I'm not a journalist, so I don't know the answer to this, but is it unethical to cover/interview a known liar? I definitely stopped watching CNN long ago because there is no reason to cover trump every single day and every single tweet, so I think there is a line. But interviewing him or having a town hall at all, is that really the line? Obviously I hate trump, but I don't think it's fair to say that news networks should never interview him. That's not what democracy is about, that's a slippery slope.
I get this POV too. It just seems like he got so much press in 2016 bc he said horrible things and that contributed to his election. I worry the format of last night does the same
I didn't watch last night as I don't even have a tv, so I don't know how abc is generally covering him. But this seems like it had a specific goal of discussions and questions from "undecided" voters. So I have no problem with specific interviews or town halls, I don't think that's irresponsible, that's what media/journalism is for. That's different then every single tweet. Plus they fact checked his points.
I'm not a journalist, so I don't know the answer to this, but is it unethical to cover/interview a known liar? I definitely stopped watching CNN long ago because there is no reason to cover trump every single day and every single tweet, so I think there is a line. But interviewing him or having a town hall at all, is that really the line? Obviously I hate trump, but I don't think it's fair to say that news networks should never interview him. That's not what democracy is about, that's a slippery slope.
I get this POV too. It just seems like he got so much press in 2016 bc he said horrible things and that contributed to his election. I worry the format of last night does the same
I think that a lot of people who voted for Trump in 2016 in spite of/because of the fact that he said and tweeted terrible things thought that he was just a tough-talking dude who knew how to craft good policy, or that he was a smart guy who just wanted to “Shake things up” by being gross. And even if they knew he wouldn’t be good at governing his team would keep him in line, and accomplish the hard work for him while he threw rallies and pwned the libs with funny jokes.
Now that it’s clear that neither he nor his team knows what the fuck they’re doing, and that most of them are actively trying to sabotage the country, I wonder how many of those voters will go for him again. A good mani, I’m sure, but I’m sure some of them don’t think it’s cute anymore.
When do the debates start? I want to say I'm sad I missed this, but I'm not sure I could have watched it. I can barely stand hearing him speak, but I will be watching the debates.
I'm nervous about the debates and how Biden will approach them. He is very set in his ways and is grossed out by 45 but he needs to be effective and make the debate productive. I don't want to hear 'Cmon man' answers from him. I hope his team really works on that with him. He needs to come with facts because 45 is going to try and make a show out of it and get Biden to get in the dirt with him. Biden needs to maintain his cool.
Remember when Biden legit laughed in Paul Ryan's face during the VP debates? I honestly hope he does that because the rage of being laughed at might actually just do Trump in.
I would genuinely like to learn how best to reach people who aren’t aware that not voting can have disastrous consequences. Non-voters are a huge reason of why Trump is President.
I'm very guilty of this but this time I'm scared and going to vote. I've seen way too much pro-Trump stuff around and in some very surprising places even though I'm in a solid blue state. If the ballots come to our house, I'm going to make my husband fill one out too. He got one for the primaries but I did not. I have down the deadline to register.
I think by blasting social media? I know I'm getting weary of seeing voting reminders of FB, but at the same time it's this nagging thing that keeps reminding me there's a vote coming up.
I believe there are people who are undecided about whether they're going to make the effort to vote. They need to be reminded what's at stake if they don't get out to vote for Biden or do vote for Trump.
I really, really hope Biden isn't shy about calling out Trump's lies.
I would genuinely like to learn how best to reach people who aren’t aware that not voting can have disastrous consequences. Non-voters are a huge reason of why Trump is President. I totally understand that Biden isn’t the favorite candidate by a long shot, but I don’t know what messaging is needed to get people to vote him out. Biden is far from perfect but he can’t be compared to Trump. And the more time Trump gets in office, the lower the chance of someday fixing the system (which seems to be the argument from a lot of the “well Bernie didn’t win so fuck it, I’m not voting!!!” chucklefucks that I’ve seen).
If nothing else, get Trump out of there and give Biden four years to try and right the ship, and then by all means work toward a better candidate for 2024.
Check with Vote Forward or Moms Rising or your indivisible group for postcard mailings.
The Dem party is still doing phone banking, pretty much every day. Your local legislative district or your state party can direct you or sign you up, as can the Biden campaign. They have autodialers that can dial out for you and if there is no answer it will disconnect and move you to the next one; they're still in the "discovery" phase of "are you or aren't you going to vote and if so who do you support?" and "Please vote Nov. 3." You can also find your LD leader and speak to them about getting a precinct list with "undecideds" in your area that you might be able to call. I have access to Votebuilder as a PCO and the lists are broken down by Strong Dem, Likely Dem, Undecided, Likely Republican, Strong Republican. The phone banks will also be concentrating on "likely" and "undecided" but not targeting the Republican side of the lists.
