military boot camp theme birthday party

[eddy]

Jul 8, 2013 12:39:40 GMT -5 AutumnRose25 said:

Jul 8, 2013 12:32:58 GMT -5 meganew said:

But you do understand that war isn't the party theme, yes? It's an obstacle course. And the military does more than just fight in wars.

But if it's just about having an obstacle course, why the need to go to the recruiting office or have a military member come to the party?

I don't know about anyone else, but when I have seen little boys "playing soldier" I have only seen them pretending to "fight" and "shoot" and "battle".

I have never seen them pretending to drop humanitarian aid. 

Yes, as adults we know that the military does some things that do not involve war, but little boys don't really idolize that part of it. 

Well I bet a military representative would be a great person to tell these kids all about dropping humanitarian aid. Then maybe they would play like that.

Also who cares if boys play battle? This is actually a very natural, normal way of imaginative play for children, especially little boys. It doesn't mean they are glorifying it or exposing them to military will make them blood thirsty.

Team military party lol.

[eddy]

Jul 8, 2013 12:42:46 GMT -5 mofongo said:

I found a pic from the party

This pretty much sums up everyday of Jack's life. He has never been exposed to anyone in the military his whole life so you know we are fucked when he actually gets invited to one of these parties.

[vallarta]

Jul 8, 2013 12:46:25 GMT -5 eddy said:

Jul 8, 2013 12:42:46 GMT -5 mofongo said:

I found a pic from the party

This pretty much sums up everyday of Jack's life.

I played the card game war a lot growing up. Now I'm a mercenary. Coincidence?

[sonrisa]

Jul 8, 2013 12:32:13 GMT -5 @letshike said:

Jul 8, 2013 12:24:12 GMT -5 mofongo said:

He talked about sonar and the mechanics of his job. It wasn't war games and killing people. ... but not everything military related is killing and war.

The purpose of those subs and that sonar is for use in military engagement or military defense. It isn't a marine biology exploration sub. They aren't searching the marianas trench for new angler fish nor are they providing humanitarian relief to mermaids. The fact they haven't been used for active warfare since WWII is beside the point. It's analogous to saying nuclear bombs aren't for military purposes just because we haven't been using them either.

ETA: which isn't to say career day is an inappropriate place for a service member. It's just disingenuous to pretend military machines and weapons don't have military purposes.

[margotmacomber]

[Dumbledork]

Jul 8, 2013 11:55:45 GMT -5 vallarta said:

You know people in the military do other jobs than go to war. I can think of deployments to Haiti, New Orleans, and New York City. I think it's a bit of an overreaction to demonize this recruiter, and this mother. How far does this go: policemen, toy guns, water guns, video games, GI Joe?

Also I must admit that t hurts my feelers to here that children shouldn't be exposed to the military. You know my husband has sacrificed a lot for the Army, even though it is by choice. It's not about agreeing with everything that the military does, I certainly have huge issues with how the Army does things, but how many people agree with every policy at their jobs? Service members put up with it a lot of times because they feel a higher calling.

I'm here as well. Also, I'm pretty sure it was frkls who made a post in the tightrope walker thread a week or so ago about wondering if military parents should also be judged (or are "parenting assholes") because they are in a career that has a higher risk of leaving children without a parent. I know others came in and said that it was in no way similar, but I'm still defensive from that comment. Add in the "but they don't kill people" comment and, yea, I took offense.

I'm fine if you (general) don't think the military is awesome and you worry about kids being exposed to guns and violence, I doubt the military at times and I'm very pro-gun control, but I don't think members of our military are bad people simply because they're in the military and that's the tone I get from some of the posts.

[vallarta]

Jul 8, 2013 12:55:26 GMT -5 Dumbledork said:

Jul 8, 2013 11:55:45 GMT -5 vallarta said:

You know people in the military do other jobs than go to war. I can think of deployments to Haiti, New Orleans, and New York City. I think it's a bit of an overreaction to demonize this recruiter, and this mother. How far does this go: policemen, toy guns, water guns, video games, GI Joe?

Also I must admit that t hurts my feelers to here that children shouldn't be exposed to the military. You know my husband has sacrificed a lot for the Army, even though it is by choice. It's not about agreeing with everything that the military does, I certainly have huge issues with how the Army does things, but how many people agree with every policy at their jobs? Service members put up with it a lot of times because they feel a higher calling.

