I didn't say I didn't want them CLOSE to my house, I said I don't particularly want ONE directly in front of my house. I guess in case they create extra noise?? Not sure why I'm feeling this way about it, that's why I am asking for other's opinions.
The city did decide where to put them, but the map has been revised at least once because originally there wasn't supposed to be one in front of our house. The city has reached out to the residents for feedback on the placement as well.
I don't think they are really needed in the hood, to be honest. I've been here 20years, not one kid or dog has been hit by a car. This study has been underway for years now, when we were first asked about it I voted NO (the minority, apparently) lol. I don't think speeding is really an issue here.
Not to mention, it says so right on the map the speed bumps will slow down emergency vehicle response time.
this reads to me like "until a kid or pet is hit and maimed or killed, no speed bumps!"
This is really the only question that matters and the one OP hasn’t answered 🤣
I didn't say I didn't want them CLOSE to my house, I said I don't particularly want ONE directly in front of my house. I guess in case they create extra noise?? Not sure why I'm feeling this way about it, that's why I am asking for other's opinions.
The city did decide where to put them, but the map has been revised at least once because originally there wasn't supposed to be one in front of our house. The city has reached out to the residents for feedback on the placement as well.
I don't think they are really needed in the hood, to be honest. I've been here 20years, not one kid or dog has been hit by a car. This study has been underway for years now, when we were first asked about it I voted NO (the minority, apparently) lol. I don't think speeding is really an issue here.
Not to mention, it says so right on the map the speed bumps will slow down emergency vehicle response time.
Did they do a study of speeding? Because our road had to meet a certain threshold to qualify. More than 500 cars over a 24-hr period and the average speed more than 29/hr? Or something like that.
this reads to me like "until a kid or pet is hit and maimed or killed, no speed bumps!"
No, not at all. I am just giving background.
That may be, but it comes off as pretty unbalanced "background" because it sets up a perceived equivalence between someone else's child being hit by a car (ranging from serious injury to tragedy), and a need for speed bumps (little inconvenience to community including you). That's the other side of the coin that says, meh, no accidents in 20 years is proof that we don't need these things that I have voted against and clearly do not want!
I tried to be more objective in my first response, but the more you protest, the more inwardly-focused your views sound. From what I gather, you're a no because you're just "not crazy about it," it's been 20 years with no tragedies, you don't want change in the street near your front yard, and you don't want emergency vehicles to be slowed by any number of seconds. All of this "background" is conveniently aligned with your NO position, but you must recognize that other "background" details probably exist, right?
Let me give you an example.
I'm a runner in my own neighborhood and beyond, and a parent of kids who bike and run in my neighborhood. I've nearly been hit by cars myself within my residential neighborhood several times just in the last year while running. I wear bright colors, run right along the edge of the road, and I usually run in daylight. If it's dark I wear reflective gear and a head lamp. I do what I can. But there are just times when drivers are not looking for a pedestrian, and are not expecting me to be there. They are just looking on the road for other cars, and are not looking for things moving at pedestrian size/speed. Add that to going faster than they should be, and it creates a dangerous situation for a pedestrian. I've had some stunningly close calls, I wouldn't believe it if it didn't actually happen to me. Meanwhile I drive through the same neighborhood all the time and have never felt any of that danger, because other drivers are constantly looking for something as big as my car. It's a totally different experience.
Do the drivers in my neighborhood not need to slow down because they haven't actually hit me yet? Of course that's not the correct measure. But that's what it sounds like you're suggesting when you protest that there have been 20 years of no actual collisions. That discounts all the near misses, the associated anxiety about next time, and the real possibility that next time might not be a miss.
I'd like to submit to you that if you don't spend a lot of time specifically as a pedestrian on your neighborhood streets, and you're not a parent of children who do, you might not be in the best position to assess true need for this intervention. I don't live anywhere near you, so I'm not invested in what your neighborhood ends up deciding. I just offer these thoughts to consider when you talk about these issues with people who may have greater need of protection than you do. You currently don't sound very considerate of that position.
mrsd2006 Like others have said, I was also wondering why you didn’t want a speed bump in front of your house. But since you don’t really know why, and you don’t have kids who play in the street, and you seem to think you know more than a years-long study that determined that they are needed, and you don’t seem to think any action is necessary until a tragedy has already occurred, then to answer the question in your OP, yes, I would say you’re being unreasonable. I don’t even mean this snarkily, it’s just that given all the info, I don’t see your objection as reasonable.
The good news, I guess, is that since most people probably couldn’t care less about this (I wouldn’t), you can probably find someone who will take yours.
You still need to slow down if you don't want car damage, they help with drainage, and if you take them at a good slow speed they aren't jarring at all. Speed bumps are unpleasant to drive over no matter how slow you go. With inverse speed bumps, you naturally comply without even thinking (it just becomes routine) but speed bumps, no matter how wanted, are also always annoying to drive over.
I was thrilled when my neighborhood switched and would be pissed if we went back to speed bumps.
I think we just call those potholes Very effective, although hard to control placement.
Seriously though, it sound like an interesting idea. I wonder if it works better for low profile cars than the bumps.
My DH is a transportation engineer. We live in a relatively new neighborhood in a city that no longer installs speed humps/bumps. The reason is that it doesn't actually slow people down, they just speed up more in between. But people in our neighborhood keep asking for them anyway. We've had speed checks done in the past and the vast majority of people do not speed, which means there would be no incentive for them to be built even if the city allowed it.
