Has anyone finished Allegiant yet? MAJOR SPOILERS ABOUND.

[textbookcase]

I haven't had a chance to read it yet

::backs slowly out of thread::

[adamantium]

I finished yesterday. Still have mixed feelings.

[nomad100]

I am about halfway through. Should be done tomorrow.

[sparkythelawyer]

I did. I'm still pissed.

Admittedly, I read it back to front because I NEEDED to know how it ended and I had a bad feeling about how this book was going to go after the end of book 2, and I was partially right.

[jojoandleo]

I finished it a few days ago and have gone back and forth about it. Someone tell me how to do the spoilers code so i can post it and not ruin it for everyone.

[jojoandleo]

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At first I was fucking pissed. I kept expecting her to pop back up and not being dead or something. I thought the third book was better written than the other two and then THAT!?! REALLY? Then I started thinking and was like, well, it showed somethings are worth dying for and she was 16, it's not like her and Four/Tobias would really end up together forever. Also, this makes it different from ALL the other YA out there. Then i went back to-This is YA! Really? Who gives a fuck about realistic! It's for kids! You don't kill off the main character! i had a relationship with her! I'm all weepy over it and I'mm an adult. 16 year olds are going to be pissed! So-I don't know how I feel. I thnk I am going through the stages of grief.

I did like the social commentary about discrimination and wealth disparity issues, though.

[rugbywife]

I have read like 2 pages. This is my weekend plan. I had to go on wikipedia and read the summary of Insurgent because I read it so long ago.

[jojoandleo]

Oct 25, 2013 9:23:35 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Oct 25, 2013 9:12:38 GMT -5 jojoandleo said:

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At first I was fucking pissed. I kept expecting her to pop back up and not being dead or something. I thought the third book was better written than the other two and then THAT!?! REALLY? Then I started thinking and was like, well, it showed somethings are worth dying for and she was 16, it's not like her and Four/Tobias would really end up together forever. Also, this makes it different from ALL the other YA out there. Then i went back to-This is YA! Really? Who gives a fuck about realistic! It's for kids! You don't kill off the main character! i had a relationship with her! I'm all weepy over it and I'mm an adult. 16 year olds are going to be pissed! So-I don't know how I feel. I thnk I am going through the stages of grief.

I did like the social commentary about discrimination and wealth disparity issues, though.

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I liked the implied ethnic cleansing storyline, and wish they hadn't killed Tris off because I want to know how GD and GP people would end up interacting.  The GD were basically the Factionless, and I liked the cyclical nature of the whole system and wanted to see how Four and Tris would function in that kind of world, where the same prejudices existed but where there were no more factions. 

I thought the same as you -- "At least it's not like all the other YA novels" -- but then realized I wanted it to be.  The way it's written, Tris's death is ultimately as senseless as all the others that came before it.  She might as well have died on the table at Erudite.

I also liked Four less in this installation.  Like, WE GET IT, he's broken and damaged and IT'S EVEN IN HIS GENES, etc.  I'd have liked to have seen him get stronger as opposed to weaker.  When Nita was like, "We need you for this totally-sketchy and obviously-false break-in," I was like, uh, WHY?  Four's nearly useless by that point.  And it shows when he's caught in this dumb fucking situation, when before he was able to escape over nearly insurmountable odds. 

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Yeah, Four pissed me off with that shit. I think it was trying to show that he wasn't damaged, but by TELLING HIM he was, he acted like it. I also HATE that they killed Uriah. WHY? So Four could feel guilty? I feel he did get stronger in the end after everything went down.

I wish it had been like all the other YA, too. I read YA for the happy ending! It's fiction! I remember thinking "JK Rowling would never have done this to me." She killed off a lot of people I cared about, but not the main 3.

I also don't really get the difference between this death and at Euridite. Both were to protect other people. Maybe it was because she didn't care about her life then and she did in Allegiant? But why kill her when she realizes life is worth living? Why not show life is worth living and you can overcome shit because of that? Yes, things are worth dying for, which she showed by going in there, you didn't ACTUALLY have to kill her. I want to know how her publishing team was like, "Yeah, kill her off, that's great!" If this wasn't YA, I probably would have expected it and not been as devastated.

[sparkythelawyer]

Let's see if I can do this spoiler thing right.

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I hate the ending.  Hate it.  I think it served no purpose.  My instinct initially had been at the end of book 2 that Tobias was going to be killed, so I was sort of right in that someone main was killed, but really, this ending served no purpose to the story.  I seriously wonder if the author decided half way through that she liked Tobias as a character better, and decided to focus on him instead.  I am half expecting to see a book 4 that focuses solely on him.  It would also explain why the short stories that were released before Allegiant were only from his point of view.  

I know they are shooting the movie for the first book right now, and really?  After that ending I have no interest in seeing it.