I'm here as well. Also, I'm pretty sure it was frkls who made a post in the tightrope walker thread a week or so ago about wondering if military parents should also be judged (or are "parenting assholes") because they are in a career that has a higher risk of leaving children without a parent. I know others came in and said that it was in no way similar, but I'm still defensive from that comment. Add in the "but they don't kill people" comment and, yea, I took offense.

I'm fine if you (general) don't think the military is awesome and you worry about kids being exposed to guns and violence, I doubt the military at times and I'm very pro-gun control, but I don't think members of our military are bad people simply because they're in the military and that's the tone I get from some of the posts.

I agree so hard.

[speckledfrog]

How trying it must be to constantly defend yourself against things no one really accused you of.

[beans]

Jul 8, 2013 12:55:26 GMT -5 Dumbledork said:

Jul 8, 2013 11:55:45 GMT -5 vallarta said:

You know people in the military do other jobs than go to war. I can think of deployments to Haiti, New Orleans, and New York City. I think it's a bit of an overreaction to demonize this recruiter, and this mother. How far does this go: policemen, toy guns, water guns, video games, GI Joe?

Also I must admit that t hurts my feelers to here that children shouldn't be exposed to the military. You know my husband has sacrificed a lot for the Army, even though it is by choice. It's not about agreeing with everything that the military does, I certainly have huge issues with how the Army does things, but how many people agree with every policy at their jobs? Service members put up with it a lot of times because they feel a higher calling.

I'm here as well. Also, I'm pretty sure it was frkls who made a post in the tightrope walker thread a week or so ago about wondering if military parents should also be judged (or are "parenting assholes") because they are in a career that has a higher risk of leaving children without a parent. I know others came in and said that it was in no way similar, but I'm still defensive from that comment. Add in the "but they don't kill people" comment and, yea, I took offense.

I'm fine if you (general) don't think the military is awesome and you worry about kids being exposed to guns and violence, I doubt the military at times and I'm very pro-gun control, but I don't think members of our military are bad people simply because they're in the military and that's the tone I get from some of the posts.

I'd like to jump in with this. The Nest/GBCN has a long memory, as we know, so the defensive reactions in this specific post could well be in part due to previous shit accumulating over the years. So, yeah, maybe you might not see too much in this one post that is offensive (although that is debatable) when you add in past things like what pumpkin wrote, its fair to feel really defensive when it comes up. We all know who is anti-military and how vocal they can be (not to say the other side isn't vocal), because its has come up lots and lots. Its not this one post. 


My H is in the AF and is a scientist, so like really not a "killer" but it is still offensive to read that's what basically the entirety of the military, regardless of branch or job, is reduced to. I have a meeting with my recruiter on Thursday to talk about joining as a psychologist, with my interest areas being PTSD and TBI. But, I guess I too will just be minimized generally as a "killer" so, that's awesome to hear. Feels really good inside to be diminished to that when I just really want to help serve an arguable underserved (mentally health speaking) population with real issues that need to be addressed. Maybe I'll put it on my business cards! lol 

ETA: nobody may have specifically called service members in this thread baby killers or untouchables, but those notions absolutely have been said here previously. 

[littlesthobo]

Well now I want to have a psychologist as the entertainment at my kid's next party.

[thebuddhagouda]

Jul 8, 2013 12:56:21 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

All I can say is that I am SO glad that I've already decided all of J's parties will be princess themed. Whew!

Oh, wait...

Beatles theme is where it's at

[emsumm]

Jul 8, 2013 13:45:56 GMT -5 thebuddhagouda said:

Jul 8, 2013 12:56:21 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

All I can say is that I am SO glad that I've already decided all of J's parties will be princess themed. Whew!

Oh, wait...

Beatles theme is where it's at

Im going to go pick up some beatles panfletes ASAP, bc the indoctrination could start today for a Beatles party in a year.

ETA:  I wonder if Ringo would come?

[sonrisa]

Jul 8, 2013 13:43:11 GMT -5 littlesthobo said:

Well now I want to have a psychologist as the entertainment at my kid's next party.

Roschach tests and dialectic behavioral therapy for all! 

[beans]

Jul 8, 2013 13:52:53 GMT -5 toledo said:

Jul 8, 2013 13:51:30 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

I have never seen anyone say this here. And I'm here all the damn time. I want to know who said it and when.

We'll wait, beans.  Hell, we'll be here anyway.

Sigh, I am running errands, give me an effing break. I will be back with some sentiments. I am not the best nest googler like some others, but I will try my best in between getting groceries and picking up my dog and heading to the gym. I am not trying like pretend I didn't see you tag me. 

