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[pixy0stix]

Jun 28, 2012 9:15:28 GMT -5 pugz said:

::rocks in corner::

You and me both.

[charminglife]

CNN needs to take that breaking news banner down.

[pixy0stix]

Jun 28, 2012 9:17:21 GMT -5 @mrsbecky07 said:

CNN screwed up and I'm assuming other sources (HuffPo for example) got their initial reports from CNN hence the spreading confusion.

This is awesome. I wonder where CNN got their source from and who will be fired.

[niemand88f]

Amy Howe:
The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.

[runforrest]

CNN is really pissing me off. MSNBC says that it was upheld.

Will you guys post the link to the opinion when it is up? I want to try to wade through it...even though my Patent Lawyer brain will probably need to be schooled on what it means.

WTH with the conflicting reports??

[2curlydogs]

The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.

[Kristinmo]

Amy Howe: The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.

[Deleted]

The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.

[BettyBookWorm]

Looks like it stands! WOw!

[pescalita]

I'm picturing Roberts rocking himself in a corner mumbling at people trying to digest his opinion - that took months to write - in 30 seconds and report their findings to the nation as fact.

[Black Lavender]

looks like cnn finally fixed it, way to fuck up big time!

[BettyBookWorm]

This is awesome!

[Deleted]

Quick someone else post the Amy Howe quote!!!!

[Mrs.Beagle]

Roberts? Is anyone else surprised?

[eclaires]

I know it's naive, but I always see the Justices as legal scholars and not partisan people.

I like that Roberts swung left - it shows me that he cares about the constitution and the law, not so much politics. I LOVE when that happens. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy even if I disagree or something, lol.

[pixy0stix]

I know we're all excited, but can someone please explain the "upheld as a tax" thing?

[Kristinmo]

Jun 28, 2012 9:18:32 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 28, 2012 9:17:21 GMT -5 @mrsbecky07 said:

CNN screwed up and I'm assuming other sources (HuffPo for example) got their initial reports from CNN hence the spreading confusion.

This is awesome. I wonder where CNN got their source from and who will be fired.

I'm thinking they just read the part about not being upheld under the commerce clause but didn't get to it being upheld as a tax

[2curlydogs]

Amy Howe:
The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.

[copzgirl1171]

Amy Howe: The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.

[pugz]

I can't wait to see the fun on Daily Show tonight.

[niemand88f]

Jun 28, 2012 9:19:42 GMT -5 eclaires said:

I know it's naive, but I always see the Justices as legal scholars and not partisan people.

I like that Roberts swung left - it shows me that he cares about the constitution and the law, not so much politics. I LOVE when that happens. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy even if I disagree or something, lol.

I know, it's pretty cool

[suzyp]

I think Roberts looked at it the way he should as the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court should - and not into the politics of the law - but what the job of the Supreme Court is to do.

But I am probably naive here.

[Deleted]

Jun 28, 2012 9:18:04 GMT -5 @bunnybean said:

I am shocked. Seriously, Roberts?

You should have listened to me last night :-)

I'm on a giddy high :-)

[niemand88f]

Amy Howe:
On the Medicaid issue, a majority of the Court holds that the Medicaid expansion is constitutional but that it w/b unconstitutional for the federal government to withhold Medicaid funds for non-compliance with the expansion provisions

[eclaires]

Feel free to correct this very basic explanation:

- commerce clause - a way Congress has the power to regulate various things, like the mandate.
- taxing - also a power Congress has per the Constitution

Mandate is not constitutional under their commerce clause power, but it is constitutional under their power to tax.

[pescalita]

Jun 28, 2012 9:19:42 GMT -5 eclaires said:

I know it's naive, but I always see the Justices as legal scholars and not partisan people.

I like that Roberts swung left - it shows me that he cares about the constitution and the law, not so much politics. I LOVE when that happens. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy even if I disagree or something, lol.

This. This was a good day for a non-partisan judiciary.

[secretlyevil]

Amy Howe:
The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.
10:21

Tom:
We do not have the opinion.
10:21

Amy Howe:
On the Medicaid issue, a majority of the Court holds that the Medicaid expansion is constitutional but that it w/b unconstitutional for the federal government to withhold Medicaid funds for non-compliance with the expansion provisions.

[ttt]

Fox News is reporting BREAKING: the Supreme Court is about to rule on Obamacare!!!

lolol

[niemand88f]

Lyle:
The key comment on salvaging the Medicaid expansion is this (from Roberts): "Nothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care, and requiring that states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on their use. What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding." (p. 55)

[suzyp]

Jun 28, 2012 9:21:29 GMT -5 niemand88f said:

Jun 28, 2012 9:19:42 GMT -5 eclaires said:

I know it's naive, but I always see the Justices as legal scholars and not partisan people.

I like that Roberts swung left - it shows me that he cares about the constitution and the law, not so much politics. I LOVE when that happens. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy even if I disagree or something, lol.

I know, it's pretty cool

I agree. And it's why I think Scalia acted inappropriately on Monday.