Ground Rules

[foundmylazybum]

May 12, 2012 21:52:25 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

May 12, 2012 21:45:00 GMT -5 EllieArroway said:

See, this is what I'm worried about here. Will the mod from one of the puppies & rainbows boards decide to delete posts that offend them on TIP? Each board decides for itself what it will & will not tolerate, and that's fine, but I don't like the idea of mods being able to police other boards. It just gets really sticky. And considering the fact that we've been here three days & have already had mod drama I can totally see that happening.

That's why that mod from one board could only step in if the mod from the other board was unavailable. It would be a bit of an honor system to the extent you *could* as a mod, edit the hell out of anything. But we could set it up so that your mod powers would be revoked entirely if you edited a post when the "home" moderator had refused to. Am I making sense?

Seems like one mod could be a known, permananent ( perhaps voted on ) substit mod...so if the " home mod" was gone then this person could step in. They would know the culture of their sub board so they might be less inclined to eff up.

[y4m]

2-3 global mods seems appropriate. Personally I'm happy to have my email out there, which always gets me quickly. But I'm not comfortable deleting/banning things that aren't obvious violations on boards like ML, where I'm not a regular and I can't feel the tone.

[definitelyO]

pixy_stix is the mod for this board?? she isn't even a poster on MM....
I can't say I'm in favor of mods w/o democracy.

[y4m]

Pixy is a PCE mod. Womet and I do MM

[Deleted]

May 12, 2012 23:56:33 GMT -5 definitelyO said:

pixy_stix is the mod for this board?? she isn't even a poster on MM....
I can't say I'm in favor of mods w/o democracy.

This is a sticky on all the boards. So people are participating from all of them.

Pixy is a mod for PCE and F&B. MM has their own mod I'm sure.

[Deleted]

May 12, 2012 23:49:57 GMT -5 foundmylazybum said:

May 12, 2012 21:52:25 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

That's why that mod from one board could only step in if the mod from the other board was unavailable. It would be a bit of an honor system to the extent you *could* as a mod, edit the hell out of anything. But we could set it up so that your mod powers would be revoked entirely if you edited a post when the "home" moderator had refused to. Am I making sense?

Seems like one mod could be a known, permananent ( perhaps voted on ) substit mod...so if the " home mod" was gone then this person could step in. They would know the culture of their sub board so they might be less inclined to eff up.

Yeah, I actually thought about this and it could be a good idea. If someone is going to be gone for vacation or whatever, then there could be a temporary Mod. However, might that end up being a huge pain for Ellie and the global mods if they are constantly getting messaged about the need to set up and then later remove temporary mods? It seems like it would be better just to have more Mods per board than actually needed than to have temporary mods step in. For example, maybe 3 Mods for larger boards so it's highly unlikely that all Mods would be unavailable during the same time period.

[mayflowers22]

1. What kind of power do we give our mod? I agree with PPs
2. When do we want things deleted by the mod? Spam, MUD, etc.
3. Are we happy with the current mod? Should we hold a mod election? I like our current mod
4. Can people pimp their etsy's in their sig? Yess!
5. Swear words? Fuck yes!
6. Etc..

Read more: pandce.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1731#ixzz1uitV5qWk

[heyjude]

Shabam! Leave for 6 hours and my post goes global!

But I think these are convos that individual boards need to be having on an individual board level.

Anyway there seems to be a lot of focus on how many mods and not enough discussion on the power they will be wielding.

Mods on the nest basically had to answer to the nest. There is no nest now. The power dynamic has changed. The mods are only accountable to us.

I don't have a problem w/ a locked mod forum as long as mods follow the rules we establish. But if we start getting rogue mods or whatever, then I think it's a problem.

I guess I feel like this is important because one of the other boards had a mod delete content for no other reason than she didn't like it. This is totally the wrong foot for the antinest to start out on. And especially with PCE where we talk about so many heated topics, deleting content simply because a mod didn't like it would ruin our dialogue.

There was a time in the pre pixy days where our mod locked a post and prohibited people from posting in it because it discussed dead babies. It was an outrageous overreach and I would not want this place to go there.

Finally, I would like to know what personal information mods will have. For example, will they know our IP address? Email? Etc?

[pescalita]

May 13, 2012 0:37:16 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Anyway there seems to be a lot of focus on how many mods and not enough discussion on the power they will be wielding.

Agreed. Delete MUD? No.

[EllieArroway]

May 13, 2012 0:37:16 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Finally, I would like to know what personal information mods will have. For example, will they know our IP address? Email? Etc?

The mods can't see anything that you don't make public. They will not have access to anything more that what anyone else can see when they view your profile. No ip, no email unless you set it to visible.

