bakery / gay couple / cake lawsuit + racist rant

[Jermys]

Also, there's this www.examiner.com/article/sweet-cakes-by-melissa-posts-racist-rant-on-facebook?cid=db_articles

[emisi]

Feb 5, 2013 20:13:34 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

As they closed their shop after serving people from Tacoma, Wash., to Halfway, Ore., Aaron and Melissa said they’ve received letters calling them “bigots” and “intolerant.” But the couple said they’re not discriminatory.

“We’re not hateful people,” Melissa said. “We’re just standing up for what we believe in.”

Aaron and Melissa, who could face fines if it’s found they violated the Oregon Equality Act, called the law “petty” and “intolerant.”

But they added that they won’t succumb to the threats of fines and intend to fight the investigation.

“I’m willing to stand up for God, and I’m going to stand up for my beliefs,” Melissa said. “If I lose this business, if I lose that for God, then I lose it for God. And I’ll be proud to lose it for him. That’s just me. That’s what I believe.”

Ugh.  Yes, you ARE discriminatory.  You discriminated against a gay couple. 

And these types of protests are just so awesome.  Let's show our support for homophobia and discrimination!  That'll show The Man!

[smock]

Wait. They are seriously arguing that the law against discrimination is "petty"?!? The people who refused to sell a cake to a gay couple thinks the LAW is petty?!?

[Velar Fricative]

It's one thing for the store owners to be gay-hating assholes, but I'm more angry that they had their busiest day ever because of what they did. I'd want business owners who turn away customers to learn the usual consequences of turning away business, and here they are being rewarded. I hate everyone.

And LOL at Christian persecution.

[penguingrrl]

This story is so gross. I can't believe people drove for hours to support hate. Unreal.

[msmerymac]

Also, Duff Goldman offered to make and ship a cake to these women for their wedding. Very classy.

But yes, the whole "ÿou are intolerant of my intolerance!" spiel. Same shit, different day.

[soozy87]

They can do whatever they want and refuse service to anyone for any reason.

[UMaineTeach]

Feb 5, 2013 20:13:34 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

“Nobody hates (homosexual individuals),” said Vlad Shalashov, who shopped with his wife, Miya, at the bakery for the first time to show support last weekend. “If they don’t like the owner who refused service to them, go somewhere else.”



“Gays and homosexuals is a lifestyle that they’ve chosen. This is what I believe. (The bakery) did not refuse service to them, but they did refuse to participate in having them get married.”

regardless of if you believe that homosexuality is a choice - the law has decided it is not.

should the blacks in the 50's just have found a different lunch counter?

[UMaineTeach]

Feb 5, 2013 20:42:47 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

They can do whatever they want and refuse service to anyone for any reason.

nope, can't for specific protected class reasons

if they had said no and dropped it - fine
if they had said, we don't sell to people in blue shirts - fine

but if they say b/c of your race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, age we won't sell it - problem

[smock]

Feb 5, 2013 20:42:47 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

They can do whatever they want and refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Well, the law disagrees with you on that one.

[soozy87]

Feb 5, 2013 20:47:18 GMT -5 smock said:

Feb 5, 2013 20:42:47 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

They can do whatever they want and refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Well, the law disagrees with you on that one.

Bet they won't go to jail or be fined for this "offense".

[msmerymac]

Feb 5, 2013 20:42:47 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

They can do whatever they want and refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Unless that reason is that you're discriminating against a protected class, which in this case includes gays and lesbians.

If the reason is that someone is starting a fist fight, or wearing a shirt with obscenities, or flashing other customers, then yes, by all means, refuse them service.

[smock]

Feb 5, 2013 20:49:04 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

Feb 5, 2013 20:47:18 GMT -5 smock said:

Well, the law disagrees with you on that one.

Bet they won't go to jail or be fined for this "offense".

I guess we'll see who's right.

[UMaineTeach]

Feb 5, 2013 20:52:05 GMT -5 smock said:

Feb 5, 2013 20:49:04 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

Bet they won't go to jail or be fined for this "offense".

I guess we'll see who's right.

this ad says they might be fined and big. If it can happen in VT, it can happen in OR.

[lime]

>>>But Aaron said he’s not refusing all his services to homosexuals, only the sale of wedding cakes.

Well, that's very tolerant and Christian of him to not ask about sexual orientation before every transaction.

[laurenpetro]

Feb 5, 2013 20:42:47 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

They can do whatever they want and refuse service to anyone for any reason.

So if the couple was interracial and the bakers refused to service them, that would be ok?

[stargirl]

Feb 5, 2013 20:33:49 GMT -5 penguingrrl said:

This story is so gross. I can't believe people drove for hours to support hate. Unreal.

This is so sad to me.  So, so sad.  

[Jermys]

Feb 5, 2013 21:11:53 GMT -5 laurenpetro said:

Feb 5, 2013 20:42:47 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

They can do whatever they want and refuse service to anyone for any reason.

So if the couple was interracial and the bakers refused to service them, that would be ok?

I'm guessing since it's Soozy, it probably would be okay.

[JLN]

Of course it's Gresham.  I went to HS with this girl, Melissa.  

Gresham is the armpit of Portland.  It's chock-full of winners just like her.  

[JLN]

Feb 5, 2013 21:16:33 GMT -5 stargirl said:

Feb 5, 2013 20:33:49 GMT -5 penguingrrl said:

This story is so gross. I can't believe people drove for hours to support hate. Unreal.

