I usually lurk here, but someone asked on MM, and I thought you all might have some info. Fiscal year ends 9/30. I haven't heard anything yet from my agency.
Well not every single year lol, but for the past couple years yeah. Except this time we are hearing it may "actually" happen. I get confused by all the various scenarios though and crises.
The Rs apparently want to defund Obamacare before they'll vote to raise the debt ceiling but I don't think the debt ceiling is what would cause the gov to shut down?
Well not every single year lol, but for the past couple years yeah. Except this time we are hearing it may "actually" happen. I get confused by all the various scenarios though and crises.
The Rs apparently want to defund Obamacare before they'll vote to raise the debt ceiling but I don't think the debt ceiling is what would cause the gov to shut down?
Yeah, H is reading that it's more likely this year than in years past, which is what has us worried.
Wouldn't it be a kick in the teeth if I moved here for this job and the government shuts down 2 days after my promotion?
For a federal employee, I have a very weak understanding of federal budgeting, lol. I'm not even sure what would cause a shutdown this year. The shutdown threats are relatively new- within the last 3 years or so.
For a federal employee, I have a very weak understanding of federal budgeting, lol. I'm not even sure what would cause a shutdown this year. The shutdown threats are relatively new- within the last 3 years or so.
mrsbecky, I think we work at the same place.
You work with @mrsbecky07, @amoosed and I? I feel like our agency makes up a significant portion of GBCN. lol.
For a federal employee, I have a very weak understanding of federal budgeting, lol. I'm not even sure what would cause a shutdown this year. The shutdown threats are relatively new- within the last 3 years or so.
For a federal employee, I have a very weak understanding of federal budgeting, lol. I'm not even sure what would cause a shutdown this year. The shutdown threats are relatively new- within the last 3 years or so.
mrsbecky, I think we work at the same place.
You work with x, y, z and I? I feel like our agency makes up a significant portion of GBCN. lol.
I know ed funding has been held up for some grants because of this. It is driving me crazy. Hey TP, or Boehner, get it together and strong arm some. I am more worried about DC (mainly I have a meeting down there on 9/30) and how it will impact the city itself as its budget is tied to this as well, no?
Post by anonymous on Sept 18, 2013 10:23:48 GMT -5
This really pisses me off. The GOP has tried this and failed every.single.time. Now they are screwing with the livelihood of federal employees b/c of their personal vendetta? As if morale at fed agencies is not bad enough already.
Post by eliseb0323 on Sept 18, 2013 10:37:06 GMT -5
The last actual shutdown for lack of appropriations was 1995-96 during the Clinton Administration. It didn't go well for the Republicans and they were blamed, and they haven't wanted to repeat that, especially in big election years.
This year the Republicans are divided. Some of them want to force a shutdown by putting forth a continuing resolution that would defund Obamacare. If we don't pass a continuing resolution of some kind, there will be a shutdown. Obama says he won't sign a CR that defunds Obamacare, and it's unlikely that it would pass the Senate. It's all a stupid political game with federal workers as the pawns. In the end, there will probably be a series of short CRs, single appropriation bills quietly passed over time, and a stupid game of chicken on the raising of the debt ceiling.
Personally, I think if they are going to dick around with threats of a shutdown, they should shut down the ENTIRE government. No planes fly. No food is inspected. No Social Security checks issued. Military doesn't get paid. See how quickly people get mad at the games and force Congress to do something.
Post by eliseb0323 on Sept 18, 2013 10:45:02 GMT -5
From today's Washington Post:
House GOP Revolt Moves Shutdown Closer By Lori Montgomery and Paul Kane
The threat of a government shutdown intensified Tuesday as House Republican leaders moved toward stripping funding from President Obama’s landmark health-care initiative and setting up a stalemate with the Democratic Senate.
House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) had hoped to keep the government open past Sept. 30 with relatively little fuss. But roughly 40 conservatives revolted. After a strategy session Tuesday, Boehner and his leadership team were being pushed into a more confrontational strategy that would fund the government into the new fiscal year only if Democrats agreed to undermine Obama’s signature legislative achievement.
Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) have ruled that out, leaving the parties hurtling toward an apparent impasse.