[y4m]

May 13, 2012 1:00:17 GMT -5 EllieArroway said:

May 13, 2012 0:37:16 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Finally, I would like to know what personal information mods will have. For example, will they know our IP address? Email? Etc?

The mods can't see anything that you don't make public. They will not have access to anything more that what anyone else can see when they view your profile. No ip, no email unless you set it to visible.

I can attest that this is true even for global mods.

[y4m]

Is it true that users can't delete threads they started here? Is that a setting we can change? I assume yes. If not, I assume we're cool with
Mods deleting threads at the OP's request.

[IIOY]

May 13, 2012 7:40:33 GMT -5 y4m said:

Is it true that users can't delete threads they started here? Is that a setting we can change? I assume yes. If not, I assume we're cool with
Mods deleting threads at the OP's request.

I tested and cannot figure out a way to delete a thread through the app; the best I can do is modify the content.

FYI, I also cannot modify a thread title through the app.

[smock]

FTR, the reported perv post was on TIP, and I agree with Ellie that a mod from another board might not have realized it was a reg and pissed people off. Mod powers seem much more restrained here, which is probably a good thing since we all seem to agree that we want a more open forum.

I also agree that 3-5 global mods is a good idea for exceptional situations.

And I also agree that we need to decide exactly what the miss should and shouldn't do. While mod powers are local, it makes sense to have a global standard--for example, I don't think mods should delete MUD at all, not is editing for language or "meanness" appropriate. We need some clear standards for when mods should step in, like privacy violations, clear spamming, etc.

[ringstrue]

I say anarchy!

I think yall worry about mods too much. Having been a mod, I will say its a major PITA and takes a good amount of fun out of the boards. Anyone who is willing to stay on as a mod for more than a month IMO already has proven that they are the right type.

I agree with multiple mods for reasons of keeping pixy sane.

[EllieArroway]

May 13, 2012 11:23:21 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

MUD should not EVER be deleted.

/gavel

I agree! I think we should only delete personal info and spam. People should only be banned for posting those two things or for stalking/harassing others (and by that I don't just mean being mean to someone).

[foundmylazybum]

MUD is a weird thing...isn't it subjective? What if by chance I post something non- MUD that is so crazy it looks like MUD and it gets deleted? That would just be a shame.

[EllieArroway]

May 13, 2012 7:40:33 GMT -5 y4m said:

Is it true that users can't delete threads they started here? Is that a setting we can change? I assume yes. If not, I assume we're cool with
Mods deleting threads at the OP's request.

Users can edit or delete their own posts, but not an entire thread. There is no way to change that.

[vanillacourage]

May 13, 2012 11:42:57 GMT -5 EllieArroway said:

May 13, 2012 7:40:33 GMT -5 y4m said:

Is it true that users can't delete threads they started here? Is that a setting we can change? I assume yes. If not, I assume we're cool with
Mods deleting threads at the OP's request.

Users can edit or delete their own posts, but not an entire thread. There is no way to change that.

So if someone quotes us in a reply, there's nothing we can do? So nobody should post anything they don't want out there forever? This is something people should be aware of.

If the argument against global mods is that they don't know the tone of each board and might delete something the regular mod would not - wouldn't they only know about the questionable post after being paged/contacted by the board's actual regulars after the set board mod hadn't stepped in? Because it doesn't seem like mods are expected to patrol boards for which they don't mod.

[Deleted]

IMO, a global mod only acts upon request or to edit out personal information. Anything else should be left for the board mod to handle upon their return. Even spam can wait for a regular mod.

Mud should never, ever be deleted. Don't be a funsucker.

[EllieArroway]

May 13, 2012 12:40:48 GMT -5 vanillacourage said:

So if someone quotes us in a reply, there's nothing we can do? So nobody should post anything they don't want out there forever? This is something people should be aware of.

Correct. I don't have a problem with mods deleting threads if the poster requests when they contain personal/identifying info, but I don't like the idea of a mod locking or deleting a thread just because someone is getting flamed.

[Deleted]

Well, I suppose it would be up to the mod to determine whether the request to have it removed is reasonable.

Because I can totally see some nutter being all, OMG, I'M BEING FLAMED, I WANT THIS SHIT DELETED.

erm, no

[AmyG]

I'm a regular on the breastfeeding board, so most of you wouldn't know me from adam.

but if you want some good reasonable guidelines you might want to check out the rules at some other boards that are not nest boards.

