Post by lyssbobiss, Command, B613 on Jun 15, 2014 12:49:24 GMT -5
What the bloody fuck? We don't want to have to be around homeless people, so let's jump immediately to spikes? No. Not at all. And if you think this is an effective and humane solution, I'm going to side eye you hard and then write your name down so I can remember to never take your opinion seriously again.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
Yeah, no one is saying they're all good with the homeless just lounging about in front of their houses and businesses. But let's not pretend that laying down spike strips is the only way to deal with the problem.
We'll, it works a lot better than what has been done so far.
How many posters would be happy with a homeless person sleeping on the sidewalk in front of their home?
BTDT Had no problem with it though I certainly wished he had better options. most mornings I'd offer him a nutrigrain bar/granola bar/muffin whatever I was having that morning that I could throw in my purse.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
I mean, just as long as they're not in front of your house?
Wow.
smh
I did not say that the spikes were a good idea.
I am surprised people here would be cool with homeless people setting up shop outside their homes.
When it was me, I was not driving anyone away, but I sure wasn't amused by it. Yes, to a certain extent people pay a price to be shielded from reality.
Yeah, no one is saying they're all good with the homeless just lounging about in front of their houses and businesses. But let's not pretend that laying down spike strips is the only way to deal with the problem.
We'll, it works a lot better than what has been done so far.
I know, lets just make it legal to use them for target practice for the Good Guys with Guns.
Fuck I hope you don't claim to be a caring human being.
What do think the best way to address this issue is?
There is no best way. It's a serious of programs and changes we have to make as a society to provide services to the homeless and to people who are at risk of homelessness. For starters, this idea that a registry will make sex offenders behave or keep children from being molested needs to fucking end. Two, we need better services for the mentally ill. Three, we need homeless shelters to be safer so people feel more comfortable using them in addition to providing more services to help people get jobs. The low income housing situation in this country needs to be addresses. Drug and alcohol counseling needs to be more widely available and not just for people who can swipe their credit card.
If you don't want the homeless camped outside of your door, you need a place for them to go and incentive for them to stay as well as resources to help them move up and on.
Well, we wouldn't want to have to explain it to the children, would we?
That has got to be the most bullshit excuse in all of humanity. Can't have gay folks holding hands because how would we explain it to the children? Can't let the homeless sit outside of the gated community because how would we explain it to the children?
So far, the gay parents conversation was one of the easiest we've had.
DD: did you know so-and-so doesn't have a mommy?!?! Me: I did! He has two daddies. DD: Why? Me: there are a lot of different types of families. Some have a mommy and a daddy. Some have two daddies. Some have two mommies. Some have just one mommy or one daddy.
DD: oh. Can I have a snack?
I was expecting more considering the multi-day around and around conversation we had about why some men have long hair.
**I realize the conversation will likely come up again some day, but seriously. I don't get what is so hard about it.
But if you explain it like that your child might assume being gay is normal and not at all shameful or sinful. Obviously you must have missed a few key parts in your explanation.
What do think the best way to address this issue is?
There is no best way. It's a serious of programs and changes we have to make as a society to provide services to the homeless and to people who are at risk of homelessness. For starters, this idea that a registry will make sex offenders behave or keep children from being molested needs to fucking end. Two, we need better services for the mentally ill. Three, we need homeless shelters to be safer so people feel more comfortable using them in addition to providing more services to help people get jobs. The low income housing situation in this country needs to be addresses. Drug and alcohol counseling needs to be more widely available and not just for people who can swipe their credit card.
If you don't want the homeless camped outside of your door, you need a place for them to go and incentive for them to stay as well as resources to help them move up and on.
I agree with all of this, but, and this is a serious question, how is Tesco supposed to do any of those things? Those sound like things for the government to address, so why are people protesting Tesco instead of the government? If Tesco put up a "no loitering" sign and hired a 24 hr security guard to keep people from sleeping and hanging out there, would that also be wrong? Do business not have the right to say what they are ok with happening on their property?
