I like Kamala and wanted to see her put together a strong run. But her campaign has had a lot of issues with separate factions on the east and west coasts not seeing eye to eye, her top staff do not seem qualified, she never had clear messaging, and as we are moving forward, she wasnt able to put together anything concrete on serious issues like healthcare.
Some of her top staff resigned and said openly they had never been a part of such a fractured campaign.
If she kept running she would become in serious danger of not only wasting time, money, energy on a doomed presidential run but also losing her Senate seat.
I'm sorry to see her out, but I'm not surprised and I hope she is back in future elections.
The PSA guys touched on this in yesterday's pod too. The amount of staffers who are willing to air their gripes to reporters did not help in getting better press coverage, which she needed (and deserved!)
I like Kamala and wanted to see her put together a strong run. But her campaign has had a lot of issues with separate factions on the east and west coasts not seeing eye to eye, her top staff do not seem qualified, she never had clear messaging, and as we are moving forward, she wasnt able to put together anything concrete on serious issues like healthcare.
Some of her top staff resigned and said openly they had never been a part of such a fractured campaign.
If she kept running she would become in serious danger of not only wasting time, money, energy on a doomed presidential run but also losing her Senate seat.
I'm sorry to see her out, but I'm not surprised and I hope she is back in future elections.
This is basically how my DH responded to me. He thinks she has a real shot in the future and a bright future ahead, but that her campaign was too broken internally to make it work.
Even still, I'm just so angry that people like Gabbard, Yang, Steyer, and allll the other white men are still in it. With Castro all but out too, I honestly don't have any idea who I want to vote for in the primary now.
Akilah Hughes @akilahobviously Facebook and all of its subsidiaries confirmed Russian bots targeted her hard at the beginning of the race. Even if you don’t like her, we’re getting fleeced by misinformation again. 😓
I like Kamala and wanted to see her put together a strong run. But her campaign has had a lot of issues with separate factions on the east and west coasts not seeing eye to eye, her top staff do not seem qualified, she never had clear messaging, and as we are moving forward, she wasnt able to put together anything concrete on serious issues like healthcare.
Some of her top staff resigned and said openly they had never been a part of such a fractured campaign.
If she kept running she would become in serious danger of not only wasting time, money, energy on a doomed presidential run but also losing her Senate seat.
I'm sorry to see her out, but I'm not surprised and I hope she is back in future elections.
She has had one of the most fleshed out messages of any of the candidates. IDK if her website is still up but she was extremely detailed and transparent on any issue I'm interested in.
I think the lack of media coverage (racism) was her main enemy. The other was the name recognition for Biden and Sanders (and Warren).
I'm so pissed that two of the best women in this race dropped out (due, not in small part, to media coverage - two women who HANDILY won their senate seats, by the way) and we're left with Tulsi, Williamson, and fucking Tom Steyer in this race.
Yeah, I'm still not over Gillibrand dropping out. I have a feeling when my primary day comes I'll spend it thinking about the better candidates I wish I could have voted for.
My husband still has a Gillibrand sticker on his car. Who knows how long it will stay there. I think he's come around to Warren, though.
Post by foundmylazybum on Dec 3, 2019 14:16:44 GMT -5
Here is a detailed NY times article about how the campaign unraveled.
A quote that stands out to me is "you cant run a country if you cant run a campaign"
Additionally, as to her plans, it's great she had them on FB, but recently as the article states, the campaign had largely STOPPED running any fb content as well as media ads. She didnt express the message well on stage or in person.
I like Kamala and wanted to see her put together a strong run. But her campaign has had a lot of issues with separate factions on the east and west coasts not seeing eye to eye, her top staff do not seem qualified, she never had clear messaging, and as we are moving forward, she wasnt able to put together anything concrete on serious issues like healthcare.
Some of her top staff resigned and said openly they had never been a part of such a fractured campaign.
If she kept running she would become in serious danger of not only wasting time, money, energy on a doomed presidential run but also losing her Senate seat.
I'm sorry to see her out, but I'm not surprised and I hope she is back in future elections.
I mean... a billionaire purchased a staffer that had a bad experience and was vocal about it.
Her data was stolen by Tom Steyer's campaign.
She is black. She is Indian. She is a woman.
People decrying her for being a cop now say that she should be AG.
I'm right there with those feeling doubtful about seeing a woman president in my lifetime.
