“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,”
She lied about being pregnant to give her husband peace which made sense to me.
Overall I found this narrative fit into the larger story about corruption and dysfunction.
Oh ok. I thought she actually was given that she was vomiting in the middle of the night in that first episode.
The previews for the next episode show her touching her belly and it looks like she has a small bump. I think she actually IS pregnant.
I was frustrated with her too. On one hand I totally get it, and she may not have been all that informed. But the nurse specifically told her, multiple times, what to do. She can't really say she didn't know. I'd have a really hard time staying away from my H while he was dying, too, so I understand she was in a tough place. But also I wish she had been more careful.
Then again, I've been frustrated the whole series so far with how few precautions everyone has taken. Touching stuff with bare hands, walking close to the reactor with no protection, etc. I guess maybe they knew, but didn't KNOW?
I didn't realize the character was based on a real person. I was thinking they'd added her to add to the drama and complete lack of awareness of the dangers.
I didn't realize the character was based on a real person. I was thinking they'd added her to add to the drama and complete lack of awareness of the dangers.
Based on the podcast, everyone is based closely on real people except the female scientist, who is an amalgamation of people.
“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,”
I didn't realize the character was based on a real person. I was thinking they'd added her to add to the drama and complete lack of awareness of the dangers.
Based on the podcast, everyone is based closely on real people except the female scientist, who is an amalgamation of people.
I am going to have to listen to this. It sounds really interesting.
The real Lyudmilla Ignatenko was actually about 6.5 months pregnant at the time of the accident. Won't say what else I read, her story will be given in full, I'm sure.
Oh ok. I thought she actually was given that she was vomiting in the middle of the night in that first episode.
The previews for the next episode show her touching her belly and it looks like she has a small bump. I think she actually IS pregnant.
I was frustrated with her too. On one hand I totally get it, and she may not have been all that informed. But the nurse specifically told her, multiple times, what to do. She can't really say she didn't know. I'd have a really hard time staying away from my H while he was dying, too, so I understand she was in a tough place. But also I wish she had been more careful.
Then again, I've been frustrated the whole series so far with how few precautions everyone has taken. Touching stuff with bare hands, walking close to the reactor with no protection, etc. I guess maybe they knew, but didn't KNOW?
They didn’t really know. It’s hard to imagine now because it seems so obvious to us.
The previews for the next episode show her touching her belly and it looks like she has a small bump. I think she actually IS pregnant.
I was frustrated with her too. On one hand I totally get it, and she may not have been all that informed. But the nurse specifically told her, multiple times, what to do. She can't really say she didn't know. I'd have a really hard time staying away from my H while he was dying, too, so I understand she was in a tough place. But also I wish she had been more careful.
Then again, I've been frustrated the whole series so far with how few precautions everyone has taken. Touching stuff with bare hands, walking close to the reactor with no protection, etc. I guess maybe they knew, but didn't KNOW?
They didn’t really know. It’s hard to imagine now because it seems so obvious to us.
Yeah, the lack of precautions makes you want to yell at everyone in frustration, but I think that's the point...that these people were woefully uninformed (or in denial in some cases) about the severity of what they were dealing with. And not just the laypeople like the pregnant wife, but the first responders, the medical staff, etc. There was the scene when the fire first starts where a hospital nurse is looking out the window at it and asks if their hospital stocks iodine pills and the doctor's response was 'no, why would we?' Or when a nurse is treating a firefighter's burns like normal burns and has to be yelled at to take the guy's clothes and gear off because they are contaminated. I don't know how much is for dramatic effect, but I do think a lot of people were clueless about radiation effects at that time and place. Even when very explicitly told how dangerous it was, they just had no ability to really grasp it.
Post by katieinthecity on May 23, 2019 7:33:04 GMT -5
We made the mistake of starting the first episode at 11:30 last night. I think DH just wanted to see what it was about, but we were hooked immediately. YAWN.
One of the terrifying effects of watching this show now is that I'm relating it to the current administration and how incompetent it is. Not that the people involved in Chernobyl were incompetent - I think it was just not knowing, maybe some willful ignorance that it could be THAT bad - but still the effect is the same. I fully don't trust that our top officials could handle something of this magnitude. I swear HBO put this out now as a warning for us all.
I'll remove my tin foil cap now.
I'm really enjoying watching this. I didn't know how many of the characters were based on real people, other than the lady physicist was a mesh of a few people.
One of the terrifying effects of watching this show now is that I'm relating it to the current administration and how incompetent it is. Not that the people involved in Chernobyl were incompetent - I think it was just not knowing, maybe some willful ignorance that it could be THAT bad - but still the effect is the same. I fully don't trust that our top officials could handle something of this magnitude. I swear HBO put this out now as a warning for us all.
I'll remove my tin foil cap now.
I'm really enjoying watching this. I didn't know how many of the characters were based on real people, other than the lady physicist was a mesh of a few people.
Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I've seen digs/references about the Trump administration in a lot of shows - from both the drama and comedy perspectives.
