I am late on the age thing but back in the day, people looked much older than their age compared to now. I've seen a picture of my grandma when she was 37 (she was born in 1929) and she looked like a woman in her 50s. This is QEII at 38. Picking Olivia Colman (who is 45 IRL) doesn't seem too crazy. Same thing if you look at Princess Margaret on her US tour. She was 35 but definitely look a good 10 years older.
For lack of a better term, adults dressed more like “grown ups” decades ago which ages them IMO. Much more formally. Now you are 40 and wearing jeans and band t-shirt, adults that age really didn’t do that in the 1960s.
It must be an exhausting life. They do hundreds of appearances a year.
For lack of a better term, adults dressed more like “grown ups” decades ago which ages them IMO. Much more formally. Now you are 40 and wearing jeans and band t-shirt, adults that age really didn’t do that in the 1960s.
It must be an exhausting life. They do hundreds of appearances a year.
Heck, just watching the movie Heathers, which is from the 80's, and the high school girls in that movie are wearing suits.
For lack of a better term, adults dressed more like “grown ups” decades ago which ages them IMO. Much more formally. Now you are 40 and wearing jeans and band t-shirt, adults that age really didn’t do that in the 1960s.
It must be an exhausting life. They do hundreds of appearances a year.
Heck, just watching the movie Heathers, which is from the 80's, and the high school girls in that movie are wearing suits.
Yes, back then there were 2 types of clothing: young children and adults.
Just finished. Weird (to me) that they ignored Princess Anne's kidnapping.
And her first wedding. I assume they may cover both out of order next season.
Not likely. She was married in 1973; episode 10 takes place in 1977 which is the year her oldest was born. I'm sure we'll see her next season with her family. They don't have time to show everything.
And her first wedding. I assume they may cover both out of order next season.
Not likely. She was married in 1973; episode 10 takes place in 1977 which is the year her oldest was born. I'm sure we'll see her next season with her family. They don't have time to show everything.
They could address some of it (maybe the kidnapping because I'm sure that impacted their security protocols) with quick flashbacks next season. They seem to do that quite a bit.
I am late on the age thing but back in the day, people looked much older than their age compared to now. I've seen a picture of my grandma when she was 37 (she was born in 1929) and she looked like a woman in her 50s. This is QEII at 38. Picking Olivia Colman (who is 45 IRL) doesn't seem too crazy. Same thing if you look at Princess Margaret on her US tour. She was 35 but definitely look a good 10 years older.
For lack of a better term, adults dressed more like “grown ups” decades ago which ages them IMO. Much more formally. Now you are 40 and wearing jeans and band t-shirt, adults that age really didn’t do that in the 1960s.
It must be an exhausting life. They do hundreds of appearances a year.
Definitely women changed their clothes and hair to be much more matronly once they married and especially after having kids. Also Margaret’s smoking probably aged her a lot too.
Just finished the season last night. I don't know if it is the acting or the writing or what, but I don't think any show has ever made me ALMOST feel bad for the rich white people. ALMOST.
I mean, if you are living a life where you are more or less trapped by duty or expectations, might as well do it in a palace.
The thing is those palaces don’t look very cosy or comfortable. The show definitely highlights how much of your freedom and individuality or personality you have to give up to be part of that family. No thanks!!! I’d rather be an ordinary rich person. I wonder if Meghan Markle would have thought twice about marrying into that family had she seen The Crown prior.
Just finished the season last night. I don't know if it is the acting or the writing or what, but I don't think any show has ever made me ALMOST feel bad for the rich white people. ALMOST.
I mean, if you are living a life where you are more or less trapped by duty or expectations, might as well do it in a palace.
The thing is those palaces don’t look very cosy or comfortable. The show definitely highlights how much of your freedom and individuality or personality you have to give up to be part of that family. No thanks!!! I’d rather be an ordinary rich person. I wonder if Meghan Markle would have thought twice about marrying into that family had she seen The Crown prior.
