Trump & Co liable for fraud - Judge rules

[4speedy]

I can’t remember if I ever posted this story here. I was going to visit a friend’s apartment for the first time in Seoul. (We lived there at the time). My friend lived in Tr.u.mp Tower III, which TFG did not own but his name was licensed to the building. She sent me Google map directions, which showed a satellite photo of her building. I noticed it has a helicopter pad on the roof, which was odd because there was a military base near her building so only military helicopters were allowed to fly in the nearby airspace. I mentioned it to her when I got to her apartment. She laughed and said that all the high rises south of the river in Gangnam had helicopter pads on the roof and TFG wanted any building with his name on it to be as fancy as the ones in Gangnam so he required they paint a fake landing pad on the roof before they could put his name on the building. When they did that, they also raised the rent due to a “helicopter pad access fee” being added, despite the fact that there were no stairs or elevators for the residents to get up to the roof (And a small matter of the military shooting them down if they tried to land a helicopter there).  This was done in 2017, so clearly TFG was doing shady shit to manipulate rent/building value so that he could charge more for the licensing of his name after his election.

[aurora]

4speedy, that's funny in a sad sort of way. Almost everything about him is fake! Except for the very real danger he poses to our country.

[pumpkin]

Just now catching up on this stuff, but didn’t Sarbanes-Oxley come into being after shady business dealings like this?

[mcsangel2]

Oct 26, 2023 18:11:27 GMT -5 pumpkin said:

Just now catching up on this stuff, but didn’t Sarbanes-Oxley come into being after shady business dealings like this?

yep, following Enron and Worldcom. It created sooooo many accounting jobs.

[Jalapeñomel]

Oct 25, 2023 21:08:50 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

This case just keeps getting wilder. Most (all?) of the witnesses up to this point keep saying Trump and his three older kids were directly involved in everything.

Then Trump did this today - www.politico.com/news/2023/10/25/trump-judge-gag-order-new-york-00123505

I don't think Trump grasps that he's not getting out of this.

It’s mind boggling he can just get up and walk out.

[macmars45]

I hope the judge does jail him for his future violations. Millions of people would be grateful.

[spinnaker5]

Oct 26, 2023 18:11:27 GMT -5 pumpkin said:

Just now catching up on this stuff, but didn’t Sarbanes-Oxley come into being after shady business dealings like this?

Yes. But the Sarbanes-Oxley rules that the SEC was required to put in place after Congress passed the legislation (same with Dodd-Frank after the global financial crisis) only apply to publicly-traded companies; those that list their stock on the NYSE or NASDAQ. Privately-held companies, like the Chump’s, have few or no required disclosures and can be much less transparent, if not completely make shit up, about their business results. Public companies also have much stricter requirements about independent board members, audits by legit independent accounting firms, and more. 

[pumpkin]

Oct 26, 2023 19:25:02 GMT -5 spinnaker5 said:

Oct 26, 2023 18:11:27 GMT -5 pumpkin said:

Just now catching up on this stuff, but didn’t Sarbanes-Oxley come into being after shady business dealings like this?

Yes. But the Sarbanes-Oxley rules that the SEC was required to put in place after Congress passed the legislation (same with Dodd-Frank after the global financial crisis) only apply to publicly-traded companies; those that list their stock on the NYSE or NASDAQ. Privately-held companies, like the Chump’s, have few or no required disclosures and can be much less transparent, if not completely make shit up, about their business results. Public companies also have much stricter requirements about independent board members, audits by legit independent accounting firms, and more. 

Thank you for the info. It’s one of those things that was scratching in my brain but I didn’t know the details.

[al dente]

Oct 26, 2023 19:18:58 GMT -5 macmars45 said:

I hope the judge does jail him for his future violations. Millions of people would be grateful.

Do judges get a security detail on these types of cases? I mean I hope the same, but I would be very concerned being the judge or their family that brought that verdict.

[pixy0stix]

Ivanka and the orange fool himself are set to testify - apnews.com/article/donald-trump-fraud-lawsuit-trial-ivanka-trump-testimony-c7018a92f3a2cb2496a55ad1cacf2412

Donald Trump is set to testify Nov. 6 in civil fraud trial. Daughter Ivanka also will testify

[StrawberryBlondie]

Oct 27, 2023 16:36:36 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Ivanka and the orange fool himself are set to testify - apnews.com/article/donald-trump-fraud-lawsuit-trial-ivanka-trump-testimony-c7018a92f3a2cb2496a55ad1cacf2412

Donald Trump is set to testify Nov. 6 in civil fraud trial. Daughter Ivanka also will testify

Ivanka's going to throw him under the bus, isn't she?

