What I'm saying is that although the app is fantastic, I have all but full functionality on this site if I use my web browser on my mobile. It's not like the old nest format where you have to press HTML and then do some kind of frankenstein html just to post from your mobile browser. The one thing I have issues with is c&ping.
That's the other thing, if someone is going to be mostly mobile, it's going to be hard for them to mod.
Do you really forsee there being so many instances of people posting kiddie porn that any semi-active poster who's promoted to moderator couldn't just swap from the app to the browser on their mobile device, or sit down at a computer?
I do think a couple really active globals who could be paged if there's an immediate, really heinous issue would be a good idea, but overall I really think that despite what the nest says, we can act like grown adults. Or at least, grown enough adults who won't post peoples' addresses. Namecalling is fine. heh.
Another problem is that you can't see reported posts on the app - so it would be really easy to miss them if you aren't on a browser. And for things like personal info the sooner you get it taken down the better. Mods really need to be on a browser most of the time.
I agree with pixy, the mod boards are boring but having them open would make a mess. There are only a handful of women on lgbt and I'm by far the most active on the boards. Having two moderators would almost be the same as one. And I wouldn't go voting on mods until the mods role has been clearly define because someone might be more or less comfortablw with a mod based on the powers given.
Do you really forsee there being so many instances of people posting kiddie porn that any semi-active poster who's promoted to moderator couldn't just swap from the app to the browser on their mobile device, or sit down at a computer?
I do think a couple really active globals who could be paged if there's an immediate, really heinous issue would be a good idea, but overall I really think that despite what the nest says, we can act like grown adults. Or at least, grown enough adults who won't post peoples' addresses. Namecalling is fine. heh.
Another problem is that you can't see reported posts on the app - so it would be really easy to miss them if you aren't on a browser. And for things like personal info the sooner you get it taken down the better. Mods really need to be on a browser most of the time.
I just remember that one of the *other* obnoxious things about the nest was having a real question about what something was or why something was happening, trying to page one of the nest gods, getting zero response, and then three days later having bumpkathleen post a thumb-tack post inviting everyone to enter some advertiser-sponsored lottery where you would win a year supply of dry onion dip mix and all you had to do was post a picture of your H and tell a funny story about the last time he farted during sex... that would be then posted in the next magazine.
But I digress...
I also like Pixie, have no intrest in the job, and think there should be one other person. Maybe TTT?
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I think sbp's suggestions are good ones. I think a small number of moderators are a good idea. But to avoid the power being concentrated in the hands of a few, I'd suggest something like this --
1. Every board can vote if they want one or two moderators. 2. Boards can choose their own moderator anyway they wish, and can choose to replace their moderator at any time. 3. No moderator may moderate more than 2 boards at any given time.
I like pixy and think she's a great moderator. I think it might be helpful to have a second person for when she's not around. I have no interest in the job, and think plenty of people around here would be great.
I also like Pixy, have no interest in the job and think there should be a vice mod. Maybe TTT?
Post by EllieArroway on May 12, 2012 21:09:53 GMT -5
For the record, these are the powers that moderators have: bump threads, sticky threads, move threads, delete threads, delete posts, modify posts, lock threads, lock polls
Global moderators also have the ability to create new boards & warn/ban/block users. As of right now Y4M is the only global mod.
So mods could ask that users be banned/deleted, but they can't actually do it themselves.
So I was wrong about not being able to do it on boards I'm not a mod on. I need to pay better attention.
Sorry I wasn't clear, mods only have those powers on the board that they moderate. (You may have temporarily had power over other boards--I was trying to give mods the power to "warn" users but it turns out you can only do that if you first give them global mod powers. I decided it wasn't worth it.)
Why don't we make all the mods global mods and then make it a "rule" that you can only moderate a board other than your own if you are paged to do so because the moderator for that board is unavailable. Failure to follow that rule will result in being fired as moderator.
It would depend on who is chosen for mods. That was part of the problem on TN/TB. Some mods had... less of a tolerance? for certain behaviors. There were some spectacular instances of TB mods stepping in without knowing the culture of the boards (IP sharing mod for instance). I think, in part, that's why they're restricting the mods on TN/TB with the new format.
Why don't we make all the mods global mods and then make it a "rule" that you can only moderate a board other than your own if you are paged to do so because the moderator for that board is unavailable. Failure to follow that rule will result in being fired as moderator.
It would depend on who is chosen for mods. That was part of the problem on TN/TB. Some mods had... less of a tolerance? for certain behaviors. There were some spectacular instances of TB mods stepping in without knowing the culture of the boards (IP sharing mod for instance). I think, in part, that's why they're restricting the mods on TN/TB with the new format.
See, this is what I'm worried about here. Will the mod from one of the puppies & rainbows boards decide to delete posts that offend them on TIP? Each board decides for itself what it will & will not tolerate, and that's fine, but I don't like the idea of mods being able to police other boards. It just gets really sticky. And considering the fact that we've been here three days & have already had mod drama I can totally see that happening.