[beans]

Well, I said those NOTIONS have been posted on the nest. So those words Stan used might not be the exact verbiage used over the years (forgive my hyperbole) but there are strong words that have been used. I've been around solidly since 2007, so I know there has been more than one time it has happened.

there is a lot going on in this thread- but there are some classist and killer sentiments RE military in here for sure. Some of the posters try to reason out their shit, but lot of it is pretty offensive to the military people.

community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/10/65679176/ShowThread.aspx


FTR: I am not for war, and I don't like guns. I am not like the ultimate hoo-rah go Army/Air Force/Marines/Navy person out there. I understand why people are against wars and killing people. I am against war, really. I don't agree that the US should be policing the world with wars. So I get it. But some things people say are offensive, and to pretend like somehow the nest collective is above that kind of vitriol is really just disingenuous. I am sure there are plenty of things that didn't hit my radar over the last 6 years because it wasn't my "thing" so it didn't occur to me to be offended.

[beans]

Jul 8, 2013 14:13:27 GMT -5 killercupcake said:

Jul 8, 2013 14:04:43 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

Rorschach party games actually sound pretty awesome.  OH! They could make their own inkblots using finger paints. I think we did something like this in elem. school. lol

I'm totally storing this idea away for my kids.

They can all dress up like famous psychologists too. I might leave Freud out though. Especially if we have boys.

But Freud is the only psychologist you could really dress up as that people would "get"!! lol. Expect sometimes not then. I dressed up as Freud once, and people thought I was Col. Sanders. 

[beans]

Jul 8, 2013 14:19:04 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Jul 8, 2013 14:17:58 GMT -5 beans said:

Well, I said those NOTIONS have been posted on the nest. So those words Stan used might not be the exact verbiage used over the years (forgive my hyperbole) but there are strong words that have been used. I've been around solidly since 2007, so I know there has been more than one time it has happened.

there is a lot going on in this thread- but there are some classist and killer sentiments RE military in here for sure. Some of the posters try to reason out their shit, but lot of it is pretty offensive to the military people.

community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/10/65679176/ShowThread.aspx


FTR: I am not for war, and I don't like guns. I am not like the ultimate hoo-rah go Army/Air Force/Marines/Navy person out there. I understand why people are against wars and killing people. I am against war, really. I don't agree that the US should be policing the world with wars. So I get it. But some things people say are offensive, and to pretend like somehow the nest collective is above that kind of vitriol is really just disingenuous. I am sure there are plenty of things that didn't hit my radar over the last 6 years because it wasn't my "thing" so it didn't occur to me to be offended.

This was on MM. Not here.

oh, ok, my bad. I forgot that there was never any cross-over between boards! My bad! {All boards are the nest!! Isn't that a thing we say?}

My main point was that those sentiments HAVE been expressed on the nest, GBCN, and that is contributing to people's sensitivity on the subject (because people are all "why so sensitive?"- well because of past experiences).  Which I said, previously. I didn't intend to call out a specific board or poster, which I don't think I did. 

[gozf]

I probably should stop coming back in here, but I can't seem to help myself.

[beans]

Does it even matter what I find? At this point, heels are dug in, and when that happens around here, people rarely ever are able to see the other side regardless what is shown/said. And mostly I was saying that its happened historically (I repeat myself) because thats the reason people get worked up in this particular thread. Maybe I am really just remembering Kuus over the years. She's not shy about her opinions, and I don't think she'd shy away from admitting she's said some harsh shit regarding military (ETA not to bring up someone who's already had a hard internet week, but tacom has been in this boat too). But here I sit, able to understand where other people on the opposite side are coming from, so I am confused on why the pile on because I dared say that those negative sentiments have happened over the years? Like, somehow I am being backed into a nest corner being double dared to comb through years of shit because you don't believe there has been vitriol spouted in anti-military segments.

I believe the post I am thinking of specifically, that I can't find is from like, way way way back maybe when I was living in San Antonio (so, before 2009? Maybe). I don't understand what benefit I have in making that up? I don't, really. I am going to go on a limb and say I cannot with any certainty say the quotes of what people have said, what verbiage they have used. So why can you so certainly say they have never been said?

These are not the most offensive posts in the world, but there is some offensive things here (not by all, and I am not making broad sweeping generalizations at all, and oh yeah, it is C&PE for the record, so keep that in mind1!!!11 pandce.proboards.com/thread/44434)

[meganew]

Jul 8, 2013 15:15:34 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

You made a claim. That you can't back up in any way, shape or form.

