We visited my family this weekend, which is always exhausting. There is more family drama with my dad and money and there's just no way this ends happily for anyone.
But, my grandmother was able to come, and it was so nice to see her. I didn't even mind that the two Trumpy uncles I try to avoid were there. It was a nice family day, especially since I didn't know about the black cloud until we left when DH told me what was going on.
We went to my sister's restaurant for brunch on Sunday and had life-changing avocado toast. I'm obsessed with it.
Oooo - what are the ingredients? I love avocado toast and try to replicate restaurant versions at home.
We visited my family this weekend, which is always exhausting. There is more family drama with my dad and money and there's just no way this ends happily for anyone.
But, my grandmother was able to come, and it was so nice to see her. I didn't even mind that the two Trumpy uncles I try to avoid were there. It was a nice family day, especially since I didn't know about the black cloud until we left when DH told me what was going on.
We went to my sister's restaurant for brunch on Sunday and had life-changing avocado toast. I'm obsessed with it.
Oooo - what are the ingredients? I love avocado toast and try to replicate restaurant versions at home.
According to the menu: smashed avocado, mexican street corn, tomato, feta cheese, cilantro, lime, toasted sour dough bread.
Post by downtoearth on Aug 19, 2019 15:45:13 GMT -5
I am feeling the Sunday night concert that I went to last night in another town... I am so tired right now. It was a great time, amazing music, outdoor venue on a river, and beautiful sunset. Two girlfriends and I had a blast... including drinking after in a park and jumping on a trampoline and generally just connecting. But since it was a Sunday night, we had to get up and drive 2 hours to head back to work before 10am. Now I am dragging b/c staying up until almost 3am and then working for an hour in the morning from 6-7 before leaving, means I got 3 hours of sleep. That is too little. Early bedtime tonight for me.
I think what organizations generally mean by "goals" is a work goal. So not "I want to be CEO someday and have a long and fulfilling career helping people" but "I will design and implement a new process for new employee orientation by the deadline of 9/16/19. I will do this by doing X, Y, and Z. I will measure success in this program through a survey to assess new employees' knowledge and comfort with organizational information". You can include personal goals if you want to, but it's also completely normal and expected to mostly focus on work product/projects.
Also that blows about your paycheck, i'm sorry. My job also issues a paper check for the first check, and I actually got my first three checks that way. So... hopefully yours goes better, lol. It's freaking annoying to have to wait!
But I don't have work goals. I do the things that people ask me to do, I take initiative to get my job done in a more efficient way when possible, sometimes I come up with creative ideas, but mostly I just get my work done. I am widely praised throughout the organization, so it's not as if my lack of goals is in some way defining the work product I'm putting out. I am good at my job and I care, mostly because I don't like looking like a moron, but my job is a way that I earn money and it's really nothing more than that to me. If I didn't need to work to sustain my lifestyle, I wouldn't.
Anyway, I get why organizations do it and what they're looking for, but it's something I struggle with because I honestly just don't have goals for work. I am more than happy to do whatever it is that the organization deems necessary or wants me to be involved in. I feel like that's enough for me.
Continued to provide high quality X in a timely manner. Provide superb customer service in response to requests for Y, with 100% on time response
But I don't have work goals. I do the things that people ask me to do, I take initiative to get my job done in a more efficient way when possible, sometimes I come up with creative ideas, but mostly I just get my work done. I am widely praised throughout the organization, so it's not as if my lack of goals is in some way defining the work product I'm putting out. I am good at my job and I care, mostly because I don't like looking like a moron, but my job is a way that I earn money and it's really nothing more than that to me. If I didn't need to work to sustain my lifestyle, I wouldn't.
Anyway, I get why organizations do it and what they're looking for, but it's something I struggle with because I honestly just don't have goals for work. I am more than happy to do whatever it is that the organization deems necessary or wants me to be involved in. I feel like that's enough for me.
Continued to provide high quality X in a timely manner. Provide superb customer service in response to requests for Y, with 100% on time response
What about looking at it more strategically? This is what I did a few years ago and it really helps during performance reviews because it's not just tactical (do the components of my job) but shows how my role feeds into the larger organization. I have something about helping maintain standard business practices, looking for opportunities to improve operational efficiency, etc. So take the work you do and take it up a level to show how it folds into the bigger picture.
But I don't have work goals. I do the things that people ask me to do, I take initiative to get my job done in a more efficient way when possible, sometimes I come up with creative ideas, but mostly I just get my work done. I am widely praised throughout the organization, so it's not as if my lack of goals is in some way defining the work product I'm putting out. I am good at my job and I care, mostly because I don't like looking like a moron, but my job is a way that I earn money and it's really nothing more than that to me. If I didn't need to work to sustain my lifestyle, I wouldn't.
Anyway, I get why organizations do it and what they're looking for, but it's something I struggle with because I honestly just don't have goals for work. I am more than happy to do whatever it is that the organization deems necessary or wants me to be involved in. I feel like that's enough for me.
