Watched it, got all teary at the end. I like Capaldi; I think he's going to be fun. I also loved all of the little in-jokes - "I miss the round things."
I'm pleased to have an older Doctor again. I loved Tennant and Smith but the first Doctor I saw all the (available) episodes of was actually Hartnell. I LOVED the "not your boyfriend" bit. Thank God they acknowledged the annoyance of that flirtation that was happening between Eleven and Clara and that they are NOT going to continue that nonsense. They need to refine his grumpiness though because to me, several times it came across as just plain mean and nasty at Clara when I don't think he needs to be or should be quite that harsh. And I cracked up at the eyebrow bits XD
I'm not sure how I feel about the Eleven phone call, but I did feel really touched when Twelve showed a little bit of vulnerability there and kind of begged her to see him in the new face.
We had a pie plate filled with lemon pudding and we scooped it up with lady fingers as our snack.
Post by scribellesam on Aug 24, 2014 23:53:39 GMT -5
I turned to H about halfway through and said, "The new Doctor is kind of an asshole." But I think he'll grow on me. H isn't too sure; he's only ever watched Eleven so it's his first Doctor change. New Doctors get at least the first half a season to prove themselves, IMO. But this was a promising start.
I love any episode with Vastra, Jenny, and Strax though!
I turned to H about halfway through and said, "The new Doctor is kind of an asshole." But I think he'll grow on me. H isn't too sure; he's only ever watched Eleven so it's his first Doctor change. New Doctors get at least the first half a season to prove themselves, IMO. But this was a promising start.
I love any episode with Vastra, Jenny, and Strax though!
DH is totally convinced that he won't like 12.
He is already growing on me but I have to be honest, the Tiggeresque qualities of 11 were the ones I liked least. I am loving this darker, less friendly Doctor. I mean, dude is 2000 years old. All of his friends and family are dead/unavailable to him. I think I would be angry and maybe a bit of an asshole too.
And I am still not a Clara fan. (Donna Noble all the way!!!) I loved when Strax hit her with the paper. Loved it.
I loved Matt Smith, but I think this doctor will grow on me. I do like Clara, but I feel like there's so much more they could have done with her character.
I'm hoping they bring River Song back; I'd be interested to see how that relationship would work.
I liked him, my H who is just a casual DW watcher liked him better than Smith. Especially at the end when he was talking to half-face. I'm really looking forward to this season. I'm interested to find out why he chose this "face" and I'm curious about Missy. Is she the Master?
Post by doctordonna on Aug 25, 2014 14:17:49 GMT -5
I really liked this episode. I think Peter Capaldi is going to be a great doctor.
I still don't like Clara and her response to the regeneration made me almost hate her. I would be really really glad if that character ended her run with the Christmas episode.
I really liked this episode. I think Peter Capaldi is going to be a great doctor.
I still don't like Clara and her response to the regeneration made me almost hate her. I would be really really glad if that character ended her run with the Christmas episode.
YES! THIS! This is why I still don't like Clara. I hated her response, but I'm still trying to keep an open mind to her. My friend says I don't like her because I really liked Amy and Rory.
Also @slayerkate, that is an interesting theory. And I've always liked the idea of actually seeing someone change from male to female from a regeneration.
I really liked this episode. I think Peter Capaldi is going to be a great doctor.
I still don't like Clara and her response to the regeneration made me almost hate her. I would be really really glad if that character ended her run with the Christmas episode.
YES! THIS! This is why I still don't like Clara. I hated her response, but I'm still trying to keep an open mind to her. My friend says I don't like her because I really liked Amy and Rory.
Also @slayerkate, that is an interesting theory. And I've always liked the idea of actually seeing someone change from male to female from a regeneration.
I gave her a full season to get used to her shenanigans and I just couldn't. I felt like Clara got one look at the doctor and thought, "But he's not cuuuuuuuuute. How am I supposed to crush on someone old with wrinkles?"
Post by scribellesam on Aug 25, 2014 16:09:42 GMT -5
Add me to the group that is entirely unimpressed with Clara. She was so fantastic in "Asylum of the Daleks" and it's been all downhill from there. Amy and Rory are my favorite Companions ever though so maybe the juxtaposition ruined her for me?