...... Just like everyone else in this post.

[emsumm]

Jul 8, 2013 15:29:07 GMT -5 meganew said:

Jul 8, 2013 15:15:34 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

You made a claim. That you can't back up in any way, shape or form.

...... Just like everyone else in this post.

I seriously do not understand you in this post.  You come off as unhinged. 

[elleblue]

I think this thread is proof that everyone needs a nap today.

[speckledfrog]

So, we're getting scolded and wall of texted because of something MM said? Thanks, Obama!

[meganew]

Jul 8, 2013 15:43:24 GMT -5 emsumm said:

Jul 8, 2013 15:29:07 GMT -5 meganew said:

...... Just like everyone else in this post.

I seriously do not understand you in this post.  You come off as unhinged. 

Lol. Ok.

[meganew]

Jul 8, 2013 16:02:59 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Jul 8, 2013 15:29:07 GMT -5 meganew said:

...... Just like everyone else in this post.

Sorry, no.  Nobody said, "It's been said here that xyz" except beans.  Everyone else is just offering an opinion.  Beans is the one who specified that those terms had been used here before by other posters; I don't think asking her to name names is uncalled-for.  And, as it turns out, they haven't been used here before by other posters.  Nor, for that matter, are they found in the posts she cited, though that MM post is decidedly unsavory.  None of the sentiments in that MM post are even remotely to be found anywhere in this thread.

I'm not saying that beans is right- I just think everyone us making assumptions when we have no idea what this party was like!

[beans]

Jul 8, 2013 15:11:25 GMT -5 toledo said:

So, basically, no, you don't know of any ML threads where people went nuts calling service members baby killers or started class warfare and said they were untouchables?

Yup!! you would appear to be correct. But I never said anyone said those exact words. In fact I said several times that I said those sentiments (not words) were implied over the years. So, yeah. Also, I specifically stated "on the global nest/gbcn", not "ML" because fuck if I can remember what posts started where and who cross posted what, and what posters post on more than one board, and which boards those all are! So sorry to implicate ML specifically in this military bashing, that was far far from my original intent, I would hate to tarnish y'alls name!! 


So basically, we have a classic internet situation where my original intent of "gee, I can understand why some people are upset because there have historically been some pretty crumby and insulting things said about the military/service members/their spouses" has been turned into a semantical beast of "you can't prove your claims!!11!!1 ZOMG!!" I was using words someone else said in a discussion, and I went down in flames for it! Huzzah! The internet wins again. 

I am a fraud! Hang me at the stake here people!

Toledo, I bow to you. LHC as well. Have been sufficiently abashed and powned?

[10nille]

I'd be way more upset with a clown at a party than a SM. It's a shame without knowing what actually went on at the party there is all this hostility over the idea of having a SM there.

[beans]

Jul 8, 2013 17:14:55 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Yes, clearly you are the level-headed one here, beans. We are all military haters and call people in the military terrible names and think they're lesser beings, even though nobody in this thread has ever said as much in any thread on this board or any other.

Woah Woah Woah. Dont even try to put those words in my mouth. I never ever said or implied anything fucking remotely close to that. Thats just unfair to put on me and I really truly don't even think that, nor do I think I implied it ANYWHERE in my posts. I don't know where you got that bs from. I said "negative statements have been made in the past" I even said "maybe I am thinking of two specific posters here"

Don't try to paint me as some "militant pro-military, no one can ever say anything remotely bad about the military or they should die in an unpatriotic fire type person." You have sorely misread my posts.  

Am I taking crazy pills? Is the impact of what I am typing so fucking far off base from my intent?? I was trying to be level headed. I agreed I could be wrong on verbiage (although I know extremely negative sentiment has been there). I tried to find posts, but realized the futility plus I suck apparently at googling. I never called names to anyone. I don't even know why you, Lucy, seem to be taking this so personally. I never implied you were part of it. I never really meant to imply Married Life was specifically part of it! I never realized people on this specific board are so sensitive to being misconstrued as a different board, when many of the posters cross post on other boards. Forgive my confusion. 

Where does "Historically this has been said, so I get why people now are overly defensive" = EVERYONE on ML hates the mil and they all said it to me just now!!11!!11!!!!

[speckledfrog]

I think emsumm blew the "unhinged" wad too early.

[emsumm]

I SO did. I was thinking those exact words, lol.