I would genuinely like to learn how best to reach people who aren’t aware that not voting can have disastrous consequences. Non-voters are a huge reason of why Trump is President. I totally understand that Biden isn’t the favorite candidate by a long shot, but I don’t know what messaging is needed to get people to vote him out. Biden is far from perfect but he can’t be compared to Trump. And the more time Trump gets in office, the lower the chance of someday fixing the system (which seems to be the argument from a lot of the “well Bernie didn’t win so fuck it, I’m not voting!!!” chucklefucks that I’ve seen).
If nothing else, get Trump out of there and give Biden four years to try and right the ship, and then by all means work toward a better candidate for 2024.
Check with Vote Forward or Moms Rising or your indivisible group for postcard mailings.
The Dem party is still doing phone banking, pretty much every day. Your local legislative district or your state party can direct you or sign you up, as can the Biden campaign. They have autodialers that can dial out for you and if there is no answer it will disconnect and move you to the next one; they're still in the "discovery" phase of "are you or aren't you going to vote and if so who do you support?" and "Please vote Nov. 3." You can also find your LD leader and speak to them about getting a precinct list with "undecideds" in your area that you might be able to call. I have access to Votebuilder as a PCO and the lists are broken down by Strong Dem, Likely Dem, Undecided, Likely Republican, Strong Republican. The phone banks will also be concentrating on "likely" and "undecided" but not targeting the Republican side of the lists.
Great resources, thank you - I’m sending postcards to Georgia voters already and I’ll look into these things too.
Post by goldengirlz on Sept 16, 2020 15:31:33 GMT -5
In some ways, Trump is probably doing Biden a favor by casting him as mentally unfit. Isn’t there a whole political strategy about how you lower expectations so the candidate can more easily exceed them? When Biden comes across as articulate, or even just strings a coherent sentence together, people are like, huh, he did a good job. They’re not expecting an orator.
I don’t understand why a Fox News anchor gets to moderate the first debate but this is the world we live in, I guess.
In some ways, Trump is probably doing Biden a favor by casting him as mentally unfit. Isn’t there a whole political strategy about how you lower expectations so the candidate can more easily exceed them? When Biden comes across as articulate, or even just strings a coherent sentence together, people are like, huh, he did a good job. They’re not expecting an orator.
I don’t understand why a Fox News anchor gets to moderate the first debate but this is the world we live in, I guess.
The only ok news, is that Chris Wallace is the only semi-sane one over there, I think. I’m sure the orange menace wanted Tucker.
I would genuinely like to learn how best to reach people who aren’t aware that not voting can have disastrous consequences. Non-voters are a huge reason of why Trump is President. I totally understand that Biden isn’t the favorite candidate by a long shot, but I don’t know what messaging is needed to get people to vote him out. Biden is far from perfect but he can’t be compared to Trump. And the more time Trump gets in office, the lower the chance of someday fixing the system (which seems to be the argument from a lot of the “well Bernie didn’t win so fuck it, I’m not voting!!!” chucklefucks that I’ve seen).
If nothing else, get Trump out of there and give Biden four years to try and right the ship, and then by all means work toward a better candidate for 2024.
Check with Vote Forward or Moms Rising or your indivisible group for postcard mailings.
The Dem party is still doing phone banking, pretty much every day. Your local legislative district or your state party can direct you or sign you up, as can the Biden campaign. They have autodialers that can dial out for you and if there is no answer it will disconnect and move you to the next one; they're still in the "discovery" phase of "are you or aren't you going to vote and if so who do you support?" and "Please vote Nov. 3." You can also find your LD leader and speak to them about getting a precinct list with "undecideds" in your area that you might be able to call. I have access to Votebuilder as a PCO and the lists are broken down by Strong Dem, Likely Dem, Undecided, Likely Republican, Strong Republican. The phone banks will also be concentrating on "likely" and "undecided" but not targeting the Republican side of the lists.
Does Votebuilder get updated as people vote so you know not to focus on them anymore?
In some ways, Trump is probably doing Biden a favor by casting him as mentally unfit. Isn’t there a whole political strategy about how you lower expectations so the candidate can more easily exceed them? When Biden comes across as articulate, or even just strings a coherent sentence together, people are like, huh, he did a good job. They’re not expecting an orator.
I don’t understand why a Fox News anchor gets to moderate the first debate but this is the world we live in, I guess.
But then Trump says some stupid shit like Biden's on "performance enhancing drugs" (or at least someone told him that!)
I would genuinely like to learn how best to reach people who aren’t aware that not voting can have disastrous consequences. Non-voters are a huge reason of why Trump is President. I totally understand that Biden isn’t the favorite candidate by a long shot, but I don’t know what messaging is needed to get people to vote him out. Biden is far from perfect but he can’t be compared to Trump. And the more time Trump gets in office, the lower the chance of someday fixing the system (which seems to be the argument from a lot of the “well Bernie didn’t win so fuck it, I’m not voting!!!” chucklefucks that I’ve seen).