No! We went on a Windsor Castle tour and it was quite damp and cold inside and we even were able go in some rooms that were normally reserved for meetings and parties. The tour guide said guests generally still used hot water bottles during visits. Even the chapel Harry and Megan got married in was very damp and drafty.
I watched the first episode of season 3, though I jumped around a lot.
It’s annoying me that they apparently made no attempt to faithfully replicate the jewelry. The Queen’s tiara at the art exhibition looked like it came from Claire’s.
I've seen some people say they think they may address Anne's kidnapping via flashbacks in the next season, maybe to address security changes or something. I think that would work, although it's weird they didn't just address it this season.
And I did wonder if Margaret looked older in real life because of her smoking and drinking, so I guess maybe the casting isn't that far off. Never thought about the "adult" clothing aspect before, that is a really good point.
I thought season 3 went fairly heavy on how miserable and mismatched everyone was for their role/duty. Especially highlighting and re-visiting the Duke of Windsor. Good lord, if the man didn’t abdicate the throne, ALL of these people’s lives would be completely different. And I think it heavily hinted that it would have been different for the better.
I thought season 3 went fairly heavy on how miserable and mismatched everyone was for their role/duty. Especially highlighting and re-visiting the Duke of Windsor. Good lord, if the man didn’t abdicate the throne, ALL of these people’s lives would be completely different. And I think it heavily hinted that it would have been different for the better.
Except for the Nazi collaboration part! Not sure Hitler would have kept him around once he conquered Britain. That aside, as a man he would have had an easier time fighting the palace establishment and modernizing the monarchy. Since he didn’t have kids, the crown would have passed to Elizabeth anyway but at a later age.
I’ve watched all but the last episode. The Aberfan episode almost leveled me. The overarching storyline of duty to the country over personal fulfillment and happiness is really interesting, and in hindsight we can see where it all has led the family over the decades. The casting is amazing.
I thought season 3 went fairly heavy on how miserable and mismatched everyone was for their role/duty. Especially highlighting and re-visiting the Duke of Windsor. Good lord, if the man didn’t abdicate the throne, ALL of these people’s lives would be completely different. And I think it heavily hinted that it would have been different for the better.
Um, noooooooooo. Did you totally miss the part where he and Wallis were Nazi sympathizers? What the hell do you think would have happened to Britain, much less all the Jews and 'others' in Europe in WWII if he'd been on the throne???
I also don't get all the people who say QEII's life would have been different had her uncle not abdicated. She still would have been Queen after 1972.
For lack of a better term, adults dressed more like “grown ups” decades ago which ages them IMO. Much more formally. Now you are 40 and wearing jeans and band t-shirt, adults that age really didn’t do that in the 1960s.
It must be an exhausting life. They do hundreds of appearances a year.
Heck, just watching the movie Heathers, which is from the 80's, and the high school girls in that movie are wearing suits.
I was 16 when Heathers came out. Real life high school students didn't dress like that.
Nazi King wouldn’t have given two shits about anyone struggling economically, the coal union, or the families that lost loved ones in that tragedy.
He would have demanded that palace have the reserves of coal to use instead of living by candlelight.
He would have ruined the country and the monarchy.
Once Hitler had conquered Britain, I think he would have dumped the monarchy. Apparently the Danish and Dutch royal families were sidelined.
I do think the whole family would have benefitted if Elizabeth had more time to prep to be queen. Her relationship with Charles would have been stronger if she could focus on the kids in her 20s and 30s instead of trying to figure out how to be monarch with these male prime ministers and palace staffers patronizing and underestimating her. She also would have had time to catch up on the missing pieces from her education. And Phillip could have spent more time in the Navy and not felt that his career was cut short.
The primogeniture thing is still so strange to me— what if the most qualified person to be a leader isn’t the eldest? Why does it automatically need to be decided at birth?
