This week's Dr Who

[cjeanette]

What did everyone think?

I am sad that Clara doesn't remember what she read in the book in the library or the Dr telling her about the other versions of her that he met.

[evans]

First, so satisfying to see the pool! It's about time!
It was a great episode and I liked the way it worked out in the end. It was frustrating that all this time the Doctor's name is in a book, in the badass library, on the TARDIS. Because it would have been so easy for any one of his other companions to find. Do they never go exploring?

[Dumbledork]

^I was annoyed by that too. All his companions have been curious about him and most have been with him much, much longer than Clara, how have they never stumbled into the library? Especially Amy, who knew that a pool was somewhere in there, did she not go looking for what else was there? Anyway, supposedly we find out his name this season. I'm curious about it. He obviously hates his name, River was really sad that she had to resort to using it with him.

I think Clara does remember some of it. That bit about keeping secrets and the brother remembering to have a scrap of dignity make me think she remembers some of it too, but is choosing to keep it secret. I'm not completely sold on Clara yet. I want to see River and Clara together and if they compete against each other or gang up against the Doctor.

[cjeanette]

I wonder if the TARDIS had never revealed the library or that section of it to anyone before?

[cjeanette]

I wonder if the TARDIS had never revealed the library or that section of it to anyone before?

[evans]

That's possible. And I suspect that it's just gearing up to The Name of the Doctor (which is the season finale I think). I kind of don't want it to be revealed. I almost think that it won't be good enough and people won't be happy.

[evans]

This is a cool article from buzzfeed with pics of the then and now TARDIS. I don't know they had showed the pool before.

www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/a-beginners-guide-to-tardis-rooms

[dr.girlfriend]

Apr 29, 2013 16:23:47 GMT -5 cjeanette said:

I wonder if the TARDIS had never revealed the library or that section of it to anyone before?

That's a good theory.  Also, keeping in mind he said it was infinite in size, so previous companions could have explored for years and still never hit upon certain areas.  ;-)

[cjeanette]

Apr 30, 2013 11:16:28 GMT -5 dr.girlfriend said:

Apr 29, 2013 16:23:47 GMT -5 cjeanette said:

I wonder if the TARDIS had never revealed the library or that section of it to anyone before?

That's a good theory.  Also, keeping in mind he said it was infinite in size, so previous companions could have explored for years and still never hit upon certain areas.  ;-)

The thought of that makes me want to blow into a paper bag. What if you get lost forever wandering the place....lol.

[dr.girlfriend]

So, here's a random question. Remember when the TARDIS blew, destroying the universe and all that...there was a countdown? Did we ever figure out who/what caused that event? I'm wondering if they've totally dropped that storyline, or if it was resolved or addressed somehow and I just missed it.

[evans]

I'm pretty sure it was resolved. But I've got the Pandorica opening time reset and the River killing/not killing the Doctor reset all mixed together. I think the count down was to the day the doctor was "kill" by the lake.
Does that sound right?

[cjeanette]

I am struggling to remember the TARDIS destroying the universe. Was this why they had him locked in the pandora's box?

My memory is horrible in my old age.

[Dumbledork]

Yes. Although, he was only in the Pandorica for like two minutes before Rory let him out and they put Amy in. Child Amy lets adult Amy out in the museum 2,000 years later and then they rescue River, stuck in a time loop in the exploding Tardis, disguised as the sun and only remaining "star" in the universe.

I think planets, galaxies, stars and such started disappearing somewhere in the end of season four too, when Earth was transplanted and Rose came back. I don't think the Tardis technically exploded then, but it was "brand new" when he first met little Amy so it must have been f'd up a bit. I don't quite remember that part.

And people think this show is hard to follow.

[cjeanette]

Apr 30, 2013 16:45:31 GMT -5 Dumbledork said:

Yes. Although, he was only in the Pandorica for like two minutes before Rory let him out and they put Amy in. Child Amy lets adult Amy out in the museum 2,000 years later and then they rescue River, stuck in a time loop in the exploding Tardis, disguised as the sun and only remaining "star" in the universe.