If nothing else, get Trump out of there and give Biden four years to try and right the ship, and then by all means work toward a better candidate for 2024.
Check with Vote Forward or Moms Rising or your indivisible group for postcard mailings.
The Dem party is still doing phone banking, pretty much every day. Your local legislative district or your state party can direct you or sign you up, as can the Biden campaign. They have autodialers that can dial out for you and if there is no answer it will disconnect and move you to the next one; they're still in the "discovery" phase of "are you or aren't you going to vote and if so who do you support?" and "Please vote Nov. 3." You can also find your LD leader and speak to them about getting a precinct list with "undecideds" in your area that you might be able to call. I have access to Votebuilder as a PCO and the lists are broken down by Strong Dem, Likely Dem, Undecided, Likely Republican, Strong Republican. The phone banks will also be concentrating on "likely" and "undecided" but not targeting the Republican side of the lists.
Im doing the Vote Forward letters to infrequent Democratic voters. The case-control study they did in Alabama indicate that it raised turnout by 3%. Small affect but every percentage point helps in a close election.
ETA: I have some background in health education, and in general multi-channel interventions work best. For example, if someone gets pro-smoking cessation messages through a billboard in their neighborhood, a flyer at a health fair, and a conversation with a co-worker, they are more likely to do a smoking cessation program than if they were just being bombarded with billboard messages or just receiving flyers weekly or just having conversations with co-workers. All this is to say is that we should try everything (letters, postcards, texts, advertising, Facebook status to acquaintances, voter phone calls). Receiving many messages from different sources embeds it in someone’s mind and has the potential to change behavior more than just one channel alone.
So in today's presser, 45 said that he's going to have a health care plan by the end of the month and it made me think about what he's going to pull out of the bag for October. I think he'll put Barr out there to charge Hunter or some made up shit. I also think he's convinced Clarence Thomas to step down. There isn't anyway we're going to get through October without some crazy shit. He's gonna throw it all out there and hope something sticks. He also said today that the numbers would be very low if he just removed the blue states from the totals.
In some ways, Trump is probably doing Biden a favor by casting him as mentally unfit. Isn’t there a whole political strategy about how you lower expectations so the candidate can more easily exceed them? When Biden comes across as articulate, or even just strings a coherent sentence together, people are like, huh, he did a good job. They’re not expecting an orator.
I don’t understand why a Fox News anchor gets to moderate the first debate but this is the world we live in, I guess.
The only ok news, is that Chris Wallace is the only semi-sane one over there, I think. I’m sure the orange menace wanted Tucker.
I’m sure he did. At least Wallace has a history of pushing back on Trump in interviews.
I don’t care how dumb his answers were. Instead I’m giving abc a huge side eye for giving him this opportunity when they know he’s a huge freaking liar and the fact they they say they would “fact check” will do nothing. Some people will watch this, say he seemed reasonable, and vote for him. I really just think it was foolish and dangerous of the network
This most likely has to do with the equal time for candidates that broadcast television stations have to adhere to. Since ABC aired the first Biden/Harris interview they had to give a Trump an equal opportunity.
Because, like Trump supporters, they’re selfish pricks who’d rather see the country burn than allow “others” to succeed.
They're also insulated by enough privilege that a second Trump term wouldn't hugely affect them.
I concur, and think it also is the case for non-Biden, privileged persons that are choosing not to vote, because they do not have a strong preference either way and are going to be fine (financially) regardless of who is president.
Check with Vote Forward or Moms Rising or your indivisible group for postcard mailings.
The Dem party is still doing phone banking, pretty much every day. Your local legislative district or your state party can direct you or sign you up, as can the Biden campaign. They have autodialers that can dial out for you and if there is no answer it will disconnect and move you to the next one; they're still in the "discovery" phase of "are you or aren't you going to vote and if so who do you support?" and "Please vote Nov. 3." You can also find your LD leader and speak to them about getting a precinct list with "undecideds" in your area that you might be able to call. I have access to Votebuilder as a PCO and the lists are broken down by Strong Dem, Likely Dem, Undecided, Likely Republican, Strong Republican. The phone banks will also be concentrating on "likely" and "undecided" but not targeting the Republican side of the lists.
Does Votebuilder get updated as people vote so you know not to focus on them anymore?
Votebuilder works more on person-to-person contact and party affiliation rather than "we know you voted" on a minute basis. It will be updated after elections, not on a vote-by-vote as they come in. It's a party mechanism rather than an elections one. They simply can't work that fast, and don't work in affiliation with the voting mechanism. It's a list of "we know your address and whether you voted and how often you vote and by telling how often, or having talked with you, we can determine exactly how tied in you are with a/the party and voting and politics.