There is no best way. It's a serious of programs and changes we have to make as a society to provide services to the homeless and to people who are at risk of homelessness. For starters, this idea that a registry will make sex offenders behave or keep children from being molested needs to fucking end. Two, we need better services for the mentally ill. Three, we need homeless shelters to be safer so people feel more comfortable using them in addition to providing more services to help people get jobs. The low income housing situation in this country needs to be addresses. Drug and alcohol counseling needs to be more widely available and not just for people who can swipe their credit card.
If you don't want the homeless camped outside of your door, you need a place for them to go and incentive for them to stay as well as resources to help them move up and on.
I agree with all of this, but, and this is a serious question, how is Tesco supposed to do any of those things? Those sound like things for the government to address, so why are people protesting Tesco instead of the government? If Tesco put up a "no loitering" sign and hired a 24 hr security guard to keep people from sleeping and hanging out there, would that also be wrong? Do business not have the right to say what they are ok with happening on their property?
A human can take pitty whereas a spike is a spike. A human may offer hope or help but a spike never will.
I mean, just as long as they're not in front of your house?
Wow.
smh
I did not say that the spikes were a good idea.
I am surprised people here would be cool with homeless people setting up shop outside their homes.
When it was me, I was not driving anyone away, but I sure wasn't amused by it.
Yes, to a certain extent people pay a price to be shielded from reality.
And a huge LOL that you think $200k is that price.
I paid $250k for my house, in a not even remotely HCOL area. I've had homeless people sleeping on my corner and there is subsidized housing across the street from me. I'd rather live in the neighborhood with these people than you, to be honest.
I mean, just as long as they're not in front of your house?
Wow.
smh
I did not say that the spikes were a good idea.
I am surprised people here would be cool with homeless people setting up shop outside their homes.
When it was me, I was not driving anyone away, but I sure wasn't amused by it.
Yes, to a certain extent people pay a price to be shielded from reality.
Do I think people love it? No. But it is what it is. I sure as hell feel worse for the homeless guy out front than for myself. Like I said earlier, of course I would prefer no homeless people. But when its thrown in our face in a post about spikes....like we would feel differently if we weren't so sheltered, people are going to respond. (not you btw)
A security guard can offer information on local shelters. A security guard can call the cops who can do something similarly. Spike strips are dehumanizing.
A security guard can offer information on local shelters. A security guard can call the cops who can do something similarly.Spike strips are dehumanizing.
Many homeless folks know where the shelters are located.
Many of the homeless shelters are dehumanizing and unsafe. Maybe this needs to be fixed.
Your response was just as pointless as what I said. Except yours was needlessly bitchy.
And yet decidedly less bitchy than laying down spike strips.
I can think of a million things people already know about how to help themselves that still doesn't justify such inhumane treatment. What about tazing prostitutes? What means could we use to remind drug abusers that we don't want them in our society and wish their would go away?
Because some building owners install spikes is not an indictment against the whole of Christianity.
Martyr alert!!
It is not an indictment of Christianity but it is certainly an indictment of a nation that claims to be Christian.
Indeed. I consider myself a Christian but I don't bristle at that remark because it's true. We consider ourselves a Christian nation and yet there isn't much to mark us as one aside from the proliferation of churches on some street corners. I mean hell, as much as some Christians cry about the government doing the work churches should be doing, we all know churches just aren't doing enough as a whole to address the problems of this country.
I would much rather explain to my children why some people have no other place to pee other than in a Gatorade bottle, what a condom is, and how to stay safe around strangers than why I have installed human snaring spikes outside my home.
FWIW I live in an upper middle class neighborhood and a sex offender lives across the street and a house down. Sex offenders are everywhere ... and metal spikes will not keep them away. Also just because someone is homeless doesn't mean they are dangerous.
I have had homeless people sleeping around other more urban homes I have owned or rented and I never though of my homes value or of a child seeing them and being traumatized. Honestly ... this thread has had me a little more pearl clutchy than finding out that a lot of people on here go comando.