I think planets, galaxies, stars and such started disappearing somewhere in the end of season four too, when Earth was transplanted and Rose came back. I don't think the Tardis technically exploded then, but it was "brand new" when he first met little Amy so it must have been f'd up a bit. I don't quite remember that part.

And people think this show is hard to follow.

Ok, all this I remember.  A countdown I don't.  lol.

[Dumbledork]

Me either. lol. I think evans is right, and it was just a thing about what day the Doctor would "die." Or the day that Amy would have to will everyone back, her parents and Rory and the Doctor, their wedding day. I remember a mystery date that was, as he put it, "in Amy's time" but I don't remember if that date was her wedding day when she brought everyone back and they replaced newly pregnant Amy with Rubber Amy or the day he died. Or if that's even the countdown dr. girlfriend is talking about above.

[dr.girlfriend]

Story summary -- key parts in pink.  :-)


When River tries to use the TARDIS, an outside force takes control of it and pilots it to Amy's house in the present day. After River leaves the TARDIS, the scanner screen cracks in the same shape as the cracks in the universe and a menacing voice says: "Silence will fall." River discovers landing patterns in Amy's garden and sees that someone has broken into the house. She finds in Amy's room a story book about Pandora's box and a children's book about Roman Britain. River communicates this to the Doctor, warning him that the Pandorica must be a trap, created out of Amy's memories. River identifies her current space-time coordinates—26 June 2010, the date the Doctor identified as the onset of the time energy explosion that caused the cracks in the universe ("Flesh and Stone"). The Doctor warns her to leave immediately, but she finds herself again trapped in the TARDIS as the central control console begins to go critical.
Back at Stonehenge, the Doctor discovers that the volunteer legionaries, including Rory, are Autons, and he is quickly captured as his other orbiting foes materialise around him. Above ground, as Rory fights to retain his human identity, Amy suddenly remembers him, but as his Auton identity emerges he unwillingly shoots and kills her. The Doctor struggles against his captors, who reveal that they have formed an alliance to imprison him in the Pandorica. They believe the Doctor caused the time energy explosion that caused the cracks that will destroy the universe, despite the Doctor's insistence that the TARDIS is responsible.

The parts in pink above...I thought someone DID all that -- was it the TARDIS doing it, and if so why?

[Dumbledork]

Okay, taking bits from the Tardis Data Core wiki website...

"The cracks in time originated in the destruction of the Doctor's TARDIS when it came under the control of an unknown, disembodied force which made it materialise outside Amy Pond's house on 26 June 2010. River Song tried to prevent the explosion, but completely lost control of the TARDIS. It exploded, cracking points in time and space, some of which the Eleventh Doctor had been to. This resulted in the majority of the universe never existing, but the TARDIS preserved Earth by putting itself in a time loop at the moment of its death. The heat from the perpetual explosion heated the alternate Earth in place of the sun."

Blah Blah Blah...

"Using the remaining atoms of the original universe inside the Pandorica and the restoration field, he repaired the damage caused by the cracks. The universe and the timeline were reset, all of the cracks closed and never existed, and the versions of Amy and Rory relevant to the old timeline were erased. To fully close the cracks, the Doctor allowed himself be absorbed by one and erased from existence.

Using the ability given to her by the crack in her room, Amy's remembrance of her parents and Rory undid their erasure in the rebooted universe. The Doctor, however, remained erased until Amy remembered him and their adventures and brought him and the TARDIS back. Despite everything being repaired, the Doctor remained clueless as to what was responsible for the destruction of the TARDIS in the first place."

tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Field

ETA: I think the unknown, disembodied force is The Silence and that eyepatch lady group (from same wiki- "Madame Kovarian was a member of the religious movement the Silence, an academy of the Question") that stole Melody and is featured in the episode Wedding of River Song. So, I think the Silence did it through the Tardis, but the Tardis, like, rebelled, by doing the time loop and protecting Earth.