Because, like Trump supporters, they’re selfish pricks who’d rather see the country burn than allow “others” to succeed.
They're also insulated by enough privilege that a second Trump term wouldn't hugely affect them.
So have these people not been impacted by the virus? Are they just living their lives like normal? Because #45 feels like nothing more could have been done and our response is amazing. Which is obviously not true. I don’t really want to live like this for the next four years.
They're also insulated by enough privilege that a second Trump term wouldn't hugely affect them.
So have these people not been impacted by the virus? Are they just living their lives like normal? Because #45 feels like nothing more could have been done and our response is amazing. Which is obviously not true. I don’t really want to live like this for the next four years.
I’m about as insulated and privileged as it gets, but I told my mom when all this started in the spring that this is really and truly the one way I have been personally impacted by Trump’s idiocy. Not like I wasn’t going to vote for Biden back in December, but after all of this, I just cannot fathom how literally anyone in this country feels unaffected enough to not vote.
They're also insulated by enough privilege that a second Trump term wouldn't hugely affect them.
So have these people not been impacted by the virus? Are they just living their lives like normal? Because #45 feels like nothing more could have been done and our response is amazing. Which is obviously not true. I don’t really want to live like this for the next four years.
There’s definitely a good deal of privilege that’s tied up in how directly you’ve been negatively impacted by the virus.
For instance: Bernie Sanders won California. Everywhere I look are young people with six-figure jobs who have left their San Francisco apartments to hunker down in Tahoe or Hawaii or the Oregon coast. They’re not healthcare workers caring for dying patients or service workers who were either laid off or worried for their own health as they deal with maskholes. They don’t have family members who demand their constant attention. They may have high-risk grandparents, but mostly that’s their parents’ problem. They think this pandemic is one big exciting adventure.
Sometimes I feel like there’s a secret club of people who are having a grand ol’ time while most of America suffers.
ETA: Granted, I’m painting an extreme example to make a point. But there are people who are definitely enjoying this. I don’t get it AT ALL, but maybe I’m just doing 2020 wrong.
I had a HUGE amount of Bernie supporters who hated on Clinton all the way up until the election, boasted about voting third party and even some friends who voted Clinton but still vocally supported those who didn't- I don't see any of that now. Everyone is all in on Biden, maybe not the most happy about it, but they're now all saying the shit I was saying to them in 2016. It's giving me a bit of hope, especially in PA where the third party vote really fucked us.
They're also insulated by enough privilege that a second Trump term wouldn't hugely affect them.
So have these people not been impacted by the virus? Are they just living their lives like normal? Because #45 feels like nothing more could have been done and our response is amazing. Which is obviously not true. I don’t really want to live like this for the next four years.
I think there are people who are privileged enough that this is not affecting them. I know people who are "enjoying" this. They have white collar jobs that can easily be done from home and are loving not having a commute, working in pajamas, etc. My friend who is realtor said this is a "tale of 2 pandemics" because a lot of these upper class workers are buying new houses because their income hasn't been affected and they are taking advantage of the super low interest rates. They are "sad" about their favorite restaurants losing business, but it doesn't directly affect them, so I'm not surprised their reality is very different from people in lower income and service jobs that are being decimated by this.
@@ I also think it much harder on families with kids, particularly women.
So have these people not been impacted by the virus? Are they just living their lives like normal? Because #45 feels like nothing more could have been done and our response is amazing. Which is obviously not true. I don’t really want to live like this for the next four years.
I think there are people who are privileged enough that this is not affecting them. I know people who are "enjoying" this. They have white collar jobs that can easily be done from home and are loving not having a commute, working in pajamas, etc. My friend who is realtor said this is a "tale of 2 pandemics" because a lot of these upper class workers are buying new houses because their income hasn't been affected and they are taking advantage of the super low interest rates. They are "sad" about their favorite restaurants losing business, but it doesn't directly affect them, so I'm not surprised their reality is very different from people in lower income and service jobs that are being decimated by this.
@@ I also think it much harder on families with kids, particularly women.
So much of this.
The schedule to put in a new pool in my area is reportedly next summer because they are so backed up with orders due to people repurposing their savings on daycare, commuting costs, and travel and deciding to vacation at home with a pool.
And then there are the restaurant and bar owners in our area who are pissed at our local blue leaders who imposed mandatory lockdowns and they are losing their businesses.
Add undercurrents of racism and fear of #BLM because of the Fox News spin equating protesters with looters and you have a lot of people voting for Trump.
I don’t think the Democratic Party realizes how damaging the “defund the police” movement is to their top ticket election goals. White people are scared as shit of losing strong police presence and enforcement and downplay the injustices against black and brown people more than ever.