Nazi King wouldn’t have given two shits about anyone struggling economically, the coal union, or the families that lost loved ones in that tragedy.
He would have demanded that palace have the reserves of coal to use instead of living by candlelight.
He would have ruined the country and the monarchy.
Once Hitler had conquered Britain, I think he would have dumped the monarchy. Apparently the Danish and Dutch royal families were sidelined.
I do think the whole family would have benefitted if Elizabeth had more time to prep to be queen. Her relationship with Charles would have been stronger if she could focus on the kids in her 20s and 30s instead of trying to figure out how to be monarch with these male prime ministers and palace staffers patronizing and underestimating her. She also would have had time to catch up on the missing pieces from her education. And Phillip could have spent more time in the Navy and not felt that his career was cut short.
The primogeniture thing is still so strange to me— what if the most qualified person to be a leader isn’t the eldest? Why does it automatically need to be decided at birth?
But how would you decide who was “most qualified?” I’m not sure if this was real or dramatized for the series, but imagine if Elizabeth and Margaret’s scheme for Margaret to become queen had worked. Could you imagine if Margaret had become Queen? While primogeniture is arbitrary, it’s not like there’s really a better monarchical system...at least not that I’m aware of.
Post by Dumbledork on Nov 25, 2019 13:25:30 GMT -5
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If Philip had pushed his ego to the side and stepped up to parent his kids instead of shipping Charles off to boarding school, Lizzie could have focused on being Queen at 20-something.
Instead she had to worry about her asshole husband being a dumbass and embarrassing her, while her kid was bullied for the sake of character. Which Philip also demanded.
She needed a husband that would back her up and instead she got that guy.
Does anyone watch Victoria on our bbc or pbs? I wish Elizabeth had some of Victoria’s fire.
I thought season 3 went fairly heavy on how miserable and mismatched everyone was for their role/duty. Especially highlighting and re-visiting the Duke of Windsor. Good lord, if the man didn’t abdicate the throne, ALL of these people’s lives would be completely different. And I think it heavily hinted that it would have been different for the better.
Um, noooooooooo. Did you totally miss the part where he and Wallis were Nazi sympathizers? What the hell do you think would have happened to Britain, much less all the Jews and 'others' in Europe in WWII if he'd been on the throne???
I also don't get all the people who say QEII's life would have been different had her uncle not abdicated. She still would have been Queen after 1972.
I don't think @livinitup is arguing that the world would have been a better place if her uncle hadn't abdicated. But in the show, Elizabeth and the family seem to resent it and it was implied in one of the earlier seasons that they believed the stress of being King led to her father's untimely death.
@@@@@ Elizabeth would have been 45/46 when Edward died, and becoming queen at that age would have been drastically different than becoming queen at 26 when she was a young mother still figuring out marriage and parenting and life in general. The world is definitely better off for Edward's abdication, but I can understand Elizabeth's character feeling like she's not a good fit for her role and pining for the simpler life she might have had.
Um, noooooooooo. Did you totally miss the part where he and Wallis were Nazi sympathizers? What the hell do you think would have happened to Britain, much less all the Jews and 'others' in Europe in WWII if he'd been on the throne???
I also don't get all the people who say QEII's life would have been different had her uncle not abdicated. She still would have been Queen after 1972.
I don't think @livinitup is arguing that the world would have been a better place if her uncle hadn't abdicated. But in the show, Elizabeth and the family seem to resent it and it was implied in one of the earlier seasons that they believed the stress of being King led to her father's untimely death.
@@@@@ Elizabeth would have been 45/46 when Edward died, and becoming queen at that age would have been drastically different than becoming queen at 26 when she was a young mother still figuring out marriage and parenting and life in general. The world is definitely better off for Edward's abdication, but I can understand Elizabeth's character feeling like she's not a good fit for her role and pining for the simpler life she might have had.