In less than two weeks — with the nation at war and authorities investigating a mass shooting at the Washington Navy Yard — every federal agency from the Pentagon to the FBI is due to shut down unless Congress can reach an agreement. A shutdown would not only disrupt critical government services but also whip up a panic just as lawmakers confront the next major deadline on their fall calendar: the need to raise the $16.7 trillion federal debt limit.
Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf said Tuesday that the Treasury Department is likely to run out of cash to pay its bills “sometime between late October and mid-November,” confirming independent estimates. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew has so far been vague about that deadline, telling Congress only that he would exhaust his ability to juggle the books by mid-October.
Despite the risk of widespread economic turmoil, political leaders have yet to begin talks to resolve the impasse. Obama has repeatedly said he would not negotiate over the debt limit, arguing that it is the responsibility of Congress to make sure the Treasury can pay bills incurred by past Congresses. Last month, the White House and a group of Senate Republicans agreed to suspend discussions about a broader budget deal.
Meanwhile, both Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) have said it’s up to the House to make the first move to keep the government open. Reid on Tuesday called on Boehner to resist “this relentless obstruction . . . led and directed by the tea party.”
“None of the Republicans are willing to stand up to these anarchists,” Reid told reporters. Of the law known as Obamacare, he added: “They’re obsessed with a bill that passed four years ago, a bill that was declared constitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States. They can’t get over that.”
Even many Republicans have expressed frustration with the right wing’s fixation on the health-care law, which is intended to make insurance affordable to millions of additional Americans. People are due to begin signing up with new state-run insurance exchanges Oct. 1 and will be eligible for new federal subsidies in 2014.
Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and Mike Lee (R-Utah) and a band of House conservatives are leading the charge to block implementation of the law, along with outside groups such as Heritage Action for America and the Club for Growth. On Tuesday, the conservative editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, which is influential in the GOP, urged them to stand down.
“The problem is that Mr. Obama is never, ever going to unwind his signature legacy project of national health care. Ideology aside, it would end his Presidency politically,” the paper wrote. It warned that voters may well blame Republicans for a shutdown given that “the repeal-or-bust crowd provoked the confrontation.”
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), a strong supporter of the defund strategy, dismissed the criticism, which has also come from senior Republican lawmakers and strategists.
“All that really matters is what my district wants,” Massie said. “And my district is overwhelmingly in favor of my position.”
Upon returning to Washington after a long weekend at home, Boehner and his leadership team met for an hour Tuesday afternoon in the Capitol. Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said in a statement that no decisions about strategy “have been made, or will be made, until House Republican members meet and talk tomorrow” morning.
But other participants in the meeting said it became clear that a government-funding plan unveiled last week by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), which would have avoided a showdown over Obamacare, could not rally enough GOP votes.
“It was not [well] received in the conference,” said Rep. Steve Southerland II (R-Fla.), who attended Tuesday’s meeting representing the massive freshman class of Republicans elected in 2010. Instead, Southerland said, GOP leaders were leaning toward satisfying their right wing, fully aware that such a move would invite rejection in the Senate.
The Senate, then, would be likely to respond with its own funding plan that jettisoned the anti-Obamacare provisions. Senate Democrats could also make other changes, such as rolling back some of the automatic spending cuts, known as the sequester, that Republicans view as their most significant recent legislative achievement.
That would leave the House to make an eleventh-hour decision: Swallow the Senate’s changes or shut the government down.
As the wrangling continued, people in both parties worried that House Republicans would prove unable to unite around any strategy, leaving the nation’s fiscal well-being at risk. RETURN TO TOP
So what are they trying to defund exactly? The exchanges? It's not like every.single.part of the ACA starts being active October 1st.
I believe they want all funding for Obamacare stripped from 2014 appropriations. So it won't be implemented.
Basically, since the House has voted 33 (or is it 34 now?) times to repeal the ACA but it can't get through the Senate, the Tea Party wants to hold the entire country hostage until they get their way.
Post by iammalcolmx on Sept 18, 2013 11:22:01 GMT -5
Last time the shut down the Government DC Government was shut down as well for a few days and then they went back to work. NSA and the Patent Office stayed open.
