can down the road. Unless celibacy is now a criteria for leadership in Westeros just like for so much else in those books. GRRM really fetishized involuntary celibacy.
Not to mention he can sometimes see the future and seems to know how things are supposed to shake out but couldn't give anyone the heads up on Dany buring the shit out of Kings Landing? What exactly is he supposed to provide?
It's like he was waiting until they killed everyone off since he knew he'd take power. And if his scope is broad enough to find a dragon who flew out west overseas, perhaps Arya could use a little of that insight.
(And wtf Arya - talk to the iron born before you go cavorting off in your ship. I bet they know what's out there and can get you there without dying.)
I've never really understood what Bran can see. Like obviously he sees the past, but can he see the current and the future? Sometimes he implies he does
in the episode where he becomes the 3ER, he has a vision of a dragon's shadow flying over King's Landing. so I think he sometimes sees the future, but they're inconsistent about it. like when he said he doesn't know if dragon fire will kill the Night King because "no one has tried it yet." fool, you have ONE JOB.
I hope Sansa decides to have kids but not get married and claim they are fathered by a direwolf a la Mormonts/bears. I don’t think that ever really made it into the show but that’s how it’s going in my head.
Not to mention he can sometimes see the future and seems to know how things are supposed to shake out but couldn't give anyone the heads up on Dany buring the shit out of Kings Landing? What exactly is he supposed to provide?
It's like he was waiting until they killed everyone off since he knew he'd take power. And if his scope is broad enough to find a dragon who flew out west overseas, perhaps Arya could use a little of that insight.
(And wtf Arya - talk to the iron born before you go cavorting off in your ship. I bet they know what's out there and can get you there without dying.)
Instead the threatens to cut the iron queens throat for talking shit about her brother. Lmao.
I hope Sansa decides to have kids but not get married and claim they are fathered by a direwolf a la Mormonts/bears. I don’t think that ever really made it into the show but that’s how it’s going in my head.
I think in some of the history material there were a few men that took their wives name/banner so there's precedent for that in Westeros and I feel like that's easy enough for her to accomplish if she decides to look for a consort.
Dany never actually sat down on the throne, did she? She just touched it?
I knew that Drogon had a special connection to her and thus knew when she died and how to find her but I was really surprised that he understood that the throne was the reason for her demise and then he torched it. I assume a smart dragon is how it was forged in the first place though huh?
I was really surprised that she was all lovey dovey towards Jon, trying to convince him to just embrace their destiny as a Targ power couple. I thought after he rejected her in the previous episode that she was over him and he was not long for this world.
I love Sansa as queen of the North, but do you think she will just reign as a single lady all her life or eventually take a husband and have babies that can take over the throne when she dies? Who else would there be?
I've been thinking about this. She could pull a Queen Elizabeth and not want to marry because either she's a northerner who doesn't trust outsiders or she wants to maintain an equilibrium and not favor one house or whatever. She could marry Robin Arryn, a la Lysa's wishes (kind of) since she seems to have the support of the Vale anyway, but Robin is kind of an outsider.
I think the series has been a lot about family and legacy. Tywin was probably the best example of that, of wanting his house and kids to succeed to the point of evilness, TBH. But with breaking the wheel (and the fact that so many old families are now non-existent) I think they really de-emphasized genes and inheritance. Jon is freaking Aegon Targaryan VI and he's off living his best life in the wild. Bran can't have kids, but he's the king anyway. It's not about what happens in 20-50 years. It's what happens now. You can still be a good leader and influence things now and worry about succession, sure, but not make it your overwhelming priority.
I hope Sansa decides to have kids but not get married and claim they are fathered by a direwolf a la Mormonts/bears. I don’t think that ever really made it into the show but that’s how it’s going in my head.
I think in some of the history material there were a few men that took their wives name/banner so there's precedent for that in Westeros and I feel like that's easy enough for her to accomplish if she decides to look for a consort.
I think that’s the other alternative which has precedent in the north/Stark line. I just like the dire wolves/bear thing because it’s funny to me for Sansa to not bother with a husband and instead just be like “yeah Here’s my kid. Her father is a direwolf.”
I'd like to know how Tyrion thought the Unsullied would be fine moving to the Reach to...establish houses of their own. As eunuchs.
That's what I said!! Man, my H and I were laughing so hard at that part, and that no one pointed out the flaw in that suggestion.
It reminded me of the Shakers. Good idea for a religious sect, except the celibacy means you really need to push the recruitment hard... yet that requirement is also a barrier to recruitment. Establish great houses in the Reach that are destined to die off in a few decades!
I've never really understood what Bran can see. Like obviously he sees the past, but can he see the current and the future? Sometimes he implies he does
I think he can see everything in the past, can see what's happening in the present if he actively seeks it (like warging into something so he can be in another place and see what's going on), and then for the future it's like ESP or whatever psychic abilities real people claim to have. It's not a clear future and he doesn't necessarily know what happens, but it's more of a vision/flash of something.
So I am guessing that he didn't actually know Dany was going to torch everything, even if he had a glimpse of Kings Landing in ashes. However, even with a glimpse, he could have said something... unless he feels that it's not his place to try to change the future? But I guess if that's the case, he's going to be the most passive king that ever lived, so IDK.
The way the actor has played the character (and the way his lines have been written) it seems like he cares somewhat about humans surviving, but really focuses more on observation than on DOING anything. So I have no idea how he's going to be a good king. If anything I'd think he'd just sit back and squint at people while Tyrion and the rest of the small council actually make decisions and do the work.