If your organization requires you to write goals, your supervisor should help you come up with some. It can even be things like "complete all project proposals on time and with 100% accuracy". Which I agree is a bullshit goal, lol, but it gives them something to measure your performance against. Or if you have something you need to learn to do better i.e." learn how to use pivot tables in Excel". Or "attend X conference to learn more about Y". Your goal can even be to just keep doing the same stuff you are doing "respond to internal customer requests within 1 business day". Most people aren't literally doing only and exactly what's written in their job description, so it's also another way to define and show what you're doing.
I definitely have mixed feelings on most performance management tools, but I think there is a misconception about the point of goals if people think they have much of anything to do with your intrinsic WHY you are working. Yes, we are all working because we want a paycheck. But what are we DOING at work and what steps can we take to do it better? That's what goals are for.
FWIW I hate writing them too!
My boss definitely does help and I have gotten better about it by focusing my goals on specific things, generally one geared toward my own self-education in my industry, one toward gaining knowledge about the work my company does (this is a different industry than my job function), and then generally something related to the secondary part of my job. It's gotten easier as I've made it more formulaic and my boss does help with ideas.
But I still just find the whole concept annoying and think the wording should be rephrased because it definitely gives the impression of writing goals about *why* you work, which is just dumb.
cc: @princessbubbleyum. That's basically what I've done, along with focusing on my own education outside of my organization so that I can contribute more.
But I don't have work goals. I do the things that people ask me to do, I take initiative to get my job done in a more efficient way when possible, sometimes I come up with creative ideas, but mostly I just get my work done. I am widely praised throughout the organization, so it's not as if my lack of goals is in some way defining the work product I'm putting out. I am good at my job and I care, mostly because I don't like looking like a moron, but my job is a way that I earn money and it's really nothing more than that to me. If I didn't need to work to sustain my lifestyle, I wouldn't.
Anyway, I get why organizations do it and what they're looking for, but it's something I struggle with because I honestly just don't have goals for work. I am more than happy to do whatever it is that the organization deems necessary or wants me to be involved in. I feel like that's enough for me.
Continued to provide high quality X in a timely manner. Provide superb customer service in response to requests for Y, with 100% on time response
I know what goals are and how to write them. But I think stuff like this is *really* dumb and pointless. I already do those things. If I didn't, I wouldn't be getting A's across the board on my performance evaluation. And if you're not doing those things, you should be on a performance improvement plan. Those shouldn't be goals.
Yeah, the issue here isn't how or what to write. The issue is that writing goals is a stupid practice that wastes people's time.
Huh. I have yet to meet an annual review evaluation form that didn't make me want to jump off a bridge, but the idea of having concrete goals isnt dumb inherently. The way it's expressed and often the form involved is utter nonsense...but I like goals. I write down personal goals all the time. I don't necessarily fill out a whole worksheet on how s.m.a.r.t. it is...and I certainly don't explain how it aligns to company initiatives, (gag) but I find it helpful to write it down. And then come back in 6 months and a year and think about how it's going, or isn't. Write new goals or reassess how I'm going there.
Jesus...this is how I ended up in management isn't it? I'm one of *them.* Oh god.
Yeah, the issue here isn't how or what to write. The issue is that writing goals is a stupid practice that wastes people's time.
Huh. I have yet to meet an annual review evaluation form that didn't make me want to jump off a bridge, but the idea of having concrete goals isnt dumb inherently. The way it's expressed and often the form involved is utter nonsense...but I like goals. I write down personal goals all the time. I don't necessarily fill out a whole worksheet on how s.m.a.r.t. it is...and I certainly don't explain how it aligns to company initiatives, (gag) but I find it helpful to write it down. And then come back in 6 months and a year and think about how it's going, or isn't. Write new goals or reassess how I'm going there.
Jesus...this is how I ended up in management isn't it? I'm one of *them.* Oh god.
You’re part of the machine now.
I have yet to be at a company where my annual review was legit and goal setting and measuring actually “really” happened.
Post by secretlyevil on Aug 19, 2019 17:42:29 GMT -5
My random is...just when I think I am seeing some positive progress in the industry...I get slapped with multiple reminders that the good ol’boy system is alive and still going strong.
Huh. I have yet to meet an annual review evaluation form that didn't make me want to jump off a bridge, but the idea of having concrete goals isnt dumb inherently. The way it's expressed and often the form involved is utter nonsense...but I like goals. I write down personal goals all the time. I don't necessarily fill out a whole worksheet on how s.m.a.r.t. it is...and I certainly don't explain how it aligns to company initiatives, (gag) but I find it helpful to write it down. And then come back in 6 months and a year and think about how it's going, or isn't. Write new goals or reassess how I'm going there.
Jesus...this is how I ended up in management isn't it? I'm one of *them.* Oh god.
You’re part of the machine now.
I have yet to be at a company where my annual review was legit and goal setting and measuring actually “really” happened.