Post by 5kcandlesinthewind on Dec 3, 2019 14:25:21 GMT -5
I’m now arguing with people I like about why she shouldn’t settle for being some loser’s VP. If I’m Kamala, it’s SCOTUS or I bide my time and run again.
Also, I am insanely pissed we lose out on Doug, too. Fuck this shit!
I like Kamala and wanted to see her put together a strong run. But her campaign has had a lot of issues with separate factions on the east and west coasts not seeing eye to eye, her top staff do not seem qualified, she never had clear messaging, and as we are moving forward, she wasnt able to put together anything concrete on serious issues like healthcare.
Some of her top staff resigned and said openly they had never been a part of such a fractured campaign.
If she kept running she would become in serious danger of not only wasting time, money, energy on a doomed presidential run but also losing her Senate seat.
I'm sorry to see her out, but I'm not surprised and I hope she is back in future elections.
She has had one of the most fleshed out messages of any of the candidates. IDK if her website is still up but she was extremely detailed and transparent on any issue I'm interested in.
I think the lack of media coverage (racism) was her main enemy. The other was the name recognition for Biden and Sanders (and Warren).
She absolutely did. But here's the problem, she was a "centrist" from the start. Reasonable, willing to give a little, and had platforms that really balanced the scales. The Democratic party is pushing so hard to the left that she's really not that appealing to the rabid primary voters. (And none of this takes into account the issues inside of her campaign, which almost certainly contributed.)
I honestly feel like we are making the same mistake as Republicans, just in the opposite direction. And while I don't think the party's platforms are wrong, I do think that if we continue this trend, we're going to become so polarized that there will never be any hope of getting things done. The parties will just stonewall one another back and forth every 4 years. Democracy was never meant to be this way.
I don't know. I'm feeling pretty demoralized right now.
I was nervous after this weekend reading all the hit pieces. But she also just held Thanksgiving in Iowa. She did this whole cute bit about inviting reporters over as she prepared food. I guess it just goes to show how precarious campaigns can be.
Post by sillygoosegirl on Dec 3, 2019 14:36:58 GMT -5
That sucks. She wasn't one of my top choices of all the candidates, but she certainly was one of my top choices amongst those who actually had a chance.
She has had one of the most fleshed out messages of any of the candidates. IDK if her website is still up but she was extremely detailed and transparent on any issue I'm interested in.
I think the lack of media coverage (racism) was her main enemy. The other was the name recognition for Biden and Sanders (and Warren).
She absolutely did. But here's the problem, she was a "centrist" from the start. Reasonable, willing to give a little, and had platforms that really balanced the scales. The Democratic party is pushing so hard to the left that she's really not that appealing to the rabid primary voters. (And none of this takes into account the issues inside of her campaign, which almost certainly contributed.)
I honestly feel like we are making the same mistake as Republicans, just in the opposite direction. And while I don't think the party's platforms are wrong, I do think that if we continue this trend, we're going to become so polarized that there will never be any hope of getting things done. The parties will just stonewall one another back and forth every 4 years. Democracy was never meant to be this way.
I don't know. I'm feeling pretty demoralized right now.
See here, I don't get this. The DNC doesn't want to support Bernie or Warren because they're too far to the left. Biden and Buttigieg have their own serious issues from a general election campaign perspective. Why did Bloomberg and Steyer jump in (and kneecap her campaign in the process, each in their own ways) rather than just supporting her? She seems like SUCH an obvious choice.
I know that on here and on Twitter the democratic party is pushing to the left. But the base lies with African Americans who, as a whole, are not as extreme-left, not to mention we'll need indy's in the rust belt where it matters. She checked off every one of those boxes, and yet two billionaire white men will be on the debate stage.
She absolutely did. But here's the problem, she was a "centrist" from the start. Reasonable, willing to give a little, and had platforms that really balanced the scales. The Democratic party is pushing so hard to the left that she's really not that appealing to the rabid primary voters. (And none of this takes into account the issues inside of her campaign, which almost certainly contributed.)
I honestly feel like we are making the same mistake as Republicans, just in the opposite direction. And while I don't think the party's platforms are wrong, I do think that if we continue this trend, we're going to become so polarized that there will never be any hope of getting things done. The parties will just stonewall one another back and forth every 4 years. Democracy was never meant to be this way.
I don't know. I'm feeling pretty demoralized right now.
