Politics week of 9/23

[Deleted]

I worry about what an election will look like with an impeachment, but I’m more worried about what a second-term Trump administration will look like when he hasn’t been held accountable for *anything.* That’s what gets me. Any Dem President would’ve been impeached by the GOP for half the shit Trump has done. Let’s put these GOP assholes on record letting him get away with it instead of letting them retire peacefully because they’re too chickenshit to stand up for what’s right.

[heyjude]

The fact that he just admits all of this w/out a care in the world shows you that he won’t stop until he IS stopped. Impeachment seems like a moral imperative.

[eddy]

I just think we look so weak if we don’t go through the motions of impeachment. I know there are smarter people than me looking at this, but I just don’t think we will get enthusiasm from voters if we don’t do what is right, which is hold him accountable. Otherwise people will lose all faith in our government. This is our chance to show there is a semblance of checks and balances.

But I agree we have to go full throttle and all use our power. More acting and less hand-wringing.

[cous0226]

I just want the Dems to do this the right way and in proper orderly fashion so everyone can understand what’s going on. Right now it feels very disorganized with no clear message. I worry about no one showing up. No one has gone to jail yet and they all ignore supoenas and such. Look at what Corey did. It’s a joke to them. So until someone starts going to jail and people are held accountable
Is when I’ll be good with this process.

45 is going to go bat shit crazy and we also have to be prepared to control the narrative which we also aren’t good at.

[ESF]

Sept 24, 2019 10:25:14 GMT -5 heyjude said:

The fact that he just admits all of this w/out a care in the world shows you that he won’t stop until he IS stopped. Impeachment seems like a moral imperative.

And honestly each GOP administration has been *terrible*. The corruption and scandals are just off the charts. Nixon’s break in was nothing compared to Iran Contra or W’s US attorney firing scandal or the 8 million other terrible things those people did.

The behave like this because we refuse to hold the accountable.

We need to do something now. We need to stop tiptoeing around the electorate and actually govern. We are the majority!!!!!!

[heyjude]

And also the old ideas about not impeaching are dead. We are no longer talking about impeachment for an old crime committed years ago. We are talking about impeachment over a new crime being committed RIGHT NOW.

[eddy]

Sept 24, 2019 10:47:35 GMT -5 heyjude said:

And also the old ideas about not impeaching are dead. We are no longer talking about impeachment for an old crime committed years ago. We are talking about impeachment over a new crime being committed RIGHT NOW.

When he was our fucking president. Not a candidate, PRESIDENT.

[pixy0stix]

Vox has a good explainer on the different paths/tactics that could be used - www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881521/moderate-house-democrats-impeachment-investigation

[Poppy]

What happens if he is impeached but the Senate does not uphold it (or whatever the proper term is) and then he does things that are even worse? Can he be impeached twice?

[sugarbear]

Sept 24, 2019 11:09:35 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Vox has a good explainer on the different paths/tactics that could be used - www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881521/moderate-house-democrats-impeachment-investigation

So-- this is probably a dumb question-- I'm reading this VOX article and it says that the SCOTUS decisions about enforcing congressional subpoenas are taking a long time. Why can't the SCOTUS like, hustle? Do they get to prioritize cases? There seems to be an urgency here that is not being felt by the Supreme Court as much as the rest of the country. What gives? (If the obvious answer is that 5 of them were put on the court by Republican presidents, that makes sense. Just wondering if there's anything else I'm missing.)

[heyjude]

And not to be lost in all this...we would be impeaching over the undermining of our election system!! Perhaps there is a valid analysis where not responding is electorally advantageous to the Dems. On the other hand not responding allows Trump to continue to fuck with our elections, undermining Dems electoral chances. There seems to be only one right answer here....

[centralsquare]

Sept 24, 2019 11:21:44 GMT -5 heyjude said:

And not to be lost in all this...we would be impeaching over the undermining of our election system!! Perhaps there is a valid analysis where not responding is electorally advantageous to the Dems. On the other hand not responding allows Trump to continue to fuck with our elections, undermining Dems electoral chances. There seems to be only one right answer here....

Exactly. There is little chance right now that the 2020 election won’t be compromised. If Dems don’t impeach, it’s guaranteed.

This is long overdue.

[eclaires]

Sept 24, 2019 10:48:55 GMT -5 eddy said:

Sept 24, 2019 10:47:35 GMT -5 heyjude said:

And also the old ideas about not impeaching are dead. We are no longer talking about impeachment for an old crime committed years ago. We are talking about impeachment over a new crime being committed RIGHT NOW.

When he was our fucking president. Not a candidate, PRESIDENT.

WHILE HES WALTZING AROUND ADMITTING TO IT.

The upside down sucks. I want off this ride.

[anodyne]

Looks like possible announcement today , action tomorrow

[Bergamot]

Sept 24, 2019 11:21:44 GMT -5 heyjude said:

And not to be lost in all this...we would be impeaching over the undermining of our election system!! Perhaps there is a valid analysis where not responding is electorally advantageous to the Dems. On the other hand not responding allows Trump to continue to fuck with our elections, undermining Dems electoral chances. There seems to be only one right answer here....