I was a Ten girl and while Matt Smith won me over pretty quickly and I teared when I realized he was on Trensalore, I was ok with his leaving and ready to see a new Doctor and a new personality. I'm excited for Capaldi who has elements of Harntell, which I like. (I initially had problems going back and watching the original episodes due to the misogyny, casual sexism of the time, and how Hartnell was always so rude, but he softened as time went by and I was sad when he left.) I've gone back and forth on how I feel about Clara, but I feel like the writers are not being consistent with her character either! I like her when she's more sassy and less stupid-moony but I really didn't like how she was written in this episode at all. As time goes on, I'm starting to decide I really don't like that phone call from Eleven. It felt out of place to me, and like too much pandering to the fangirls who only accept a young and cute/hot Doctor.
Add me to the group that is entirely unimpressed with Clara. She was so fantastic in "Asylum of the Daleks" and it's been all downhill from there. Amy and Rory are my favorite Companions ever though so maybe the juxtaposition ruined her for me?
The writing has been horribly inconsistent with her character. And then they just got lazy again and decided to have her and Eleven do this flirtation thing and it just spiralled out. The more moony they made her, the less intelligent and witty and fiery. They were much more consistent with Amy & Rory (and Donna), which is why the juxtaposition makes it that much harder.
I am also on the Clara hating bandwagon. She says "I'm the impossible girl" like she's too good for things. I don't know. I'll be excited to see someone new.
Also, that moment where she is waiting for him to grab her hand when she's facing that half-face dude reminded me SO much of "Rose," which was Ecclestons first episode.
I was a Ten girl and while Matt Smith won me over pretty quickly and I teared when I realized he was on Trensalore, I was ok with his leaving and ready to see a new Doctor and a new personality. I'm excited for Capaldi who has elements of Harntell, which I like. (I initially had problems going back and watching the original episodes due to the misogyny, casual sexism of the time, and how Hartnell was always so rude, but he softened as time went by and I was sad when he left.) I've gone back and forth on how I feel about Clara, but I feel like the writers are not being consistent with her character either! I like her when she's more sassy and less stupid-moony but I really didn't like how she was written in this episode at all. As time goes on, I'm starting to decide I really don't like that phone call from Eleven. It felt out of place to me, and like too much pandering to the fangirls who only accept a young and cute/hot Doctor.
Exactly this.
I also felt like it was Moffat trying to recreate the success he had with Sherlock S3:E1. In that one, it wasn't pandering to the fandom as much as giving a wink-wink-nudge-nudge to the insane theories circulating on tumblr.
Post by CheshireGrin on Aug 25, 2014 23:38:26 GMT -5
I am totally sold on Capaldi! He's awesome and I love him already. I'm ready for an older crotchety doctor. (Maybe because I'm older and crotchety? LOL)
The only part of the episode that I hated was the phone call from Matt Smith. I never liked him much anyway (although he did finally start to grow on me a bit) but that just felt weird and out of place to me. And then I kept hoping that maybe the phone call was just a ruse to get her out of the TARDIS so Eleven could say his goodbye to her and she would go on with her life and the Doctor would fly off alone. THAT's how I would have written it.
I am also on the Clara hating bandwagon. She says "I'm the impossible girl" like she's too good for things. I don't know. I'll be excited to see someone new.
Also, that moment where she is waiting for him to grab her hand when she's facing that half-face dude reminded me SO much of "Rose," which was Ecclestons first episode.
YES! Enough already! The Doctor has had dozens of companions and you are just one more! You're nothing special! UGH! I didn't always hate Clara the way a lot of people seemed to; I actually really liked her in the beginning. But now I'm done with her.
I did love that moment where he grabbed her hand though, and yes, I thought of Eccleston and Rose as well. "Run!"
I am also on the Clara hating bandwagon. She says "I'm the impossible girl" like she's too good for things. I don't know. I'll be excited to see someone new.
Also, that moment where she is waiting for him to grab her hand when she's facing that half-face dude reminded me SO much of "Rose," which was Ecclestons first episode.
YES! Enough already! The Doctor has had dozens of companions and you are just one more! You're nothing special! UGH! I didn't always hate Clara the way a lot of people seemed to; I actually really liked her in the beginning. But now I'm done with her.
I did love that moment where he grabbed her hand though, and yes, I thought of Eccleston and Rose as well. "Run!"
Yep, I liked her in her Dalek/Souffle girl role. As a companion? Not so much.