This really pisses me off. The GOP has tried this and failed every.single.time. Now they are screwing with the livelihood of federal employees b/c of their personal vendetta? As if morale at fed agencies is not bad enough already.
Here here! Fuck these fuckers! They lost an election in which repealing Obamacare was part if the platform and they couldn't get a bill passed any of the 40 times they tried, so now they're threatening to not pay federal workers. Big fucking babies. And let's not forget that federal workers haven't had so much as a COL raise in three years! I notice Congress has gotten a raise every year...
The last actual shutdown for lack of appropriations was 1995-96 during the Clinton Administration. It didn't go well for the Republicans and they were blamed, and they haven't wanted to repeat that, especially in big election years.
This year the Republicans are divided. Some of them want to force a shutdown by putting forth a continuing resolution that would defund Obamacare. If we don't pass a continuing resolution of some kind, there will be a shutdown. Obama says he won't sign a CR that defunds Obamacare, and it's unlikely that it would pass the Senate. It's all a stupid political game with federal workers as the pawns. In the end, there will probably be a series of short CRs, single appropriation bills quietly passed over time, and a stupid game of chicken on the raising of the debt ceiling.
Personally, I think if they are going to dick around with threats of a shutdown, they should shut down the ENTIRE government. No planes fly. No food is inspected. No Social Security checks issued. Military doesn't get paid. See how quickly people get mad at the games and force Congress to do something.
I would not be opposed to seeing the shitstorm that would occur nationally with a REAL shutdown but really, all the government needs to do to see riots all over the country is the bolded lol.
The last actual shutdown for lack of appropriations was 1995-96 during the Clinton Administration. It didn't go well for the Republicans and they were blamed, and they haven't wanted to repeat that, especially in big election years.
This year the Republicans are divided. Some of them want to force a shutdown by putting forth a continuing resolution that would defund Obamacare. If we don't pass a continuing resolution of some kind, there will be a shutdown. Obama says he won't sign a CR that defunds Obamacare, and it's unlikely that it would pass the Senate. It's all a stupid political game with federal workers as the pawns. In the end, there will probably be a series of short CRs, single appropriation bills quietly passed over time, and a stupid game of chicken on the raising of the debt ceiling.
Personally, I think if they are going to dick around with threats of a shutdown, they should shut down the ENTIRE government. No planes fly. No food is inspected. No Social Security checks issued. Military doesn't get paid. See how quickly people get mad at the games and force Congress to do something.
I would not be opposed to seeing the shitstorm that would occur nationally with a REAL shutdown but really, all the government needs to do to see riots all over the country is the bolded lol.
I want to see air transportation shut down No FAA. No TSA. No DOT. Congressional reps from states not within easy driving distance from DC are stuck here until they fix the damn problem.
I want to see air transportation shut down No FAA. No TSA. No DOT. Congressional reps from states not within easy driving distance from DC are stuck here until they fix the damn problem.
I want to see this, but with the DC government budget carved out. We don't get to vote, don't fuck us on trash collection too!
It's like 50/50 on whether mine gets picked up anyway. DON'T TAKE AWAY MY 50 PERCENT CHANCE OF WEEKLY TRASH COLLECTION!
Post by eliseb0323 on Sept 18, 2013 12:12:47 GMT -5
The only silver lining I see in this is that the GOP finally pisses off enough people that they lose control of the House in the next election. I suspect that is what the Dems are hoping for too, so they will be less likely to negotiate.
I would not be opposed to seeing the shitstorm that would occur nationally with a REAL shutdown but really, all the government needs to do to see riots all over the country is the bolded lol.
I believe they want all funding for Obamacare stripped from 2014 appropriations. So it won't be implemented.
Basically, since the House has voted 33 (or is it 34 now?) times to repeal the ACA but it can't get through the Senate, the Tea Party wants to hold the entire country hostage until they get their way.
YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.
Fuck them.
I am just full of righteous anger these days.
I actually think we're up to 42 now.
As long as h's promotion still goes through on 1 oct (a year delayed thanks to congress) I won't take to the streets quite yet.