Give me a break, Mary. If they really worked that much, they'd have money and wouldn't need a handout.
F'real. Everybody knows that if you have a job you automatically have enough to feed and support your family. There is no such thing as the working poor. That's just a stupid myth.
*scoff*
Amen. My parents worked four jobs between them while going to school when we were on assistance. I became the best frozen pizza/hot pocket maker in my 3rd grade class because my parents had to buy food that was easy for us kids to make because they weren't home for dinner.
poverty is a cycle. and if you're going to pull yourself up out of it you're going to need a little help.
This was our situation. We took the help we needed, but H and I busted our asses between work and school and finally didn't need it. It felt fucking good too, to call and say cancel our food stamps. So now when I buy my skittles I can be judged by my weight and not my temporary financial situation.
Yeah, NC's actually still going though with this atrocity
As for sequin's right to comment/have an opinion (however much they differ with mine): I'm not gay, but I have an opinion on gay marriage. It's still valid to have an opinion on something you're not personally invested in
H4 is a spousal visa. I am not allowed to work in the US unless someone sponsors a H1B for me.
So you DON'T have a work permit, you have an accompanying-visa. So.....where exactly do you feel you have the right to judge people on welfare when you are not even paying into these programs?
Non-moms don't get to have childcare opinions either, right?
She was looking for more information and she got it. She has said that she was wrong.
When I was a mom at 18, I used WIC for a short time. The looks I got at the grocery store were humiliating. Her dad and I did the best we could and got off of WIC in a very short amount of time. I am glad my baby didn't have to go hungry because of our poor choices.
And, I also have a Section 8 anecdote. I used to own a 2 family home with XH. We rented out half to two different tenants. Tenant 1 paid $1500 a month in a LCOL area and trashed my house and backyard. We had to tear up carpet, repaint and air the place out for days before we could even walk in without feeling nauseous. Tenant 2 received Section 8 assistance and was the perfect tenant. Rent was never late (because she would have lost assistance if she didn't pay her share), she treated my house better than I did, and she never complained. She was just happy to have a place to live.
Post by iammalcolmx on Sept 6, 2013 13:03:39 GMT -5
Speaking of WIC why isn't there some way they can just put them on a card like Food Stamps?
I live in a gentrified area so I see people using assistance all the time, doesn't bother me. It makes me sad the Markets with great quality and cheap produce are not easily accessible by public transit. My local farmers market does however double your money if you are using EBT to pay for your items.
F'real. Everybody knows that if you have a job you automatically have enough to feed and support your family. There is no such thing as the working poor. That's just a stupid myth.
*scoff*
And if you have a shitty paying job, just go get a better one! It's SO easy.
My first ML flaming consisted of several MLers telling me this!
So you wanted visa details to shame me into my place. I am not a working member of the society, so I should not dare open my mouth with opinions on reform. And when the fuck did I judge people on welfare? You seem to be on a mission to find offence where there is none just because you have faced this attitude a lot in life. IF i was running the govt, which I am not, I MIGHT look into random drug testing to prevent addicts from abusing the system. If I did find an addict who is abusing the system, I am not going to kick him out of the program, I am suggesting offering rehab and addiction counseling. Clearly, you think that is a waste of money and after reading your statements, I agree. The money would be better spent elsewhere.
Why does the government have the right to drug test its citizens? IMO it constitutes an unreasonable search and seizure unless you also put into place random drug tests for ALL recipients of government money -- senators, federal workers, recipients of government grants for education. And to do so would be a staggering cost. Well and above what it would cost to simply give people benefits and social programs they need.
The only reason to drug test a welfare population is because you think they are less able or willing to get help than other, presumably wealthier, citizens. Because you think they are somehow less-than. Period.
THANK YOU!
OMG.
Why are addicts are less entitled to try to improve their lives?
Non-moms don't get to have childcare opinions either, right?
She was looking for more information and she got it. She has said that she was wrong.
Where did I say she can't have an opinion?
I just find it shitty that someone who isn't even currently paying into the welfare programs is saying that people receiving welfare should be drug-tested for no other reason than they are on welfare.
Eh, it's a fine fine line between an opinion and a judgement. You are beating her down for not having the same opinion that you do, even though she has admitted that she wasn't working with much information and is now looking at the issue differently. Enough already.
We were on food stamps a few years ago. I always get so disappointed when I see my friends post these things. Being on public assistance sucked - everyone looks at you like a freakin' addict or criminal. I used to shop in the middle of the night, for fear I'd run into someone I knew.
See - this is a shame. Even my own DH wouldn't go on food stamps - when he was fully qualified for them - because he didn't think he was in that bad of a situation.
And legitimately, it's people who fuck with the system who ruin it for those people who need them.
It really is a shame. My father recently had to get food stamps/assistance and he was so ashamed and embarrassed and I said dad, you have worked and paid taxes into the system for the past 35+ years. There's really nothing to be ashamed of.
I used to think the same way. I was young and very sheltered and had never been stretched to my max. I am still very lucky. I cannot imagine how exhausting it could be to live in poverty. I am a stay at home mom to two great kids in a very nice area with plenty of money for everything we need and many things we want, and STILL by the end of the day I am DONE. All out of fucks to give. Sure kid, throw that salad on the floor an eat shredded cheese and Cheerios for dinner. Whatever.
There are lazy idiot poor people and lazy idiot rich people, but I have to believe that most people are trying their best to get through the day and live a good life. And if frozen pizzas and skittles help you not run out of your house screaming then have at it. Life can be very hard sometimes.
Speaking of WIC why isn't there some way they can just put them on a card like Food Stamps?
In my county, WIC will be using a sort of EBT card starting Feb 2014. If we are still using WIC then I am kind of excited to see how Iit will work. Everyone in the office there is very excited about how easy it will make things.
I came to this country on a student visa and I would get these long horrendous periods that would last for months and leave me anemic and tired. I could only work for 20hrs on campus which mostly just paid minimum wage. The only thing that saved me was when they state of California started offering free birthcontrol for low income people. I was not promiscuous and I still needed birthcontrol. It annoys the heck out of me when people say that poor people should be sterilized.
I don't understand the pleasure people get in shaming others who need help.
Shit, I grew up on food stamps. We lived in the projects when I was a baby until my grandparents un-shunned my mother and allowed her to move home. She was in college, so we were still on food stamps supplemented with massive student loans until she graduated. We were dirt poor. Like one Thanksgiving when we were re-shunned, we ate turkey hot dogs for Thanksgiving dinner.
Now that I'm not poor (not even ML poor!), I don't begrudge anyone their Skittles. It's fucking hard to be poor. It's hard to be a poor kid. You KNOW you're poor and you know people look down on you, even when you're young enough that you shouldn't know that kind of thing. Shopping at the food bank sucks. Buying your clothes at Goodwill and KNOWING you're going to go to school in other kids' castoffs sucks. Being hungry sucks. Never knowing if you'll come home to a dark house because your electricity was turned off AGAIN sucks.
Fuck people who can't have the least bit of compassion for those in a sorry situation. Fuck people who think just because you're poor means that you should never have anything fun or happy or nice. Fuck those people in the fucking face.
I still miss government cheese. Fuck, that was great cheese.