I think we need at least 2 mods per board. But really, if mods can only delete on their own boards, then I think three would not be a bad idea, specifically since their powers aren't as extensive as they once were.
But I really think we need at least another global mod. How do we arrange THAT election?
It seems to me that with a few notable exceptions, each board only needs one mod. The exception to this rule would be PCE, ML, MM, and maaaaybe TIP. Among those that need two, one should be a person who is often on during the day, the other at night. Also, mods should be people that some of those board's regulars has access to outside of the nest. (For instance, I know I can contact ESD on TIP fairly easily and so can most TIPers. And most PCErs can contact Pixy.)
I further agree with SBP that mods should moderate their selected board unless called upon by members of another board in the absence of their mod. However, I think mods should make exception for personal information. In that case, the information should be removed but everything else should be left to that board's mod to take care of upon their return.
I think we ought to have 3-5 global moderators who are separate from regular moderators and should only be called upon in extreme cases. I would suggest the most level headed of the busiest boards as well as a representative or two from the bump side of things. These would be people who rarely scrap with other posters but have a general idea of the different board cultures.
I don't have an issue with the mod board being private as long as it's not Fight Club private. I think if you pick a good mod or two to handle each board, as adults, we should be able to trust them to be reasonable there. Plus, I doubt it's all fun time harry up in there and I agree with the whole too many cooks in the kitchen adage.
I had more but I feel a migraine coming on and with it comes a loss of my ability to think ugh.
See, this is what I'm worried about here. Will the mod from one of the puppies & rainbows boards decide to delete posts that offend them on TIP? Each board decides for itself what it will & will not tolerate, and that's fine, but I don't like the idea of mods being able to police other boards. It just gets really sticky. And considering the fact that we've been here three days & have already had mod drama I can totally see that happening.
The main (really only, IMO) benefit to being able to moderate on more than your board is if personal information is posted.
I moderated d&r (tame! lol) on the nest for years - the only things I ever edited were spam and personal information. I don't have a quick trigger finger with the edit button! There were a handful of times that I was on another board and someone requested a mod, or theirs wasn't around, to remove personal info from a post.
So, I can see where it would be prudent to have at least a few global mods. I remember ages ago on the nest when a poster's information was left up for 2 - 3 days because it happened over the weekend.
Post by speckledfrog on May 12, 2012 22:01:25 GMT -5
My suggestion for a global mod is to have a mod from one of the more inflammatory boards. They've been chosen as someone who can be trusted to show fair judgment and restraint when things get hairy, keeping in accordance with the generally agreed upon rules. You'd have to choose someone after local board elections. ML is having theirs Tuesday.
That's why that mod from one board could only step in if the mod from the other board was unavailable. It would be a bit of an honor system to the extent you *could* as a mod, edit the hell out of anything. But we could set it up so that your mod powers would be revoked entirely if you edited a post when the "home" moderator had refused to. Am I making sense?
Yeah, I get what you're saying, I'm just not sure that we could trust all of the mods to do that. We already have something like 50 boards, so if we have two mods per board that is 100 mods. Can we trust all of them not to overstep their boundaries?
Like for example, yesterday there was a post reported as being 'perverted' on ML. The ML mods did nothing, because they knew that the poster was a reg & it was no big deal. But would another mod see that no one had responded to the report & think that they should step in and take care of it? If that had happened, a post by a ML regular would have been deleted & then ML would have revolted.
I would rather just have more mods per board & a few global mods to respond reports when no one else is around.
I also think whomever is willing to serve as a global mod ought to be comfortable with regular mods having the ability to contact them via email or FB. (Whichever the global mod feels comfortable with, I mean.)
The point of being a global mod is having a quick way to get personal information removed from the board. That point is lost if the global mod is out of contact.
I think there should be two mods per board for the reason that one person can't be moderating at all times, but some of the less active and tamer boards like gardening and adoption probably don't even need two (but it's not like it could hurt, right?). Then maybe 3-5 global mods. I also agree that the global mods need to be willing to be emailed and also have availability to respond pretty quickly if there is an urgent issue, like personal information that needs to be deleted. Making all mods global mods is overkill and could become problematic.
Do we need to be having Mod "elections" on all boards? I really don't know that F&B even cares, lol.
Do we need to be having Mod "elections" on all boards? I really don't know that F&B even cares, lol.
Probably not. The boards can just decide for themselves how they want to handle it.
I'm going to go ahead and add all of the people who have requested to be mods of the smaller boards tonight, and if any of them want to change it they can.
I think the main thing is just that all of the boards are comfortable with their own mods. I don't want it to seem like someone from the 'outside' has any power--it would be a lot better if each board just takes care of itself.