I'm loving this season so far. Tobias Menzies is killing it, and the Princess Alice storyline was so good. I hope we'll get to see more of her, but it seems like they wrapped that up with a nice little bow, unfortunately.
She died two years after she moved in with Bubbikins and Fam. I think they click through the years too fast for us to get too much more of her.
I fell down the Princess Alice rabbit hole last night. She really does have an interesting story, and parts of it are so different from the rest of her family. Her daughters married Nazis while she hid a Jewish family in her palace for their safety.
I'm loving this season so far. Tobias Menzies is killing it, and the Princess Alice storyline was so good. I hope we'll get to see more of her, but it seems like they wrapped that up with a nice little bow, unfortunately.
She died two years after she moved in with Bubbikins and Fam. I think they click through the years too fast for us to get too much more of her.
I fell down the Princess Alice rabbit hole last night. She really does have an interesting story, and parts of it are so different from the rest of her family. Her daughters married Nazis while she hid a Jewish family in her palace for their safety.
Yes, I knew nothing about her story and it’s fascinating. She is buried in Israel in honor of her contribution to saving Jews during the Holocaust. Does anyone know if she actually had schizophrenia? It sounds like an excuse to hospitalize a non-compliant woman.
She died two years after she moved in with Bubbikins and Fam. I think they click through the years too fast for us to get too much more of her.
I fell down the Princess Alice rabbit hole last night. She really does have an interesting story, and parts of it are so different from the rest of her family. Her daughters married Nazis while she hid a Jewish family in her palace for their safety.
Yes, I knew nothing about her story and it’s fascinating. She is buried in Israel in honor of her contribution to saving Jews during the Holocaust. Does anyone know if she actually had schizophrenia? It sounds like an excuse to hospitalize a non-compliant woman.
I don't know enough details to know if she'd be diagnosed in the same way today, but I think she clearly had a major nervous breakdown.
“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,”
So I'm Irish, and watching this (only season 3 - he didn't watch the first two) with my American husband is the most infuriating thing. He has SO many questions, and EVERY episode we have the conversation about why Philip isn't a 'king'.
“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,”
So I'm Irish, and watching this (only season 3 - he didn't watch the first two) with my American husband is the most infuriating thing. He has SO many questions, and EVERY episode we have the conversation about why Philip isn't a 'king'.
My H keeps asking me if Camilla will be Queen. I keep telling him it's complicated and no one really knows yet.
So I'm Irish, and watching this (only season 3 - he didn't watch the first two) with my American husband is the most infuriating thing. He has SO many questions, and EVERY episode we have the conversation about why Philip isn't a 'king'.
Philip wonders this too (it’s episode 4 or 5), lol.
So I'm Irish, and watching this (only season 3 - he didn't watch the first two) with my American husband is the most infuriating thing. He has SO many questions, and EVERY episode we have the conversation about why Philip isn't a 'king'.
We lived in the UK for 7 years so mine has an okay grasp of the monarchy/parliamentary system, but he has to listen to me make fake barfing sounds every time someone says "special relationship" with the US, and complain that the show doesn't focus enough on the Commonwealth. 😂
Episode 10, the scene with Margaret and QEII was a triumph. One of the most beautiful of the season.
I felt the jubilee snuck up a little - it wasn't the event you'd expect. But I did like this seasons focus on the people rather than the pomp/ceremony, and the jubilee as secondary to the family drama made sense.
“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,”
The ending scene between QEII and Charles was rough. Poor guy never stood a chance! The relationship William and Kate have with their children, or at least seemingly, is so warm in comparison.
I found it odd that the Prince of Wales and future King is not taught Welsh history as part of his “grooming”.
I found it odd that the Prince of Wales and future King is not taught Welsh history as part of his “grooming”.
As an Irish person this surprised me not at all. Welsh, Irish (northern and republic), Scottish national identities/histories/etc are at their essence, at odds with much of what the the Royal domain stands for.
“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,”
The ending scene between QEII and Charles was rough. Poor guy never stood a chance! The relationship William and Kate have with their children, or at least seemingly, is so warm in comparison.
I found it odd that the Prince of Wales and future King is not taught Welsh history as part of his “grooming”.
I agree with just, that it is unsurprising due to the history between the countries. However, allegedly, Charles did start William learning Welsh and about Wales at a young age. I bet this was in large part due to his own experience.
The more I see the parent-child relationship between Charles and his parents, the sadder it makes me feel for him. You can see the loneliness and longing for any type of relationship with his parents. There were a lot this season that hit me hard seeing the disconnect and longing.
The more I see the parent-child relationship between Charles and his parents, the sadder it makes me feel for him. You can see the loneliness and longing for any type of relationship with his parents. There were a lot this season that hit me hard seeing the disconnect and longing.
@@ same here. It was so apparent when Charles was interacting with his Welsh tutor and his family. You end up feeling a sense of sadness for Charles - for his lack of parental love. It kind of boggles my mind though, as to why QEII is so emotionally void, especially since it seems like she had a very good (loving?) relationship with her father/mother at the beginning of her childhood. Was it because she was thrust so quickly into the role of the future monarch and told to be/act/think a certain way? But maybe all the royals were taught to be that way with kids (best for the children to be seen and interacted with from afar)?
The more I see the parent-child relationship between Charles and his parents, the sadder it makes me feel for him. You can see the loneliness and longing for any type of relationship with his parents. There were a lot this season that hit me hard seeing the disconnect and longing.