[VillainV]

Oct 27, 2023 18:55:39 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Oct 27, 2023 16:36:36 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Ivanka and the orange fool himself are set to testify - apnews.com/article/donald-trump-fraud-lawsuit-trial-ivanka-trump-testimony-c7018a92f3a2cb2496a55ad1cacf2412

Donald Trump is set to testify Nov. 6 in civil fraud trial. Daughter Ivanka also will testify

Ivanka's going to throw him under the bus, isn't she?

As much as I hate her and want to see her punished, I really really hope she sells him out.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Oct 27, 2023 18:57:52 GMT -5 VillainV said:

Oct 27, 2023 18:55:39 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Ivanka's going to throw him under the bus, isn't she?

As much as I hate her and want to see her punished, I really really hope she sells him out.

She's the only one of the bunch that I think has a sense of self-preservation so I think she might.

[spindle92]

Oct 27, 2023 18:57:52 GMT -5 VillainV said:

Oct 27, 2023 18:55:39 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Ivanka's going to throw him under the bus, isn't she?

As much as I hate her and want to see her punished, I really really hope she sells him out.

and then imagine the awful shit he will say about her.
This is playing out like a soap opera.

[pixy0stix]

Apparently Beavis and Butthead are also being ordered to appear. The whole family gets a turn.

[pixy0stix]

Jr. will be in the hot seat today.

[cap]

Nov 1, 2023 10:17:44 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jr. will be in the hot seat today.

Is he Beavis or Butthead?  

[pixy0stix]

Nov 1, 2023 14:59:16 GMT -5 cap said:

Nov 1, 2023 10:17:44 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jr. will be in the hot seat today.

Is he Beavis or Butthead?  

Is this where I confess that I can't tell them apart? LOL!

[pixy0stix]

Jr, of course, denied he helped prepare the documents - www.politico.com/news/2023/11/01/donald-trump-jr-testimony-civil-fraud-trial-00124832

[pixy0stix]

The second of the duo testified today - thehill.com/homenews/4290411-trumps-sons-distance-themselves-from-financial-statements-in-new-york-fraud-trial-testimony/

They really don't understand that they've already been found guilty. I keep saying that, but I don't understand the how of it.

[basilosaurus]

Nov 2, 2023 16:49:19 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

The second of the duo testified today - thehill.com/homenews/4290411-trumps-sons-distance-themselves-from-financial-statements-in-new-york-fraud-trial-testimony/

They really don't understand that they've already been found guilty. I keep saying that, but I don't understand the how of it.

This trial isn't about guilt but rather sentencing. At least that's my understanding

[cap]

Nov 2, 2023 16:49:19 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

The second of the duo testified today - thehill.com/homenews/4290411-trumps-sons-distance-themselves-from-financial-statements-in-new-york-fraud-trial-testimony/

They really don't understand that they've already been found guilty. I keep saying that, but I don't understand the how of it.

Mediocre white male privilege (except they're quite far below mediocre). Plus years of doing all sorts of illegal things and not having any consequences. 

[ans1999]

I heard a quote from Don Jr. today. He basically said that he didn't have initimate knowledge of the finances but because he signed off on it, he's being held liable. Um, yes sir. That is exactly what signing a legal document does- holds you accountable. What an idiot. 

[pixy0stix]

The big orange foolius is taking the stand today. I'm halfway expecting him to end up in jail for threatening the court today.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Nov 6, 2023 9:59:44 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

The big orange foolius is taking the stand today. I'm halfway expecting him to end up in jail for threatening the court today.

There is no way this will end up being a good decision for him. Zero.

[pixy0stix]

I'm following Kyle Griffin (MSNBC) on threads for live updates - www.threads.net/@griffinkyle

30 min in, and it's wild already.

[pixy0stix]

I dearly wish I could watch this live. The judge has asked Trump's lawyers to control him.

[ECB]

Nov 6, 2023 11:04:25 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I dearly wish I could watch this live. The judge has asked Trump's lawyers to control him.

I saw that headline. Supposedly told him to just answer the question. Stop meandering. Shocking that he’s meandering 😂

[AAM2012]

Lolololol


What a shit show!

[AAM2012]

Why is today the only say he’ll testify? Like if he continues to drag this, doesn’t the prosecutor have the right to bring him back?