I disagree. Choices have consequences. You choose not to do something that will reduce your need for your insurance company to pay, you pick up the difference. I see it like smoking.
I see the slippery slope melmaria is talking about in things like sedentary lifestyle or being obese. Some people may say that those are choices (even though we know they aren't, but then I feel like that raises the question with smoking around the idea of addiction and how much of that is a choice vs. an illness). I can just see how its tricky.
I don’t see it that way. Obesity is rarely a choice - there is often an underlying cause. I don’t disagree that it’s a slippery slope but I’m ok with it.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
I see the slippery slope melmaria is talking about in things like sedentary lifestyle or being obese. Some people may say that those are choices (even though we know they aren't, but then I feel like that raises the question with smoking around the idea of addiction and how much of that is a choice vs. an illness). I can just see how its tricky.
I don’t see it that way. Obesity is rarely a choice - there is usually an underlying cause.
I know that. I'm just saying I can see how it could become a slippery slope if employers start making those distinctions.
I want to like this because I like mandates, but tying healthcare to health choices feels like a problematic slippery slope to me.
I’d rather have mandates as a condition of employment (with medical exemptions only).
I disagree. Choices have consequences. You choose not to do something that will reduce your need for your insurance company to pay, you pick up the difference. I see it like smoking.
I agree that getting vaccinated is a choice, but I don't see how that makes it like smoking. To the best of my knowledge, being antivax isn't addictive.
My thought is that insurance sees it as a numbers game. Smoking and covid have cost insurance companies millions if not billions of dollars. At this point it's pretty clear cut that if you smoke and if you refuse to get the vaccine, you are 100% participating in a risky behavior that will cost them money. It really doesn't matter what joe-schmoe or public opinion thinks.
I disagree. Choices have consequences. You choose not to do something that will reduce your need for your insurance company to pay, you pick up the difference. I see it like smoking.
I agree that getting vaccinated is a choice, but I don't see how that makes it like smoking. To the best of my knowledge, being antivax isn't addictive.
As I said in my previous post, it has nothing to do with addiction, etc. It has everything to do with how much insurance agencies have to pay to treat people.
Unvaccinated Americans who were hospitalized with COVID-19 cost the U.S. health care system $2.3 billion in June and July, according to a new report from The Peterson Center on Healthcare and the Kaiser Family Foundation — and that’s “likely an understatement,” the researchers wrote.
I agree that getting vaccinated is a choice, but I don't see how that makes it like smoking. To the best of my knowledge, being antivax isn't addictive.
As I said in my previous post, it has nothing to do with addiction, etc. It has everything to do with how much insurance agencies have to pay to treat people.
Not to mention those costs have to be absorbed by someone. I agree it’s a slippery slope, but my insurance premiums are high enough. I have no problem with those who refuse a preventative measure paying more.
I disagree. Choices have consequences. You choose not to do something that will reduce your need for your insurance company to pay, you pick up the difference. I see it like smoking.
I agree that getting vaccinated is a choice, but I don't see how that makes it like smoking. To the best of my knowledge, being antivax isn't addictive.
My company has pretty stiff additional charges if you don't get a physical every year. I see this as similar--you're opting out of something that improves medical outcomes, leading to increased medical costs.
Well, I’m back to rethinking the Alanis concert next week. My friend is wavering because of all the potential exposures she has now (that she didn’t have a week ago). And it also makes me 😢 that she isn’t concerned about the concert, but exposing me.
And this conversation is making me rethink, well, pretty much everything. We had a nice rhythm to life. Things were going well. But now, exposures are going to skyrocket. And, most of my friends will fall into the same category she does - which is trying to control what she can, but subject to the factors she can’t control.
I go round and round, but there is a not small part of my brain that still thinks “let’s just get it over with…” if I ever get a positive test, I’ll be calling my doctor immediately for the MAB infusion, and I’m 90% sure I’ll qualify. And between that and vaccine… *sigh*
I know we aren’t supposed to talk @ in the non@ thread. But, I’m really starting to really see the effects of @ schools on the community as a whole. I’d argue this is different than the discussion in the @ thread.
While it was mostly for other reasons, one of the reasons I ate my concert ticket last week is because of the "what if?" factor. I did not expect to be in the position again to rethink almost everything I do, but here I am. I know you have a lot more to consider too which makes it so much harder.
Velar Fricative, thanks. The somewhat good news is that because they implemented vaccines requirements, they are offering refunds. So at least I get my money out. I considered inviting someone else, but everyone else Incan think of has the same confound. And it doesn’t seem fair to her is she skips for those reasons, and she sees me going with someone else with like her. Although, she is the one who is hesitating more than me.
Well, I’m back to rethinking the Alanis concert next week. My friend is wavering because of all the potential exposures she has now (that she didn’t have a week ago). And it also makes me 😢 that she isn’t concerned about the concert, but exposing me.