@@ same here. It was so apparent when Charles was interacting with his Welsh tutor and his family. You end up feeling a sense of sadness for Charles - for his lack of parental love. It kind of boggles my mind though, as to why QEII is so emotionally void, especially since it seems like she had a very good (loving?) relationship with her father/mother at the beginning of her childhood. Was it because she was thrust so quickly into the role of the future monarch and told to be/act/think a certain way? But maybe all the royals were taught to be that way with kids (best for the children to be seen and interacted with from afar)?
@@ The Welsh tutor episode hit my the most when I saw how Charles reacted to how they interacted with their son, and also how they noticed his loneliness. His acting in the play and his speech was very telling of how he felt. I wonder if he chose to "break the cycle" with how he interacted with his children? I haven't followed the royal family much until watching this show and huge events (deaths and weddings). I thought about QEII too. Does it seem like she is detached because she is doing what was done to her as a child (schools, nannies, etc.) or is her role so consuming that she had to choose between focusing on the crown or a relationship with her children?
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I also can't imagine basically training someone for your job as well as parenting them. The disconnect you have to have from your own child to make sure they are qualified enough to fill your very large shoes..
I absolutely agree, and I see so many echos of the previous actors too.
I will say casting is amazing, but the physical similarities/stylings will onlyl go so far. So much of the realness is the caliber of actors they have - they must have all done an immense amount of character studies on the people they're portraying.
This is true, although I was amazed at the actress who played Margaret as a little girl in the flashbacks during S3E2. She looks JUST like adult Margaret from the first two seasons! Especially the eyes.
She also played young Margaret in Season 1 when Vanessa Kirby was adult Margaret.
The more I see the parent-child relationship between Charles and his parents, the sadder it makes me feel for him. You can see the loneliness and longing for any type of relationship with his parents. There were a lot this season that hit me hard seeing the disconnect and longing.
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i haven't gotten that far this season yet but last season, the episode when he was at boarding school and was the last kid to come in from that race, just broke me
The more I see the parent-child relationship between Charles and his parents, the sadder it makes me feel for him. You can see the loneliness and longing for any type of relationship with his parents. There were a lot this season that hit me hard seeing the disconnect and longing.
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i haven't gotten that far this season yet but last season, the episode when he was at boarding school and was the last kid to come in from that race, just broke me
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That episode was hard for me too. I'll have to rewatch it since I don't remember it too well since it's been awhile.
I was worried about HBC because I feel like she's always herself more than whatever character she plays, but I think she's doing really well with this. I don't get that overpowering HBC feeling from her.
I agree though that none of them look quite right for the ages they're supposed to be.
This was so interesting. He and Camilla were/are here in India (they come almost every year to stay at a "wellness" center here in Bangalore) and I'm just fascinated by him - I can't imagine how hard his life has been - even growing up as a royal and all the privilege that comes with.
On a side note, his uncle, Edward the VIII/Duke of Windsor, has stayed in my in-laws house here in Bangalore - not with Ms. Simpson, but we have pictures of him here at the house.
Just finished the season last night. I don't know if it is the acting or the writing or what, but I don't think any show has ever made me ALMOST feel bad for the rich white people. ALMOST.
I mean, if you are living a life where you are more or less trapped by duty or expectations, might as well do it in a palace. lol
I watched a doc on the royal family a while back, and it was then when I realized how much Charles reputation was unfairly maligned, and this is kind of reinforcing that. And I almost felt bad for David/Duke of Windsor...until I remembered all that Nazi business, and well, he can fuck off (but the woman portraying Wallis did a bang up job in the scene where he died.)
Yeah, please don't feel bad for the Duke of Windsor. The two of them weren't kind people.
In the season recap article on CNN, they said something like they are clearly writing Charles as a sympathetic character, likely out of respect for his future position. As far as I am concerned, this is reasonable. We do know he was pressured to marry someone suitable. Bad mouthing Charles won't bring Diana back, and next year he and Camilla will have been married for as long as he was married to Diana. Everything the royal family has been through with all the divorces (Margaret/Tony, Anne/Mark, Andrew/Fergie, and especially Charles and Diana) means the old ways are gone for good, and no one in the family will ever again have to worry that they can't marry the person they love.
ETA: The actress playing The Duchess of Windsor/Wallis Simpson this season is Geraldine Chaplin, Charlie Chaplin's daughter.
I am late on the age thing but back in the day, people looked much older than their age compared to now. I've seen a picture of my grandma when she was 37 (she was born in 1929) and she looked like a woman in her 50s. This is QEII at 38. Picking Olivia Colman (who is 45 IRL) doesn't seem too crazy. Same thing if you look at Princess Margaret on her US tour. She was 35 but definitely look a good 10 years older.
I am late on the age thing but back in the day, people looked much older than their age compared to now. I've seen a picture of my grandma when she was 37 (she was born in 1929) and she looked like a woman in her 50s. This is QEII at 38. Picking Olivia Colman (who is 45 IRL) doesn't seem too crazy. Same thing if you look at Princess Margaret on her US tour. She was 35 but definitely look a good 10 years older.
I’ve always thought that the Queen aged rather drastically once she took the throne. Probably the stress of being suddenly thrust into the role at only 25, plus the heavy makeup.
She wore pancake makeup until maybe 15 years ago ... she looks a lot better now than she did in the 90s. Whomever did her face makeup/foundation back then didn’t know how to blend properly.