This is so sad to me.  So, so sad.  

You should see her FB page.  Ew.  And her SIL is saying that the FB post of her rant was a fake FB account.  

[sushi]

Sigh. I guess this is ammunition to use against H when he says all of OR is awesome, and I will love it despite the rain/overcast

I don't want to be flippant, but, really, at least I thought OR had some sort of liberal tolerance going for it.

soozy sucks so much I hate that I basically share a name. Such hatred is disgusting it seriously (no, really, not exaggerating) turns my stomach. That such hatred gets support is even more disturbing.

If I ever own a business, I'll refuse to serve bigots. They're not a protected class, right? I'll have a questionnaire before service to determine how tolerant they are.

[ttt]

Feb 5, 2013 21:15:00 GMT -5 @dontcallmeshirley1 said:

Feb 5, 2013 20:42:47 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

They can do whatever they want and refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Actually, they can't not sell people a wedding cake simply because they're gay. It doesn't work like that anymore. 

Sadly in some states it does. Sexual orientation is not a federal protected class.

[sushi]

Feb 6, 2013 1:35:35 GMT -5 ttt said:

Feb 5, 2013 21:15:00 GMT -5 @dontcallmeshirley1 said:

Actually, they can't not sell people a wedding cake simply because they're gay. It doesn't work like that anymore. 

Sadly in some states it does. Sexual orientation is not a federal protected class.

That's true (sadly). But, I think in Oregon, it is.

[JLN]

Feb 6, 2013 1:28:04 GMT -5 sushi said:

Sigh. I guess this is ammunition to use against H when he says all of OR is awesome, and I will love it despite the rain/overcast

I don't want to be flippant, but, really, at least I thought OR had some sort of liberal tolerance going for it.

soozy sucks so much I hate that I basically share a name. Such hatred is disgusting it seriously (no, really, not exaggerating) turns my stomach. That such hatred gets support is even more disturbing.

If I ever own a business, I'll refuse to serve bigots. They're not a protected class, right? I'll have a questionnaire before service to determine how tolerant they are.

We're pretty damn liberal in Portland, but the rest of the state, including Gresham, is the yuck. Portland really should be it's own state. Perhaps Seattle and Portland could join up and let the rest of Oregon/Washington fend for themselves.

[sushi]

Feb 6, 2013 1:44:19 GMT -5 @mx said:

Also I bet dollars to donuts that this super Christian holier than thou bakery uses chocolate harvested by little tiny child slaves. But I guess they don't care about brown people as evidenced by the ranting.

I love you on Asian time. Feistier than normal

[mouse]

Feb 6, 2013 1:52:40 GMT -5 JLN said:

Feb 6, 2013 1:28:04 GMT -5 sushi said:

Sigh. I guess this is ammunition to use against H when he says all of OR is awesome, and I will love it despite the rain/overcast

I don't want to be flippant, but, really, at least I thought OR had some sort of liberal tolerance going for it.

soozy sucks so much I hate that I basically share a name. Such hatred is disgusting it seriously (no, really, not exaggerating) turns my stomach. That such hatred gets support is even more disturbing.

If I ever own a business, I'll refuse to serve bigots. They're not a protected class, right? I'll have a questionnaire before service to determine how tolerant they are.

We're pretty damn liberal in Portland, but the rest of the state, including Gresham, is the yuck. Portland really should be it's own state. Perhaps Seattle and Portland could join up and let the rest of Oregon/Washington fend for themselves.

I wonder how the people of Bend, Ashland and Eugene are going to feel about this.

Also, I didn't hear about any traffic jams yesterday and this is coming from the Tribune (a free conservative weekly), so without doing any research I'd say its pretty likely that this was a small thing and the out of staters were coming all the way across the river from Vancouver. Not that it isn't still disgusting, because it is.

[iammalcolmx]

Feb 5, 2013 20:42:47 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

They can do whatever they want and refuse service to anyone for any reason.

They gon get you

[crazytalk]

I'm not religious, and by default not Christian, but wasn't Jesus Christ supposed to be all loving and inclusive and whatnot? Poor guy is probably shaking his head at this kind of nonsense done in his name.

[wawa]

You know - deep abiding sadness about people flocking to this place aside - I really have to wonder about people who honestly believe that God cares, DEEPLY, about whether or not you sell somebody a cake. That an omniscient, omnipresent, loving God could possibly be offended by....cake.

What kind of small, petty, score keeping, asshole God are these people worshiping? Not the God that all my Christian friends worship, I can say that with absolute certainty.

[JLN]

Feb 6, 2013 7:26:21 GMT -5 mouse said:

Feb 6, 2013 1:52:40 GMT -5 JLN said:

We're pretty damn liberal in Portland, but the rest of the state, including Gresham, is the yuck. Portland really should be it's own state. Perhaps Seattle and Portland could join up and let the rest of Oregon/Washington fend for themselves.

I wonder how the people of Bend, Ashland and Eugene are going to feel about this.

Also, I didn't hear about any traffic jams yesterday and this is coming from the Tribune (a free conservative weekly), so without doing any research I'd say its pretty likely that this was a small thing and the out of staters were coming all the way across the river from Vancouver. Not that it isn't still disgusting, because it is.

We can keep Bend, Eugene and Ashland, too.     Can't forget the hippies!

I did hear (on FB) that it was pretty busy.  I'm sure that the Tribune exaggerated it, but I do know that it was busy.