About 5 or 6 years ago, half my annual review (both the "great" and the "needs improvement") was stuff other people did.
We don't typically get them till March-ish and by then I had a different job and a different manager so I just told then-current manager where it was wrong and she just kind of shrugged.
Yeah, the issue here isn't how or what to write. The issue is that writing goals is a stupid practice that wastes people's time.
Huh. I have yet to meet an annual review evaluation form that didn't make me want to jump off a bridge, but the idea of having concrete goals isnt dumb inherently. The way it's expressed and often the form involved is utter nonsense...but I like goals. I write down personal goals all the time. I don't necessarily fill out a whole worksheet on how s.m.a.r.t. it is...and I certainly don't explain how it aligns to company initiatives, (gag) but I find it helpful to write it down. And then come back in 6 months and a year and think about how it's going, or isn't. Write new goals or reassess how I'm going there.
Jesus...this is how I ended up in management isn't it? I'm one of *them.* Oh god.
You're through the looking glass now. LOL!
I'm so down on my job now, so take this with a grain of salt. I have nowhere to grow in my job. Nowhere. My job is what it is and has been for the last decade. Am I to write down that I aspire to do the job of 4 people, when I'm demonstrably doing the work for 3? For the last 6 years I haven't had an in person review that has lasted more than 10 minutes. I have no career aspirations, because why the fuck should I? I go to work. I do my job. I come home.
Frustrated with work. Sat on an interview panel for a manager position and the one women we interviewed knocked it out of the park. The panel (including the hiring manager) selected the female candidate. I guess the hiring managers boss disagreed and had the director sit on another set of interviews (one with her and one with the 2nd place candidate). Hiring manager still selected the female candidate and was then asked to do another set of interviews with some other managers.
I have done several interviews of this type in the past year and a second interview has not been done (especially not with the director) - all have been males as the selected candidate. I sat down with my director today and told him it does not look good when the selected candidate is a women and all of a sudden we start doing things differently. He blew me off. I am the only female in senior management and I don’t think things will get better.
My period is a week late and I don't know WTF is going on. H had a vasectomy in February and I had my IUD removed last month. I POAS today and it was negative.
My period has been regular from jump. Is this how menopause starts?
I know what goals are and how to write them. But I think stuff like this is *really* dumb and pointless. I already do those things. If I didn't, I wouldn't be getting A's across the board on my performance evaluation. And if you're not doing those things, you should be on a performance improvement plan. Those shouldn't be goals.
I so feel you on this. One of the few things I like about my current employer is that the CEO is so opposed to implementing anything he deems "corporate-y" that he would put out his own eyes before making us do something like that. The downside is that the company is kind of a shitshow because he's thrown out EVERYTHING that will help things run smoothly and efficiently; I know it can't last--either the company will fold or I'll move on first, but I've really enjoyed not having endure these exercises that feel like box-checking bullshit.
The story has a good ending. She finally got offered the position. But the emotional stress this has taken on me is indescribable.
Well I'm glad for that at least. I also work in a male-dominated industry and we actually just had our first (ever??) female estimator start today. I am *really* excited to work with another woman.
The story has a good ending. She finally got offered the position. But the emotional stress this has taken on me is indescribable.
I hope it's a good ending because that next-level bullshit in the hiring doesn't bode well for women in the industry. And the part where you took it to the folks who needed to hear it and were blown off? Even shittier. I hope she works out and is awesome, or that this is an excellent springboard for her if they continue on the path they started with here.
My period is a week late and I don't know WTF is going on. H had a vasectomy in February and I had my IUD removed last month. I POAS today and it was negative.
My period has been regular from jump. Is this how menopause starts?
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Mine's late too, 5-6 days so far- DH's vasectomy was almost six years ago, no issues since then, so I'm assuming it's just hormone changes. I've always been really regular, but last month was 3 days early so who the heck knows. I'll test in a few days I guess.
Huh. I have yet to meet an annual review evaluation form that didn't make me want to jump off a bridge, but the idea of having concrete goals isnt dumb inherently. The way it's expressed and often the form involved is utter nonsense...but I like goals. I write down personal goals all the time. I don't necessarily fill out a whole worksheet on how s.m.a.r.t. it is...and I certainly don't explain how it aligns to company initiatives, (gag) but I find it helpful to write it down. And then come back in 6 months and a year and think about how it's going, or isn't. Write new goals or reassess how I'm going there.
Jesus...this is how I ended up in management isn't it? I'm one of *them.* Oh god.
You’re part of the machine now.
I have yet to be at a company where my annual review was legit and goal setting and measuring actually “really” happened.
This right here is why I write my employees goals, with input from them. We discuss them at annual review and I make sure there are no questions or concerns. I refer to them quarterly in our 1:1s to track progress. And obviously refer back to them at the next performance review.
When you sit thru so many bullshit "Continue to provide excellent customer service." goal settings exercises, you grow determined to not be THAT boss.