And this conversation is making me rethink, well, pretty much everything. We had a nice rhythm to life. Things were going well. But now, exposures are going to skyrocket. And, most of my friends will fall into the same category she does - which is trying to control what she can, but subject to the factors she can’t control.
I go round and round, but there is a not small part of my brain that still thinks “let’s just get it over with…” if I ever get a positive test, I’ll be calling my doctor immediately for the MAB infusion, and I’m 90% sure I’ll qualify. And between that and vaccine… *sigh*
I know we aren’t supposed to talk @ in the non@ thread. But, I’m really starting to really see the effects of @ schools on the community as a whole. I’d argue this is different than the discussion in the @ thread.
I went, and now I’m spending every day waiting to see if I get sick or if non vaccinated household members get sick. One fun night isn’t worth all the stress and paranoia I’ve been dealing with since. Which sucks because it was a really fun concert.
My fury with the unvaxxed has reached new heights. My 73 year old aunt has had a bacterial lung infection that is not responding to treatment. It is not due to COVID. The next treatment option is a two week course of infusions, given via a PICC line, that have to be done three times a day and each lasting four hours. This should be done in a hospital, but there are no beds available, so it’ll be done at home with training from a home health nurse. I am so unspeakably angry right now.
rubytue, you are welcome to join me and my friend, both of whom aren't exposed to classroom germs. I can't guarantee that I didn't pick up COVID somewhere, but everyone at work is vaccinated and (mostly) masked so my daily exposure risk is fairly low compared to many.
Of course I've been to 3 events with a decent amount of people lately, and I'm going to see the Orioles on Saturday, so who knows! It will be a full 2 weeks after the first two events by the time this one rolls around, at least. And the other one was a concert at Merriweather so basically the same type of exposure this concert will be.
rubytue , you are welcome to join me and my friend, both of whom aren't exposed to classroom germs. I can't guarantee that I didn't pick up COVID somewhere, but everyone at work is vaccinated and (mostly) masked so my daily exposure risk is fairly low compared to many.
Of course I've been to 3 events with a decent amount of people lately, and I'm going to see the Orioles on Saturday, so who knows! It will be a full 2 weeks after the first two events by the time this one rolls around, at least. And the other one was a concert at Merriweather so basically the same type of exposure this concert will be.
Aww thanks! If she bails, I probably will to. Because I’m now rethinking everything. I appreciate the fact that she is thinking of things more clearly than me. I guess.
it’s funny though, we found out another set of friends are coming. So we are making dinner plans with them and such. They are all concerned with getting there early and findings a good seat, and me and other friend are all like “we’ll be in the back, uncrowded section”
rubytue , you are welcome to join me and my friend, both of whom aren't exposed to classroom germs. I can't guarantee that I didn't pick up COVID somewhere, but everyone at work is vaccinated and (mostly) masked so my daily exposure risk is fairly low compared to many.
Of course I've been to 3 events with a decent amount of people lately, and I'm going to see the Orioles on Saturday, so who knows! It will be a full 2 weeks after the first two events by the time this one rolls around, at least. And the other one was a concert at Merriweather so basically the same type of exposure this concert will be.
Aww thanks! If she bails, I probably will to. Because I’m now rethinking everything. I appreciate the fact that she is thinking of things more clearly than me. I guess.
it’s funny though, we found out another set of friends are coming. So we are making dinner plans with them and such. They are all concerned with getting there early and findings a good seat, and me and other friend are all like “we’ll be in the back, uncrowded section”
do you know if I can bring binoculars in? 😂
I think that makes a lot of sense! I am admittedly not a great judge lately, I am feeling kind of nihilistic about COVID lately.
I am pretty sure you can bring them! But it might be crowded anyway. I was there Saturday and I didn't check out the very back, but the lawn was pretty covered. It wasn't jam packed like everyone touching each other crowded, but there weren't more than a couple of feet between groups. If you want to stay 6+ feet away you might have trouble.
I read that about Orlando last week. I'm supposed to be in Tampa at the end of next month. I am NOT looking forward to it. The *only* positive I can think is that the airline prices are low enough that we're traveling first class so my husband and I will be sitting beside each other and know our health status. Plus we're renting a house instead of going to a hotel, and we'll be huddling there except for the two times we absolutely *have* to be in public. And at that point, we'll be in KN95 masks and staying as far away from as many people as possible. This is one trip I'm not really looking forward to, but I'm gritting my teeth, will be hugging (from as far away as possible) as little as possible and getting out as fast as I can.
