I love the west coast so much. You can buy booze - any variety - in virtually any market on any day of the week at any time of day. Even with a kid in tow. **maybe not Oregon though?**
I wonder if our rates of alcohol related deaths are any different than in states with blue laws?
This is how it is in Ohioand I assume much of the rest of the Midwest. It didn't occur to me that you might not be able to buy liquor at a grocery store until I moved to NY.
How does this work in the 3/5 of states where it is perfectly legal for a parent to serve alcohol to their minor child?
Tx is one of those, but also I believe it's a state req that the whole party is carded for grocery sales. Don't know I it's a difference of sales vs serving or if stores are allowed to sell to a parent.
And how old does your kid (or wife/husband) have to look to be considered an under-aged drinking threat? If you buy a bottle of wine with other groceries and 3-year old, are you going to be stopped? 8-year old? 12-year old?
Good question. I'm a SAHM with a husband that travels the majority of the year. I almost always have to have my kids with me. I don't even drink much but I'd be pissed if they denied me buying some wine coolers because I have a pre-schooler and an infant with me.
How does this work in the 3/5 of states where it is perfectly legal for a parent to serve alcohol to their minor child?
Tx is one of those, but also I believe it's a state req that the whole party is carded for grocery sales. Don't know I it's a difference of sales vs serving or if stores are allowed to sell to a parent.
yeah... so if H and I are having dinner and I want a beer with my burger, I can't have it because there are kids at my table?
Post by RoxMonster on Jul 28, 2014 19:42:37 GMT -5
IDK this seems weird to me. I could see this happening at an actual, stand-alone liquor store, or even a grocery store that has their liquor section enclosed with a separate entrance and register. All the liquor stores around here have signs in the door saying "You must be 21 to enter unless accompanied by a parent." So, even in our actual liquor stores, they would have been OK with this dad and his daughter. And I have no problem with even saying you HAVE to be 21, period, to enter a liquor store.
But a regular grocery store that happens to sell liquor? I think it's weird. So parents can never purchase alcohol while grocery shopping unless they leave their kids at home?
I also agree this doesn't really stop or even hamper underage drinking. After finding out this policy, the underagers can just wait in the car or wait outside the store and then consume the liquor.
Tx is one of those, but also I believe it's a state req that the whole party is carded for grocery sales. Don't know I it's a difference of sales vs serving or if stores are allowed to sell to a parent.
yeah... so if H and I are having dinner and I want a beer with my burger, I can't have it because there are kids at my table?
that would get a big side eye from me.
Seriously. We live in a state where minors can only drink for religious (so communion/bar mitzvah/etc) and educational (whatever the Hell that is) purposes but most of the breweries and wine shops around here have kids play areas. If an establishment refused to sell to me because my child was present I can pretty much guarenteed I would not be going there again.
Post by bitsandpieces on Jul 28, 2014 19:48:54 GMT -5
I was once refused a purchase while buying cough medicine with my husband. I felt like death and didn't have my ID on me since he was paying (and I was obviously sick, practically in pajamas in the grocery store). I get that they track the sale of those medications since they can be used to make meth, but really? My nose was running and my face was flushed from my fever; I looked ill, but not like a meth-head. You can't throw me a bone and allow my also of age husband to purchase me medication to help me feel better? Luckily my ID was in the card, so I just had to run out and get it.
However, this whole experience made me think. It is not illegal for anyone of any age to take cough medicine, they only track the purchasing. If I had been underage and with my spouse (or a teenager with my parent) would they still card me? What's the point?
And FTR, I live in the southwest and our liquor laws are pretty much the same as Cali - you can buy booze at any store, any day of the week.
How does this work in the 3/5 of states where it is perfectly legal for a parent to serve alcohol to their minor child?
I guess nothing. Because I've been in a liquor store in WI as a underage teen with a parent and I didn't get asked to show my ID. And I'm fairly young so not that long ago. And as an adult now with my mom here I don't get carded at the grocery store.
In Chicago I had to have my ID even if I wasn't the one paying.
This happened to two of my coworkers! One wanted to buy wine coolers but the other didn't bring her wallet. Funniest part is they are both like late 30s.
Ames is a college town. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
Probably. I know the grocery store in my college town had a policy of carding everyone in a group (although my roommate had a beard, and I never got carded when shopping with him, LOL). But I can't imagine them enforcing said policy when one member of the group is obviously the other's kid.
Wegmans does this too. They once wouldn't let me by when I was with DH and he didn't have his ID. He was 34 at the time.
But would they do that if you had your kid with you? She's obviously underage, but I can't imagine they wouldn't sell to you just because your young child is with you.