At this point not responding sets as much of a precedent as responding. He admitted to an impeachable act WHILE IN OFFICE and basically is daring the Dems to do something about it. I don’t think we have a choice anymore.

[MrsAxilla]

Sept 24, 2019 13:12:14 GMT -5 Bergamot said:

Sept 24, 2019 11:21:44 GMT -5 heyjude said:

And not to be lost in all this...we would be impeaching over the undermining of our election system!! Perhaps there is a valid analysis where not responding is electorally advantageous to the Dems. On the other hand not responding allows Trump to continue to fuck with our elections, undermining Dems electoral chances. There seems to be only one right answer here....

At this point not responding sets as much of a precedent as responding. He admitted to an impeachable act WHILE IN OFFICE and basically is daring the Dems to do something about it. I don’t think we have a choice anymore.

Maybe this is what Pelosi meant by “self impeaching” lol.

[mbcdefg]

Trump says 'complete, fully declassified and unredacted' transcript of his call with Ukraine's president will be released on Wednesday. More: reut.rs/2lfDRTc


Mmmkay.

[thejackpot]

Sept 24, 2019 8:25:20 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Impeach the motherfucker. I'm tired of all this hand wringing.

I heard this in Samuel Jackson's voice and it made it so much better!

[anodyne]

Sept 24, 2019 13:25:38 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Trump says 'complete, fully declassified and unredacted' transcript of his call with Ukraine's president will be released on Wednesday. More: reut.rs/2lfDRTc


Mmmkay.

He's gonna gaslight again.  We need the whistleblower report ASAP!

[mbcdefg]

[ESF]

Sept 24, 2019 13:25:38 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Trump says 'complete, fully declassified and unredacted' transcript of his call with Ukraine's president will be released on Wednesday. More: reut.rs/2lfDRTc


Mmmkay.

I'd bet that the transcript will be manipulated, but more than that, I'd bet money that the whistleblower's complaints encompassed more than what happened on one call. Maybe there were multiple calls, maybe there was conduct that happened outside of the phone call, maybe there was also conduct unrelated to Hunter Biden and the Ukraine, maybe all of the above.  All I know is that Trump is almost certainly releasing this transcript only because he knows it won't tell the full story.  

[mbcdefg]

NBC News has confirmed: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will announce later today that she now backs a formal impeachment inquiry, according to two Democratic sources close to her.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/pelosi-announce-formal-impeachment-inquiry-trump-n1058251

[mrsukyankee]

Brian Schatz on Twitter: "FYI tomorrow at 12:15 pm the Senate will vote on whether or not to uphold the President’s decision to raid funding from military servicemembers and their families to build the wall. They raided 3.6 billion."

[AAM2012]

Sept 25, 2019 1:42:27 GMT -5 mrsukyankee said:

Brian Schatz on Twitter: "FYI tomorrow at 12:15 pm the Senate will vote on whether or not to uphold the President’s decision to raid funding from military servicemembers and their families to build the wall. They raided 3.6 billion."

Isn’t the money already “gone”? I thought I saw an article that showed them already pushing forward with building.

[carmenere]

Sept 25, 2019 5:15:49 GMT -5 AAM2012 said:

Sept 25, 2019 1:42:27 GMT -5 mrsukyankee said:

Brian Schatz on Twitter: "FYI tomorrow at 12:15 pm the Senate will vote on whether or not to uphold the President’s decision to raid funding from military servicemembers and their families to build the wall. They raided 3.6 billion."

Isn’t the money already “gone”? I thought I saw an article that showed them already pushing forward with building.

I have no idea. Even if it is, which would be awful, I want every GOP senator on record for prioritizing Trump's racist vanity project over service members and families. Party of patriotism my ass.

[mbcdefg]

Sept 25, 2019 9:01:56 GMT -5 carmenere said:

Sept 25, 2019 5:15:49 GMT -5 AAM2012 said:

Isn’t the money already “gone”? I thought I saw an article that showed them already pushing forward with building.

I have no idea. Even if it is, which would be awful, I want every GOP senator on record for prioritizing Trump's racist vanity project over service members and families. Party of patriotism my ass.

The Democrats really need to unite and keep pushing this point. Along with the other shit he’s done. Fucking over the military should be low-hanging fruit to get voters on their side.

There’s SO MUCH here to utilize. Trump and the GOP are handing the Democrats all this corruption and thievery on a silver platter and yet they’re too busy shoving more candidates into the GD primary clown car rather than presenting a united front to hammer these messages home to the voters.

Really, is it just me? Or is there NO collaboration and unity in the Democratic Party at all? 2020 should be theirs for the taking but they’re all over the fucking place ... yes?

[crystald528]

Did anyone hear the interview of Tulsi Gabbard on Here and Now today? I didn't know much about her but the end of the interview didn't go well. The audio isn't available yet at the link below but will be posted soon.


www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/09/25/tulsi-gabbard-2020-democrat-candidate

[pixy0stix]

Senate (again) rebukes the national emergency declaration - www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/senate-vote-national-emergency-border-wall-1510795

[pitta12]

Here’s an article for all you pee tape seekers! (There’s a tape circulating on 4chan and such that is almost certainly fake but a pretty good fake).

slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/inside-the-convincing-fake-trump-pee-tape.html