It isn't just the show, it's a widely held belief amongst historians that the stress of the unexpected (and unwanted) job was as much a factor as the smoking in George IV's early death. And the reason the Queen Mother never forgave David. But clearly, George VI was the king Britain needed, and for the country, it's a good thing things happened the way they did.
ETA: Over time, as David's Nazi proclivities became known, I would hope that the Queen and the family would also agree, however much a private life might have been preferred, that the right people wound up on the throne at the right time.
Post by rupertpenny on Nov 25, 2019 13:53:59 GMT -5
I didn't like episode 3 because it just seemed like an alternate version of The Queen to me. Tragic even happens, the Queen thinks it isn't her place to do anything, PM encourages her, lots of handwringing, Queen shows up and makes people feel better. Peter Morgan used a different event to tell essentially the same story he's already told.
I wonder if he will try to cast Michael Sheen as Tony Blair AGAIN when we get there.
One question that can obviously never be answered - would Edward VIII become a Nazi sympathizer to the same extent if he hadn't abdicated? I believe one of the main reasons he was attracted to them was Hitler promised to restore him to power.
I didn't like episode 3 because it just seemed like an alternate version of The Queen to me. Tragic even happens, the Queen thinks it isn't her place to do anything, PM encourages her, lots of handwringing, Queen shows up and makes people feel better. Peter Morgan used a different event to tell essentially the same story he's already told.
I wonder if he will try to cast Michael Sheen as Tony Blair AGAIN when we get there.
I mean, my H and I made this same comparison, and I've read it elsewhere, too. But it did happen. The difference is that she originally perceived Diana's death as a family matter (and she wasn't totally off base there). If Aberfan was considered a major event in her monarchy, it deserved to be shown.
I didn't like episode 3 because it just seemed like an alternate version of The Queen to me. Tragic even happens, the Queen thinks it isn't her place to do anything, PM encourages her, lots of handwringing, Queen shows up and makes people feel better. Peter Morgan used a different event to tell essentially the same story he's already told.
I wonder if he will try to cast Michael Sheen as Tony Blair AGAIN when we get there.
I mean, my H and I made this same comparison, and I've read it elsewhere, too. But it did happen. The difference is that she originally perceived Diana's death as a family matter (and she wasn't totally off base there). If Aberfan was considered a major event in her monarchy, it deserved to be shown.
I don't think they shouldn't have done an Aberfan episode, but I think it is lazy of Peter Morgan to basically reuse an old movie script. I'm sure he could have found a different angle if he wanted to. But he seems to have a pretty one dimensional view of Elizabeth in general, which can be infuriating.
One question that can obviously never be answered - would Edward VIII become a Nazi sympathizer to the same extent if he hadn't abdicated? I believe one of the main reasons he was attracted to them was Hitler promised to restore him to power.
Nah, he was already into fascism. He and Wallis socialized with Hitler's ambassador, Joachim von Ribbentrop, and it is even rumored Wallis had an affair with him.
Um, noooooooooo. Did you totally miss the part where he and Wallis were Nazi sympathizers? What the hell do you think would have happened to Britain, much less all the Jews and 'others' in Europe in WWII if he'd been on the throne???
I also don't get all the people who say QEII's life would have been different had her uncle not abdicated. She still would have been Queen after 1972.
I don't think @livinitup is arguing that the world would have been a better place if her uncle hadn't abdicated. But in the show, Elizabeth and the family seem to resent it and it was implied in one of the earlier seasons that they believed the stress of being King led to her father's untimely death.
@@@@@ Elizabeth would have been 45/46 when Edward died, and becoming queen at that age would have been drastically different than becoming queen at 26 when she was a young mother still figuring out marriage and parenting and life in general. The world is definitely better off for Edward's abdication, but I can understand Elizabeth's character feeling like she's not a good fit for her role and pining for the simpler life she might have had.
And yet, as Charles’ character said, he felt stuck in the middle waiting for her to die, not able to fully realize his own potential as long as his mother lives. The grass is greener. I wonder if that’s the point of the window motif.