I like the feel of www.sybermoms.com
they were a spin off of an out of control moderated board in it's previous incarnation. They didn't want anyone deleting stuff, changing things. they ruled that nobody gets to edit anything unless it's for personally identifying information. spam gets moved to a spam board in case someone wants to go shopping I guess, and trolls/mud is there for you to play with if you want, so they let it fly.

They do have what they call "support boards" where out of control spamming is not allowed. many boards I know of have that kind of rule, where if someone is really going thru a crisis they get support. and then later everyone can talk about them on the main event but can't drag actual details of the situation out to the main board for discussion.

over the years with the amount of pictures posted and huge thousand page threads they ended up having to move to their own server and start charging for use.
that gives you a short version of their history so you guys can see where you might be headed.

www.sybermoms.com/forums/view.php?pg=legalpolicy

from another board:
Guidelines For Moderators:

Moderators should delete spam.

If a moderator is in doubt about a thread or situation, PM[does this board have personal messaging] another moderator about the best way to proceed.

Moderators should report their concerns or suspicions about a username to the admin.
There should be a legitimate, tangible reason for the moderator to be concerned.

For Example: Does this member demonstrate unusual behavior, or could this member negatively impact the message boards?
Does this member make me really uncomfortable, such as pm’ing members to request personal information or starting sexually explicit posts?

It is against our terms of service to create a new user name solely for the purpose of targeting a member for harassment.
If the moderators catch the thread right away, they can delete the thread. If the thread already has multiple posts, it should stay intact. Admin should be contacted to warn the member and take further action if necessary.

procedure for deleting a thread:
If a member wants a thread to be deleted because they decided it gives away too much info about themselves, or that it's started something they don't want to finish, a mod can post on that message boards that the member has requested this thread be deleted and ask if that's ok. If there are no objections, the thread will be deleted in one hour. It is very obvious when a thread can be damaging to a member. Also, the members of the board agree with this determination. If there is disagreement, the thread will remain intact.

Do not delete a whole thread because of one person's words or language.
Edit portions of a post that break the Terms Of Service such as members’ names, addresses, and phone numbers. Edit posts with information that puts another member at risk, by posting personal or identifying information.

Moderators should not alter what members write and should always sign the post "edited by mod name" and list the reason.

It states in the Terms Of Service, that a troll can be banned for harassing another member. Keep in mind that everyone has a very different definition of what "harassment" consists of. Members will receive a warning from Admin and further disciplinary action if needed.

Repeated Violation(s) of the Terms Of Service and the resulting action(s) will be handled at Admins discretion.

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so realize there are a lot of different things you need to think of.
Right now I'm fighting off a spam bot attack on another board, because the Admins are AWOL and I can't ban the person.
Luckily our mods are able to delete the posts, but I'm deleting 1 post per minute.

[AmyG]

oh and a common rule is no locking of threads unless they are soooo out of control they are fixing to crash the server.
where a flame gets to be sooo much that everything just needs to settle down for a minute.

[CheshireGrin]

Perhaps if the mods all had global powers, but would agree not to wield their powers on a board other than their own, except in an emergency situation where the appropriate mod is not available, and assistance is requested by a consensus of the board. Mods who violate that agreement will be required to step down.

[meshaliuknits]

May 12, 2012 18:08:21 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

(Also? I didn't cut off lucillebluth's head, I know mesh has to have been wondering.)

I was!

[scotty]

There need to be like two backup mods to delete things in case the main mod is gone.

[verandah]

I think we're talking about this too much if it goes on for more than another day or two.

my general feeling is this:
- 1 mod for every board, 2 for the big ones (CE&P, Fashion, ML, MM come to mind)
- 3 global mods who don't have their own boards but can be paged when mods are AWK and something needs done STAT
- global mods could be substitute mods on low-traffic boards as needed, for a big board I'd get a reg to temp
- deletes limited to illegal/obscene (dead baby pics, porn, etc) content and personal info
- locks only for crazy flame wars and the like

Other than that we're all grown ass people, we should be able to define board-by-board what the tone is as posting habits develop over here.

I would suggest that if there are reports about really bad behavior, then the board's mod needs to investigate and if it's something like what apparently happened on ML, drop a note on the Mod Board that it's been checked and it's cool. Or fixed.

[IIOY]

May 14, 2012 17:11:00 GMT -5 verandah said:

I think we're talking about this too much if it goes on for more than another day or two.

...
Other than that we're all grown ass people, we should be able to define board-by-board what the tone is as posting habits develop over here.

QFT

We're creating a series of chat boards, not birthing a nation.

[dylanite]

May 14, 2012 17:15:58 GMT -5 IIOY said:

QFT

We're creating a series of chat boards, not birthing a nation.

QFT!

(what's qft?)
ETA: nevermind. I remembered google for a second.