Good for you. I just didn't take the class because I heard all they talked about was Breastfeeding. Who did you complain to? Maybe public health? I feel like there needs to be a campaign of all the ways to feed your baby not just one way and the rest of you are subpar so we won't even help you.
They handed out a questionnaire after the class which my husband and I filled out, as did another couple we were with. We were very clear on our feelings about the bias in the class. It so happened that I had a home visit once DD was born and lo and behold, the nurse was the same one who had run the class. I was very clear to her my feelings but she said it was directions from the region that they push bfing so much because of the cost savings on public health.
Other gems from the class include a whole segment on the importance of a father figure ... Yep the single mom in the class ran out crying. The nurse also said we should never use wipes, only warm washcloths because of the chemicals. It was definitely not the neutral class I expected from the gov.
What's not neutral about the wipes suggestion? Warm washcloths are actually a lot cheaper. Honest question. I don't get why that suggestion is as biased as the others.
since we're being told we're over thinking I thought I'd go all the way and actually look it up. Support- give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act. So I doubt many people support it at all. ;-p
Lies!
Okay, not really, but that is only one of the meanings.
lol.
Give approval, comfort or encouragement to.
HAPPY?
when starry made the poll I'm guessing she meant more approval or encouragement.
But that's not what the question asks. The question is not worded to ask if one is judgemental. It asks whether you "support" it. I'm not even sure what that means. Do I think it's a good idea? vs Would I personally make that choice? vs Am I going to come out with torches?
since we're being told we're over thinking I thought I'd go all the way and actually look it up. Support- give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act. So I doubt many people support it at all. ;-p
I give away my formula coupon/check things. I'm not using them.
since we're being told we're over thinking I thought I'd go all the way and actually look it up. Support- give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act. So I doubt many people support it at all. ;-p
Wait, words have... meanings? The antonym of support is still "judge," right?
shut your over intellectual pie hole. Who cares if words have meaning? Stop over analyzing!
the antonym of that definition is oppose. The ant. of the definition I gave tamb says neglect, abandon.
They handed out a questionnaire after the class which my husband and I filled out, as did another couple we were with. We were very clear on our feelings about the bias in the class. It so happened that I had a home visit once DD was born and lo and behold, the nurse was the same one who had run the class. I was very clear to her my feelings but she said it was directions from the region that they push bfing so much because of the cost savings on public health.
Other gems from the class include a whole segment on the importance of a father figure ... Yep the single mom in the class ran out crying. The nurse also said we should never use wipes, only warm washcloths because of the chemicals. It was definitely not the neutral class I expected from the gov.
What's not neutral about the wipes suggestion? Warm washcloths are actually a lot cheaper. Honest question. I don't get why that suggestion is as biased as the others.
The wipes thing itself was more the delivery. I just added that as it was another part of t class that was a little bit weird. Nothing biased really. I actually use washcloths myself. Basically we were doing an exercise about how to change a diaper. She said ok what's the first step after we take the dirty diaper off? A girl put her hand up and said "use a wipe to clean up? The teacher/nurse was all " well if you want to put chemicals on your baby, sure go ahead. ". Made the woman feel stupid in front of the class and also as though if you use wipes you are doing something "wrong". Remember we were all first timers, nervous and attending the class to learn how to look after our babies.
Most people I know use wipes. Washcloths could have been presented as a great option without the judgement.
What's not neutral about the wipes suggestion? Warm washcloths are actually a lot cheaper. Honest question. I don't get why that suggestion is as biased as the others.
The wipes thing itself was more the delivery. I just added that as it was another part of t class that was a little bit weird. Nothing biased really. I actually use washcloths myself. Basically we were doing an exercise about how to change a diaper. She said ok what's the first step after we take the dirty diaper off? A girl put her hand up and said "use a wipe to clean up? The teacher/nurse was all " well if you want to put chemicals on your baby, sure go ahead. ". Made the woman feel stupid in front of the class and also as though if you use wipes you are doing something "wrong". Remember we were all first timers, nervous and attending the class to learn how to look after our babies.
Most people I know use wipes. Washcloths could have been presented as a great option without the judgement.