Tyrion didn't suggest the Unsullied move to the Reach, Ser Davos did. I mean, it's still a stupid suggestion for all kinds of reasons, it just wasn't Tyrion's stupid suggestion.
I cackled at length when Edmure hit his scabbard on the tent frame (or the chair) before he sat down (after Sansa shot him down). Classic comic relief lol
"Why would you ruin perfectly good peanuts by adding candy corn? That's like saying hey, I have these awesome nachos, guess I better add some dryer lint." - Nonny
I cackled at length when Edmure hit his scabbard on the tent frame (or the chair) before he sat down (after Sansa shot him down). Classic comic relief lol
I completely forgot Tobias was in GOT. He was fantastic in Outlander
I cackled at length when Edmure hit his scabbard on the tent frame (or the chair) before he sat down (after Sansa shot him down). Classic comic relief lol
I completely forgot Tobias was in GOT. He was fantastic in Outlander
Yeah, he's been busy elsewhere the last couple of seasons. I was like, "Frank! Good to see you!"
I'm pretty sure that his little speech was the first dialogue he's ever had on the show.
Tyrion didn't suggest the Unsullied move to the Reach, Ser Davos did. I mean, it's still a stupid suggestion for all kinds of reasons, it just wasn't Tyrion's stupid suggestion.
You're correct - I did a re-watch today. I'm still a bit WTF over everything that happened post Jon stabbing Dany. Some of it works, some I'm still not sold on.
I cackled at length when Edmure hit his scabbard on the tent frame (or the chair) before he sat down (after Sansa shot him down). Classic comic relief lol
Post by anastasia517 on May 21, 2019 17:11:03 GMT -5
I’m surprised so many people liked Sansa telling off Edmure. It doesn’t make any sense, unless we want to accept that she has just become a snarky, bitchy character. He is her uncle, from a family where the words are “Family, Duty, Honour”. He is the only family left from her parents’ generation. He is a Lord Paramount - pissing him off is stupid. He recognized Robb as King, fought for him, married a Frey to try to smooth things over after Robb broke his betrothal. He was held captive for YEARS because of her brother’s decision. He has a hell of a lot more experience than Bran or her. She has been taught over and over that courtesy is a type of armour (well, not so much in the show where she and Littlefinger were made into idiots who didn’t know how to keep a secret or make people think you’re on their side). It was a stupid decision in an episode filled with stupid things.
Plus, why did nobody react when Bran said he came all that way to be named king? If he can tell the future, he knew what pulling Jon and Dany apart would do and let her burn the city anyway. He said a few episodes ago that he can’t be lord of anything. Why would the southerners support him after his comments when he has never been south of Winterfell before? He is almost a godlike figure of a different religion and claims to be magic. People hated that Robb was a warg and didn’t trust him having a wolf, going as far as to start rumours about dark magic and the Starks being beastlings and abominations. The council members also didn’t even make sense, with inconsistent numbers from all over and only a handful of smaller lords and the like.
The more I think about this, the less I understand it.
anastasia517 I agree with this. That whole council meeting was a complete mess for me. Every part of it felt stilted and dumbed down.
I was re-watching the first part of that episode at lunch, thinking how beautiful the imagery was, who the speeches flowed nicely, and then Drogon flies off with Dany, and it seemed like a beautiful ending.
I know they had to tie up loose ends after that, and show the Starks in their various future adventures. But that council meeting was a real stinker in every way.
I’m surprised so many people liked Sansa telling off Edmure. It doesn’t make any sense, unless we want to accept that she has just become a snarky, bitchy character. He is her uncle, from a family where the words are “Family, Duty, Honour”. He is the only family left from her parents’ generation. He is a Lord Paramount - pissing him off is stupid. He recognized Robb as King, fought for him, married a Frey to try to smooth things over after Robb broke his betrothal. He was held captive for YEARS because of her brother’s decision. He has a hell of a lot more experience than Bran or her. She has been taught over and over that courtesy is a type of armour (well, not so much in the show where she and Littlefinger were made into idiots who didn’t know how to keep a secret or make people think you’re on their side). It was a stupid decision in an episode filled with stupid things.
Plus, why did nobody react when Bran said he came all that way to be named king? If he can tell the future, he knew what pulling Jon and Dany apart would do and let her burn the city anyway. He said a few episodes ago that he can’t be lord of anything. Why would the southerners support him after his comments when he has never been south of Winterfell before? He is almost a godlike figure of a different religion and claims to be magic. People hated that Robb was a warg and didn’t trust him having a wolf, going as far as to start rumours about dark magic and the Starks being beastlings and abominations. The council members also didn’t even make sense, with inconsistent numbers from all over and only a handful of smaller lords and the like.
The more I think about this, the less I understand it.
Did you miss the episode where Ser Jaime Lannister used him to force the Riverrun garrison led by the Blackfish to surrender? He was told he had to marry one of the Frey girls and the only thing he focused on was how attractive his new wife would be. etc. Edmure was a pretty weak character, which is why his little speech about being the king was so laughable.
"Why would you ruin perfectly good peanuts by adding candy corn? That's like saying hey, I have these awesome nachos, guess I better add some dryer lint." - Nonny
Show Edmure is a completely useless dummy and Sansa absolutely 100% outranks his tired, weak ass. That was legit the only enjoyable moment of that council mess.