I wondered about this; I thought speed bumps were outdated. Our neighborhood has a few but they have switched to other forms of traffic calming in the last few years that is supposed to be more effective.
In general, cities don't do things just for the heck of it. Especially civil engineering projects. There's usually studies done, and a ton of background work before it even gets to citizens. It was always frustrating to get calls where people didn't "feel" like XYZ was needed.
My DH is a transportation engineer. We live in a relatively new neighborhood in a city that no longer installs speed humps/bumps. The reason is that it doesn't actually slow people down, they just speed up more in between. But people in our neighborhood keep asking for them anyway. We've had speed checks done in the past and the vast majority of people do not speed, which means there would be no incentive for them to be built even if the city allowed it.
I wondered about this; I thought speed bumps were outdated. Our neighborhood has a few but they have switched to other forms of traffic calming in the last few years that is supposed to be more effective.
Maybe it’s…regional
dutchgirl678 Is there a better method than speed bumps in small neighborhoods? Is it just randomly placing traffic cones in the middle of the road that cars need to swerve around? Because that's Hs idea whenever he gets really frustrated by our neighbors 😂
You still need to slow down if you don't want car damage, they help with drainage, and if you take them at a good slow speed they aren't jarring at all. Speed bumps are unpleasant to drive over no matter how slow you go. With inverse speed bumps, you naturally comply without even thinking (it just becomes routine) but speed bumps, no matter how wanted, are also always annoying to drive over.
I was thrilled when my neighborhood switched and would be pissed if we went back to speed bumps.
I think we just call those potholes Very effective, although hard to control placement.
Seriously though, it sound like an interesting idea. I wonder if it works better for low profile cars than the bumps.
Lol.
We used to have a speed bump at the base of my block right after you enter the neighborhood. It was an annoying necessity (but understandable, especially when I didn't know there were alternatives) and debris would always pile up on the "uphill" side after a big rain storm (there is a very mild incline to our street).
Last repaving, they replaced it with a similar depth drainage dip running full width across street width but at a slight angle to work well for the run off. It's awesome. No messy build up after storms, no "kathunk" feeling when you drive over it at low speed. Low riders aren't negatively affected. But it slows down cars really well. And you can't drive around it because it doesn't dip back down on the sides like a speed bump. People don't even put out their "plastic neon kid holding a flag" thingies anymore pandorica
I think we just call those potholes Very effective, although hard to control placement.
Seriously though, it sound like an interesting idea. I wonder if it works better for low profile cars than the bumps.
Lol. We used to have a speed bump at the base of my block right after you enter the neighborhood. it was annoying (but understandable, especially when I didn't know there were alternatives) and gunk would always build up on the "uphill" side after a rain storm (there is a very mild incline to our street, but rain run off could tell. Last repaving, they replaced it with a similar depth drainage dip running across the full street but at a slight angle to work well for run off. It's awesome. No messy build up after storms, no "kathunk" feeling when you drive over it. Low riders aren't negatively affected. But it still slows down cars really well. And you can't drive around it because it doesn't dip on the sides like a speed bump. People don't even put out their "plastic neon kid holding a flag" thingies anymore pandorica
It should be the new standard.
Is the roadway along the curb then the same elevation as the drainage dip? Or are there catch basins in every dip? Or do these roads not have curbs? How do they prevent water from pooling in the dip?
Lol. We used to have a speed bump at the base of my block right after you enter the neighborhood. it was annoying (but understandable, especially when I didn't know there were alternatives) and gunk would always build up on the "uphill" side after a rain storm (there is a very mild incline to our street, but rain run off could tell. Last repaving, they replaced it with a similar depth drainage dip running across the full street but at a slight angle to work well for run off. It's awesome. No messy build up after storms, no "kathunk" feeling when you drive over it. Low riders aren't negatively affected. But it still slows down cars really well. And you can't drive around it because it doesn't dip on the sides like a speed bump. People don't even put out their "plastic neon kid holding a flag" thingies anymore pandorica
It should be the new standard.
Is the roadway along the curb then the same elevation as the drainage dip? Or are there catch basins in every dip? Or do these roads not have curbs? How do they prevent water from pooling in the dip?
Ours is specifically designed so it feeds right into the curb drainage and natural water flow pattern. It actually improves curb drainage. It's the work of those crazy civil engineers and their planning that others have mentioned up thread. lol.
In general, cities don't do things just for the heck of it. Especially civil engineering projects. There's usually studies done, and a ton of background work before it even gets to citizens. It was always frustrating to get calls where people didn't "feel" like XYZ was needed.
Yeah, we've been trying for years to have traffic calming devices put in at our intersection. There is a stop sign north/south but not east/west. People speed east/west and many people run the stop sign so it can be dangerous. The city won't do anything unless we've had 3 documented accidents in a year. And by documented it has to be reported to the police. We've had a number of accidents that weren't serious enough to report to the police so those don't count.
So in our experience they don't put them in unless there is a documented reason.
I hate speed bumps. I think they're largely useless and mostly just make me physically uncomfortable being jostled in my car (not speeding, I swear). I've seen more people fly in around between and over them to think they're actually doing a damn thing.
Post by twilightmv on Feb 16, 2024 19:20:55 GMT -5
We have them in my neighborhood and they are only positive. They go across the whole road so you can’t go around them, and there are a few spaced apart to keep people from speeding up around the loop. They are removed during snow season but during snow season, kids aren’t in the street anyway.