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[jojoandleo]

Oct 25, 2013 9:30:59 GMT -5 sparkythelawyer said:

Let's see if I can do this spoiler thing right.

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I hate the ending.  Hate it.  I think it served no purpose.  My instinct initially had been at the end of book 2 that Tobias was going to be killed, so I was sort of right in that someone main was killed, but really, this ending served no purpose to the story.  I seriously wonder if the author decided half way through that she liked Tobias as a character better, and decided to focus on him instead.  I am half expecting to see a book 4 that focuses solely on him.  It would also explain why the short stories that were released before Allegiant were only from his point of view.  

I know they are shooting the movie for the first book right now, and really?  After that ending I have no interest in seeing it.

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Now I am getting all angry again.  I agree.  Her death was pointless besides Roth being all "I'm different from other YA authors."  WHO CARES!  I like YA because it gives me that happy ending.  I get that Britney Spears and Christina Aguilar and all those pop stars have similar songs, BUT I DON'T CARE!  I like it!

I will still see the movie, though.  I think killing Tris takes away from the main message of her book and will be the focus for most people rather than the social commentary.  Veronica Roth is on my list.

[lynn07]

Oct 25, 2013 9:23:35 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Oct 25, 2013 9:12:38 GMT -5 jojoandleo said:

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At first I was fucking pissed. I kept expecting her to pop back up and not being dead or something. I thought the third book was better written than the other two and then THAT!?! REALLY? Then I started thinking and was like, well, it showed somethings are worth dying for and she was 16, it's not like her and Four/Tobias would really end up together forever. Also, this makes it different from ALL the other YA out there. Then i went back to-This is YA! Really? Who gives a fuck about realistic! It's for kids! You don't kill off the main character! i had a relationship with her! I'm all weepy over it and I'mm an adult. 16 year olds are going to be pissed! So-I don't know how I feel. I thnk I am going through the stages of grief.

I did like the social commentary about discrimination and wealth disparity issues, though.

SPOILER: Click to show

I liked the implied ethnic cleansing storyline, and wish they hadn't killed Tris off because I want to know how GD and GP people would end up interacting.  The GD were basically the Factionless, and I liked the cyclical nature of the whole system and wanted to see how Four and Tris would function in that kind of world, where the same prejudices existed but where there were no more factions. 

I thought the same as you -- "At least it's not like all the other YA novels" -- but then realized I wanted it to be.  The way it's written, Tris's death is ultimately as senseless as all the others that came before it.  She might as well have died on the table at Erudite.

I also liked Four less in this installation.  Like, WE GET IT, he's broken and damaged and IT'S EVEN IN HIS GENES, etc.  I'd have liked to have seen him get stronger as opposed to weaker.  When Nita was like, "We need you for this totally-sketchy and obviously-false break-in," I was like, uh, WHY?  Four's nearly useless by that point.  And it shows when he's caught in this dumb fucking situation, when before he was able to escape over nearly insurmountable odds. 

Yeah, I think she was trying to be "bold and edgy" and that's why she did it. Because there's no other YA series that really do that. But it basically makes me feel like the whole series is pointless. I agree with the PP that I almost don't even want to go see the movies anymore if they're going to end the same way.

[weelass24]

I think it was a ballsy move and I appreciate that a lot. I'm still working out how I personally feel about it. I was shocked though

[sparkythelawyer]

I also think that I did not like this series as much as The Hunger Games. There were some things I liked better, like I felt that at least in book once, the energy and atmosphere in Dauntless allowed her to have some scenes where she was just a teenage girl, and not some suffering heroine (not many, but some). But really, I don't know if this author really charted new territory here. And too many of the plotlines got mangled and distracted by stuff that was not that relevant to them.

In short, I remain pissed :-).

[weelass24]

Oct 25, 2013 10:02:01 GMT -5 c7 said:

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UGH. I was disappointed Allegiant.

1) I was shocked that Tris died but I wasn't overly upset. Her death was in line with her character.

2) I loved Divergent because it was character-driven. Tris and Four drove the plot. I loved learning more about them and their world. Insurgent lost some of that. Allegiant almost lost it completely. SO MUCH TALKY TALKY. A lot of the explanations felt forced, like she was just explaining things to us, especially about the Bureau and the science, just so the plot could move along. The serums, the genetics, the history of the Bureau, the history they hid. None of it felt organic; it all felt forced to me.

2a) Not only did she "talk at" us, so many characters felt like they were placed there to move the plot along. Matthew. David. Zoe. I didn't buy Matthew's dead GD girlfriend story for a minute. Too convenient, too out of nowhere. I suspected David and Tris's mom were romantically involved, but again, his character was too underdeveloped to be believable. Why would a high ranking commander of the Bureau just randomly induct Tris into the inner council when she is clearly Four's girlfriend, the same Four who just incited rebellion against the Bureau days before David offered her this "promotion"? Because she threatened to sacrifice him for "the greater good?" Because she looks like his old childhood flame?