One of the terrifying effects of watching this show now is that I'm relating it to the current administration and how incompetent it is. Not that the people involved in Chernobyl were incompetent - I think it was just not knowing, maybe some willful ignorance that it could be THAT bad - but still the effect is the same. I fully don't trust that our top officials could handle something of this magnitude. I swear HBO put this out now as a warning for us all.
I'll remove my tin foil cap now.
I'm really enjoying watching this. I didn't know how many of the characters were based on real people, other than the lady physicist was a mesh of a few people.
They did, sort of. The writers were interested in doing something that reflected the "global war on truth" that is going on.
I've really enjoyed it, but it took a full 2 episodes for me to get over the British accents.
I never understand when people say things like this about movies or tv shows. I mean, it's an American-British joint production. Most (if not all?) the actors are British. What would be preferable? American accents? English speaking actors doing bad Russian accents? Russian speaking actors and having the production subtitled?
I've really enjoyed it, but it took a full 2 episodes for me to get over the British accents.
I never understand when people say things like this about movies or tv shows. I mean, it's an American-British joint production. Most (if not all?) the actors are British. What would be preferable? American accents? English speaking actors doing bad Russian accents? Russian speaking actors and having the production subtitled?
No, I get it. And I get that fake Russian accents are hard to make sound not comical. It's just weird to hear someone calling someone else "comrade" in a British accent.
I've really enjoyed it, but it took a full 2 episodes for me to get over the British accents.
I never understand when people say things like this about movies or tv shows. I mean, it's an American-British joint production. Most (if not all?) the actors are British. What would be preferable? American accents? English speaking actors doing bad Russian accents? Russian speaking actors and having the production subtitled?
In the first podcast they talked about the accent decision. Because they wanted to focus on the words not the faux accents, they decided to let everyone use their natural accent and the viewers would get over it. And they went light on comrade at first, but were corrected by their culture consultants because it really was used that often.
Twitter thread talking about the accuracy of the production design:
"I have just finished watching Episode 1 of Chernobyl on @hbo. My perspective is that of someone born and raised in the Soviet Union who has vivid memories of 1986, the catastrophe itself and how it was handled by the Soviet politicians and the state media..."
Post by centralsquare on May 26, 2019 7:45:00 GMT -5
For those interested in the current state of nuclear industry: my friend was the head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, oversaw the Fukushima response, and eventually concluded that the nuclear industry should be banned. And in a surprise to no one, he was smeared and ousted by the nuclear industry/GOP.
For those interested in the current state of nuclear industry: my friend was the head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, oversaw the Fukushima response, and eventually concluded that the nuclear industry should be banned. And in a surprise to no one, he was smeared and ousted by the nuclear industry/GOP.
He's a great guy. It makes me sick, what happened to him.
He wasn’t “smeared”. He was a pompous ass who came in to the agency with the goal from day 1 to end the industry. He didn't govern with science or reason. He earned his reputation. I sat with him at dinner once during his term and as a nuclear engineer was disgusted with him.
For those interested in the current state of nuclear industry: my friend was the head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, oversaw the Fukushima response, and eventually concluded that the nuclear industry should be banned. And in a surprise to no one, he was smeared and ousted by the nuclear industry/GOP.
He's a great guy. It makes me sick, what happened to him.
He wasn’t “smeared”. He was a pompous ass who came in to the agency with the goal from day 1 to end the industry. He didn't govern with science or reason. He earned his reputation. I sat with him at dinner once during his term and as a nuclear engineer was disgusted with him.
It sounds like you have a pretty different perspective. I know him well, and I know what you’re saying not to be true, as far as his motivations. He’s a smart, great guy. I’m sorry you had a bad experience with him.
And you don’t know the half of how he was treated, what happened to him, or to his family. He didn’t earn that treatment, not for a second.
I was in 6th grade when i happened, and in one of the three Manhattan Project towns. The dangers of radiation were well known in the US. Chernobyl caused a lot of very anxious kids in my town, and several of us had fathers (yes, mostly men) who were involved in the aftermath. It also caused little kids like me to be inspired to be nuclear engineers when we grew up, but I don’t think any of us actually did 😔 I had a fried s father talk me out of it just before I accepted college.
They didn’t really know. It’s hard to imagine now because it seems so obvious to us.
Yeah, the lack of precautions makes you want to yell at everyone in frustration, but I think that's the point...that these people were woefully uninformed (or in denial in some cases) about the severity of what they were dealing with. And not just the laypeople like the pregnant wife, but the first responders, the medical staff, etc. There was the scene when the fire first starts where a hospital nurse is looking out the window at it and asks if their hospital stocks iodine pills and the doctor's response was 'no, why would we?' Or when a nurse is treating a firefighter's burns like normal burns and has to be yelled at to take the guy's clothes and gear off because they are contaminated. I don't know how much is for dramatic effect, but I do think a lot of people were clueless about radiation effects at that time and place. Even when very explicitly told how dangerous it was, they just had no ability to really grasp it.
In the podcast, they explain that most people were on a 'need to know' basis about the radiation stuff, so its pretty plausible that much of this was not exagerrated or that people were told that it was completely safe.