See here, I don't get this. The DNC doesn't want to support Bernie or Warren because they're too far to the left. Biden and Buttigieg have their own serious issues from a general election campaign perspective. Why did Bloomberg and Steyer jump in (and kneecap her campaign in the process, each in their own ways) rather than just supporting her? She seems like SUCH an obvious choice.
I know that on here and on Twitter the democratic party is pushing to the left. But the base lies with African Americans who, as a whole, are not as extreme-left, not to mention we'll need indy's in the rust belt where it matters. She checked off every one of those boxes, and yet two billionaire white men will be on the debate stage.
Democrats and the DNC need to tread very lightly.
I totally agree and hope that was clear from my post.
I like Kamala and wanted to see her put together a strong run. But her campaign has had a lot of issues with separate factions on the east and west coasts not seeing eye to eye, her top staff do not seem qualified, she never had clear messaging, and as we are moving forward, she wasnt able to put together anything concrete on serious issues like healthcare.
Some of her top staff resigned and said openly they had never been a part of such a fractured campaign.
If she kept running she would become in serious danger of not only wasting time, money, energy on a doomed presidential run but also losing her Senate seat.
I'm sorry to see her out, but I'm not surprised and I hope she is back in future elections.
This is basically how my DH responded to me. He thinks she has a real shot in the future and a bright future ahead, but that her campaign was too broken internally to make it work.
Even still, I'm just so angry that people like Gabbard, Yang, Steyer, and allll the other white men are still in it. With Castro all but out too, I honestly don't have any idea who I want to vote for in the primary now.
Just remember, none of those people are actually going to win the nomination. Just because they are in it doesn't mean they are doing better than Harris or that people liked them more - it just means they feel like they have more time and money to burn and can't admit it when it's time to bow out.
I mean it's possible that a white man will end up being the nominee (probable, even?) but I don't see the fact that someone like Gabbard hasn't dropped out to reflect on Kamala at all. If anything it shows Kamala's smarter
Post by turnipthebeet on Dec 3, 2019 15:12:32 GMT -5
Put it this way. In 2015, at the December Republican debate, there were two Cubans and a black man, making it a more racially diverse stage than we'll see this month.
She absolutely did. But here's the problem, she was a "centrist" from the start. Reasonable, willing to give a little, and had platforms that really balanced the scales. The Democratic party is pushing so hard to the left that she's really not that appealing to the rabid primary voters. (And none of this takes into account the issues inside of her campaign, which almost certainly contributed.)
I honestly feel like we are making the same mistake as Republicans, just in the opposite direction. And while I don't think the party's platforms are wrong, I do think that if we continue this trend, we're going to become so polarized that there will never be any hope of getting things done. The parties will just stonewall one another back and forth every 4 years. Democracy was never meant to be this way.
I don't know. I'm feeling pretty demoralized right now.
See here, I don't get this. The DNC doesn't want to support Bernie or Warren because they're too far to the left. Biden and Buttigieg have their own serious issues from a general election campaign perspective. Why did Bloomberg and Steyer jump in (and kneecap her campaign in the process, each in their own ways) rather than just supporting her? She seems like SUCH an obvious choice.
I know that on here and on Twitter the democratic party is pushing to the left. But the base lies with African Americans who, as a whole, are not as extreme-left, not to mention we'll need indy's in the rust belt where it matters. She checked off every one of those boxes, and yet two billionaire white men will be on the debate stage.
Democrats and the DNC need to tread very lightly.
This is true but Harris also made a huge strategic error by targeting Iowa rather than South Carolina, which has a large African American base.
Post by suburbanzookeeper on Dec 3, 2019 15:21:15 GMT -5
The alert came through on my phone during lunch with my husband - LIVID does not begin to describe it, I was almost in tears, ranting, raving. The angry old white people behind us asked to be moved because I was so loud/vocal in my discussions with my husband (who was equally upset).
Julián Castro today was blasting the media treatment of Kamala.
Harris/Castro was one of my fantasy tickets.
I just got his campaign text about Harris dropping out. He mentions how the July debate had the most diverse field of candidates in its history. And now, five months later, we're in danger of losing that diversity altogether, as currently no people of color have met the requirements to be on the December debate stage.
This is so disheartening.
Also - a plug to donate to Castro if anyone hasn't. He's still a few thousand donors away from meeting the donor requirements for the next debate (per his text).