Post by cattledogkisses on Jul 28, 2014 21:31:31 GMT -5
This is the norm where I'm from. They won't sell to you if you're with someone who's underage, even if that person is your child.
Obviously there's a cutoff somewhere that they're not carding small children, but if you have a teenager or older you can be refused. It happened to my mom several times before my sister turned 21.
Tx is one of those, but also I believe it's a state req that the whole party is carded for grocery sales. Don't know I it's a difference of sales vs serving or if stores are allowed to sell to a parent.
yeah... so if H and I are having dinner and I want a beer with my burger, I can't have it because there are kids at my table?
that would get a big side eye from me.
I know being served at a table with minors isn't an issue. I guess because they can easily control that the person they card and served is the one drinking it. Can't do that with a carry out sale.
Whaaaaat? My favorite is when I run into the director of my daycare at the store on Friday night. We each have our 2-year-olds in tow. And also 2 bottles if wine.
I love the west coast so much. You can buy booze - any variety - in virtually any market on any day of the week at any time of day. Even with a kid in tow. **maybe not Oregon though?**
I wonder if our rates of alcohol related deaths are any different than in states with blue laws?
This is how it is in Ohioand I assume much of the rest of the Midwest. It didn't occur to me that you might not be able to buy liquor at a grocery store until I moved to NY.
I was in Pittsburgh for a wedding last weekend. Most of us were in town from Ohio and wanted to keep partying after the reception. We were like "oh we'll just pick up some beer and take it to the hotel!" Pittsburgh was like "HAHA NOPE".
I had to find a bar that was still open. I walked in and said "I'm from Ohio and I need to buy beer for many people and take it away from here." You can only buy 2 6-packs at a time, apparently. So I made 3 trips in this shady bar in my bridesmaid dress to get enough beer for everyone.
I love the west coast so much. You can buy booze - any variety - in virtually any market on any day of the week at any time of day. Even with a kid in tow. **maybe not Oregon though?**
I wonder if our rates of alcohol related deaths are any different than in states with blue laws?
This is where I'm at. YOU WANT ME TO GO OUT OF MY WAY TO BUY BOOZE?!?! WHAT IS THE POINT OF COSTCO?!?!
Post by LoveTrains on Jul 28, 2014 23:31:54 GMT -5
We can't even have happy hour up here. Stupid puritanical liquor laws.
It was only in 2003 or 2004 that they changed the law to allow beer/wine/liquor sales on Sundays year round in Mass. It used to be only allowed between thanksgiving and New Years. Because apparently the holidays call for drinking.
I love the west coast so much. You can buy booze - any variety - in virtually any market on any day of the week at any time of day. Even with a kid in tow. **maybe not Oregon though?**
I wonder if our rates of alcohol related deaths are any different than in states with blue laws?
Correct; Oregon still has state-run liquor stores. WA did, too, until the 2012 election, right?
I love the west coast so much. You can buy booze - any variety - in virtually any market on any day of the week at any time of day. Even with a kid in tow. **maybe not Oregon though?**
I wonder if our rates of alcohol related deaths are any different than in states with blue laws?
Correct; Oregon still has state-run liquor stores. WA did, too, until the 2012 election, right?
Yep. But beer and wine in markets. Now it's everything everywhere allthetime land!
So stupid. Everyone knows it's the recently turned 21 year olds that but the booze for the underaged.
I regularly get carded when alone, but never with h. He's actually younger than I, but either he looks old enough or the relationship makes us seem older.
I love the west coast so much. You can buy booze - any variety - in virtually any market on any day of the week at any time of day. Even with a kid in tow. **maybe not Oregon though?**
I wonder if our rates of alcohol related deaths are any different than in states with blue laws?
This is how it is in Ohioand I assume much of the rest of the Midwest. It didn't occur to me that you might not be able to buy liquor at a grocery store until I moved to NY.
You can even buy alcohol in Ohio on Sunday. After 12 hours of driving through the season's first snowpocalypse, I stopped 5 miles short of the Ohio border and couldn't buy alcohol. I would have paid a hefty amount for delivery, but I want getting back in my damn car.
Post by lasagnasshole on Jul 29, 2014 5:36:40 GMT -5
Wisconsin is like a giant alcohol free for all. Hard liquor at the grocery store? SURE! Beer at the zoo! WHAT COULD GO WRONG WITH BIG CATS AND DRUNK PEOPLE? Bars across the street from elementary schools? WHY THE HELL NOT?
My two months in VA were such a shock. State owned liquor stores with CRAZY prices. Costco built its DC store about 100 yards from the Maryland border. Watching people who've never seen alcohol prices so reasonable is amazing. I once saw a guy guy ing 8 handles of gin and a loaf of bread.