Our hospitalization rates are back at January levels here. However, I read a statement from someone at our hospital this morning saying that right now, they’re admitting people that they wouldn’t have in the past. They’ve learned that being proactive in treatment has better results than waiting until they absolutely cannot stay at home. If they can get treatments started sooner, the outcome is better. That makes sense and is consistent with what I’ve read other places. It also makes me feel a little better about the number of people hospitalized, especially the vaccinated.
That said, they’re getting close to levels where they’re going to possibly have to start postponing surgeries. Either way you look at it, that’s not good.
Post by Velar Fricative on Aug 27, 2021 10:08:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know if hospitals admit patients who need Regeneron? Or do they treat them with it on an outpatient basis? I'm wondering if that impacts hospitalization numbers but hopefully keeps people in hospitals for only a brief time.
Does anyone know if hospitals admit patients who need Regeneron? Or do they treat them with it on an outpatient basis? I'm wondering if that impacts hospitalization numbers but hopefully keeps people in hospitals for only a brief time.
Here it's outpatient.
One of our good friends is going in today for treatment. He's really really not doing well. If the antibody treatment doesn't help him he will be admitted. I'm very worried but also so frustrated that they never got vaccinated.
Does anyone know if hospitals admit patients who need Regeneron? Or do they treat them with it on an outpatient basis? I'm wondering if that impacts hospitalization numbers but hopefully keeps people in hospitals for only a brief time.
I've heard of several people getting outpatient treatments to hopefully keep them from being admitted. Not sure if it's infusions or monoclonal antibodies or something else??
Does anyone know if hospitals admit patients who need Regeneron? Or do they treat them with it on an outpatient basis? I'm wondering if that impacts hospitalization numbers but hopefully keeps people in hospitals for only a brief time.
My understanding is it’s an outpatient infusion. Sometimes given at the hospital, but not as an admit. Likely in an infusion center.
Post by goldengirlz on Aug 27, 2021 11:06:59 GMT -5
As the grandchild of Holocaust survivors, if there’s one anti-vaxxer “argument” I HATE it’s the comparison to Nazi Germany. It’s so offensive, and ignorant. I’m glad this article is calling out the particular irony of police unions screaming about Nazis because they don’t want to get vaccinated. Because if you want to draw a comparison between policing in this country and Nazi Germany … let’s just say our militarized police would not be the Jews in that analogy. Good grief.
I want to like this because I like mandates, but tying healthcare to health choices feels like a problematic slippery slope to me.
I’d rather have mandates as a condition of employment (with medical exemptions only).
I disagree. Choices have consequences. You choose not to do something that will reduce your need for your insurance company to pay, you pick up the difference. I see it like smoking.
Do you feel the same about consuming alcohol? We've acknowledged the risks of smoking as a society, but we haven't really faced up to the health costs of alcohol. Both contribute to cancer risks and with both addiction is an issue.
Does anyone know if hospitals admit patients who need Regeneron? Or do they treat them with it on an outpatient basis? I'm wondering if that impacts hospitalization numbers but hopefully keeps people in hospitals for only a brief time.
I thought they were outpatient, but Remdesivir and monoclonal antibodies were both listed in the statement about admitting people they previously wouldn’t have.
That said, even doctors have biases. So…it *could* be someone downplaying the situation.
Does anyone know if hospitals admit patients who need Regeneron? Or do they treat them with it on an outpatient basis? I'm wondering if that impacts hospitalization numbers but hopefully keeps people in hospitals for only a brief time.
Here it is outpatient (at the local fairgrounds…). Jacksonville is using a library. In Florida, we are being told MCA is for before you are at the hospital—if you go to the hospital, it is too late.
Does anyone know if hospitals admit patients who need Regeneron? Or do they treat them with it on an outpatient basis? I'm wondering if that impacts hospitalization numbers but hopefully keeps people in hospitals for only a brief time.
If you’re well enough for Regeneron, you don’t need to be admitted. If you need to be admitted you’re too sick to receive Regeneron.
I disagree. Choices have consequences. You choose not to do something that will reduce your need for your insurance company to pay, you pick up the difference. I see it like smoking.
Do you feel the same about consuming alcohol? We've acknowledged the risks of smoking as a society, but we haven't really faced up to the health costs of alcohol. Both contribute to cancer risks and with both addiction is an issue.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
If I could cure my obesity with a vaccine I’d take it straight in my eyeball.
ETA In all seriousness, there’s a safe, effective, free and FDA approved method for reducing your risk of covid-19 infection. It’s a million times harder and more expensive to give up smoking, lose (+keep off) significant extra weight, quit drinking, etc etc. I’m totally on board with any premiums for someone who won’t make the correct choice here (barring rare exemptions). Not to mention other health choices typically don’t impact the risk for other people to get sick/require hospitalization/die - that massively drives up costs for insurance companies beyond just the insured person who won’t get the vaccine (who may be young and healthy but pass it onto 7 other people who may not be).