Porn: Marriage equality’s secret weapon

[ESF]

Is it really a surprise that guys who like to watch two women doing it have no problem with two women doing it?

[twotrue]

Feb 7, 2013 21:01:49 GMT -5 ESF said:

Is it really a surprise that guys who like to watch two women doing it have no problem with two women doing it?

Right? Sorta makes sense to me.    

[wrathofkuus]

Lol @ ESF

[emisi]

Feb 7, 2013 21:05:50 GMT -5 @bunnybean said:

Feb 7, 2013 21:01:49 GMT -5 ESF said:

Is it really a surprise that guys who like to watch two women doing it have no problem with two women doing it?

Ha! But I think it's all porn and all types of gay marriage. As my husband said after he read this article earlier, "Sometimes, after you've descended into the crevasse that is internet pornography, and you've seen its depths, two dudes kissing at a marriage ceremony is the most wholesome thing you've seen all day."

This made me laugh.  And it's so true.

See: the earlier discussion about Germany gets its own separate porn area on websites.

[lyssbobiss, Command, B613]

See, usually I hear guys say shit like "yeah, but two girls together is just hot. Two guys is gross." because they interject themselves into a world in which all girls are bisexual and we're just wasting time waiting for a guy to jump into our lesbian parties.

In other words, this actually does surprise me a little.

[soozy87]

Yeah...so weird to like two gross things....

[lyssbobiss, Command, B613]

This is a time I wish we had gone with a dislike feature.

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[laurenpetro]

Feb 7, 2013 21:54:21 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

Yeah...so weird to like two gross things....

sex is gross?  i feel sorry for your husband.



    
BAM!  there it is, ladies.  you can go home now.

[pedanticwench]

Feb 7, 2013 21:54:21 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

Yeah...so weird to like two gross things....

LOL @ you.

[UMaineTeach]

see her up there ^ a bit

she is why I can more easily see this in the converse - Men who don't watch porn don't want SSM.

[pedanticwench]

There are men who don't watch porn? When pigs fly, honeybunny.

[ttt]

Feb 7, 2013 21:54:21 GMT -5 soozy87 said:

Yeah...so weird to like two gross things....

There is something gross in this thread, and it's not the porn or the gay marriage.

[wrathofkuus]

Oh, Pedantic.

[pedanticwench]

Hm?

[wrathofkuus]

You know you're being almost as much of an ass as soozy here.

[pedanticwench]

Because I'm assuming that all men, at least those who have access to it, have watched porn or will watch it at some point in the future? I call that being a realist, but if that makes me an ass then the shoe fits. And I'm okay with that.

[ttt]

Considering that very religious men are less likely to both watch porn and support same sex marriage due to their beliefs, I dont find this surprising at all. I'm interested to know what the study's methods were.

[wrathofkuus]

Yes, for assuming men are some homogenous group that all does and thinks the same. This kind of weird, Mars/Venus thinking is why we have problems like the Dakotas. Pull it together.

[pedanticwench]

It's not like I think it's a bad thing, so why would it bother me to think that all men (at least those in the parameters I defined above) have watched porn or watch it on an occasional basis?

In fact, the study itself doesn't make the distinction between men who watch porn and those who don't. It's how much porn men watch that might make it likelier for them to support SSM.

[wrathofkuus]

It is clear that you don't get what I'm saying at all.

[2vermont]

Feb 8, 2013 10:57:11 GMT -5 pedanticwench said:

It's not like I think it's a bad thing, so why would it bother me to think that all men (at least those in the parameters I defined above) have watched porn or watch it on an occasional basis?

In fact, the study itself doesn't make the distinction between men who watch porn and those who don't. It's how much porn men watch that might make it likelier for them to support SSM.

I'm thinking the issue is that if a similar generalization was made about women, that wouldn't go over so well.

[pedanticwench]

But generalizing makes life so much easier!

[wrathofkuus]

The religious right would agree with you.

[pedanticwench]

You cut me deep, Kuus.

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Feb 8, 2013 10:52:29 GMT -5 ttt said:

Considering that very religious men are less likely to both watch porn and support same sex marriage due to their beliefs, I dont find this surprising at all. I'm interested to know what the study's methods were.

Judging by how many porn shops and strip bars there are in the heavily religious areas I have been to, I am not sure that the very religious men are less into the pornz lol.

[Deleted]

I have to agree with pedantic. I have never met a man that hasn't watched porn. I usually don't like generalizations, but in this case, while I am sure there is a percentage that doesn't, I reckon its a very tiny percentage. Thats not to say that all men watch loads of porn all the time, of course.

ETA anecdote, plus I don't ask every person I meet if they have watched porn lol.

[Wrath0fKuus]

In all seriousness, it wasn't the generalization itself, or the fact that you were generalizing exactly, more that the tendency to generalize like that bespeaks an underlying view of men as some sort of alien Other rather than people with individual thoughts and feelings and perspectives. And that, thinking of a group of people who are different from you in one respect, be it race or sex or sexual orientation, are an alien Other, a "them" to your "us," is what underlies bigotry in all its forms.

It is hard to avoid when that difference is something that, due an institutionalized enforcement of a group as Other, makes that difference something that dramatically alters the way people in that group see the world. And really, it is kind of legitimate for those specific topics, but part of solving the problem is trying to limit our thinking of a group as Other to only those situations where they experience being Other because we've all made them that way. Does that make sense?

[Wrath0fKuus]

And FFS, can someone tell me how to make my sloth smaller?

[pedanticwench]

It's hard for me to believe, even though I acknowledge that I'm wrong, that there is some man/men out there that have not watched/enjoyed some sort of pornography ever or other men who do not watch/enjoy porn simply based on principle or some code of morals. And again, I'm really speaking about those men who have readily available access to it.

I'm not conciously trying to place "men" in a group of "Other," but I recognize that that's what I'm doing.

I guess that because I don't look at porn as inherently bad or negative it makes it easier for me to generalize.