3) What was the point of Peter? He was so fearsome in Divergent. He lost that in Insurgent. He was completely pointless in Allegiant. Why did she keep him around as a character? He basically sat on his bed and read books until the end. Then he all of a sudden wants to insert himself into the action?

4) Hated the shifting viewpoints.

5) Too much conflict. Who is on what side? Why? First we were fighting against Jeanine because she was killing Divergent. Then we were fighting against Marcus/Evelyn/the factionless to expose "Edith Prior's Truth." We embrace the Allegiant. Now the Allegiant are pointless, so we're fighting the Bureau. WHY DO WE KEEP CHANGING THE ENEMY?

6) Amar was hot for Four? What!?! That came out of nowhere.

OMG #6. Totally gratuitous.  

[sparkythelawyer]

Also, all of the things c7 said.

[callalily]

I completely agree with Lucy. I also agree with a lot of what C7 said. I think I'm going to have to reread it to fully process my feelings.

[jojoandleo]

c7

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I feel like she thres in #6be like "Look! GAY CHARACTERS! I'm cool with it! Like, what? Why? I felt the same way about throwing in Lynn loving Marlene. Like, why? You gave us NOTHING about that except maybe her not liking Lynn and Uriah together. You just want gay readers to be all "OMG! She likes us!" No.

[sparkythelawyer]

This also supports my theory that by the third book on a trilogy, the author has lost steam. This was so much weaker than the other two.

[sugarbear]

I'm not reading the thread in case there are spoilers in the replies. But I'm wondering how you ladies felt about the voice switching for each chapter (and then, somewhere in the middle it's no longer every other chapter)?

I don't like it, because I keep forgetting to look at the name. Also, I feel like Tobias' voice is not what I'd imagined it to be. Is it just me?

[nomad100]

All I have to say is WTMFer.

Not what I expected and not impressed.

Now I am a bit peeved I didn't wait until I got it for free via my library even if i would have had to wait forever. (I was 108 of 155 when I broke down and bought it).

[Amy]

I'm glad you all were disappointed as well, I read the thread about it on the book board and was really surprised by how much positive feedback it was getting - I really disliked it

[pugz]

I have much to say once i'm not mobile!!

[pugz]

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OK I wish Tris hadn't died but honestly that's not what bugs me most.  The story was really rushed and a nice happy resolution at the Bureau and in Chicago were just WAY too easy for a group of a few teenagers to accomplish over the course of a couple of days.  I also wonder where the government was in this and why they did't intervene and retaliate.  Also by resetting the Bureau folks they haven't really fixed things.  Those people had families I assume, and they'll find out the truth about their history eventually just like the GDs found out the true history of the human race.  I think making it a 4 book series would have been better, giving more time to explore the outside world and not rush to such and easy tied up ending.  

[scribellesam]

Bleah, this was pretty disappointing. I feel like I did after I read Mockingjay. All this build up to watch them putter around an airport nattering on about genetic makeup.

Okay, I did tear up when Tobias and Evelyn reconciled. But that's just because I've been on vacation without DS for five days and I'm missing him like crazy.

[buddysmom]

Because of this thread I bought and read the entire series yesterday. What an anticlimactic end to a totally lazy Saturday....

[alzi]

I just finished, I know this thread is old. But, does this remind anyone else of the lady book in the Maze Runner series? They just seemed similar to me.

[Deleted]

Resurrecting this thread.

This book was so limited in scale, unbelievable, and outright boring it took me like a week to read it. I couldn't stand to read more than a few chapters before taking a fucking day off in order to wrestle back my irritation.

The ending was dumb. The dialogue was even MORE wooden than in the other books.

Also, I never want to encounter the word "serum" again.

[Mrs.Rad888]

Meh. I was really underwhelmed. I was kind of underwhelmed by the whole series, really. Maybe I shouldn't have read it right after Hunger Games.
What really irritated me in Allegiant was how easy it was for all of them from the experiment to get around the airport, as well as going between the airport, the experiment, and the fringes. Like David said, of course we're watching you. And I didn't like how Tris seemed to feel that the fate of the world rested entirely on her shoulders. She was 16? I don't remember feeling like I knew everything until I was 19 or so.

[CurlyQ284]

I thought it was okay. I was sad when Tris died and expected her to be OK somehow but I was kind of meh about it.

[pinkpinot]

I haven't read it but I loved Divergent so freakin' much. The second book was terrible in my opinion. It felt rushed and I hated Tris. I've been reading the spoilers and such in this thread and goodreads and decided not to waste my time reading the 3rd. It seems like what could have been an awesome and unique YA dystopian trilogy just fell flat.