And many people who use daycare aren't able to have wet washcloths be used on their babies butts all the time. Not to mention, that is a huge laundry issue and there are many people who don't have their own washer/dryer, so adding a bunch of poopy washcloths to their daily laundry would be a problem.
And I don't know, I feel like these boards are incredibly BF friendly, to where many of us who FF have been chastised for even suggesting formula to someone struggling with BFing.
That's okay because I think overanalyzing the question is silly.
This is why I like you. (Well that and that you were so encouraging when I had my FTT baby.)
Lol, I think the whole FF vs. BF as a "mommy war" (and all the "mommy wars") are just dumb so I can't get caught up in literal meanings. I just can't take them seriously.
The wipes thing itself was more the delivery. I just added that as it was another part of t class that was a little bit weird. Nothing biased really. I actually use washcloths myself. Basically we were doing an exercise about how to change a diaper. She said ok what's the first step after we take the dirty diaper off? A girl put her hand up and said "use a wipe to clean up? The teacher/nurse was all " well if you want to put chemicals on your baby, sure go ahead. ". Made the woman feel stupid in front of the class and also as though if you use wipes you are doing something "wrong". Remember we were all first timers, nervous and attending the class to learn how to look after our babies.
Most people I know use wipes. Washcloths could have been presented as a great option without the judgement.
And many people who use daycare aren't able to have wet washcloths be used on their babies butts all the time. Not to mention, that is a huge laundry issue and there are many people who don't have their own washer/dryer, so adding a bunch of poopy washcloths to their daily laundry would be a problem.
And I don't know, I feel like these boards are incredibly BF friendly, to where many of us who FF have been chastised for even suggesting formula to someone struggling with BFing.
I think people tend notice what they're sensitive to. Since I've done it all I think i notice comments on both sides. Overall the board is very supportive of both. And when directly asked most would say they are supportive no matter what. But not everyone is. It comes out in small, often indirect comments. It's not an overt sentiment but it's there. And it makes sense. If you care so little about bfing that you never even attempt it, it's only natural that you might think a woman who is struggling mightily w/bfing is wasting her time. and I honestly don't see anything wrong with that.
Post by scribellesam on Oct 31, 2014 15:09:56 GMT -5
I've been trying to come up with something to contribute for the last 9 pages but I've got nothing.
The comparison I've been making in my head is cloth diapering. I have zero interest in CDing, it's just not for me. "But why wouldn't you just try it? It's so much better for the environment." Nope. I have zero interest. I get that FF vs BF is a much more emotionally fraught debate because reasons but I care about it about as much as I do cloth diapers vs disposables. Which is to say, very little.
I've been trying to come up with something to contribute for the last 9 pages but I've got nothing.
The comparison I've been making in my head is cloth diapering. I have zero interest in CDing, it's just not for me. "But why would you just try it? It's so much better for the environment." Nope. I have zero interest. I get that FF vs BF is a much more emotionally fraught debate because reasons but I care about it about as much as I do cloth diapers vs disposables. Which is to say, very little.
I did CD with H, I wish I hadn't. I regret the time spent elbow deep in shit water.
I judge myself for not admitting it was too much and just buying a pack of disposables. I practically cried tears of pure joy when H started preschool (2 year room) and they didn't allow CD.
I am way late to this but wanted to vote and haven't been on my computer all day. Voted yes. I fully support a person's right to do whatever they want with their own body. Even if the only reason is they do or don't want to. That's a perfectly fine reason IMO.
But….I will admit I have FEELINGS about breastfeeding and I'd be lying if I pretended I didn't sometimes wonder about others' situations (in my own head, of course). Before I got PG I was totally grossed out by the idea of BF and if you'd asked me at that point I would have said no way, just didn't want to do it. Somewhere along the way I changed my mind and decided to try it, and then it was REALLY hard for a while, but it had become important to me so we stuck with it, and now I love it. BFing DD is often my favorite part my day and I truly would have never thought that possible a year ago. Anyway…I would never ever say anything to anyone, not even my best friends, unless they explicitly asked for my opinion, but I do silently have Green Eggs and Ham thoughts when someone who has never BF says she doesn't want to just because.
I have nothing against FF at all though. I'm just found myself an unexpected fan of BFing and that colors my view. But that's only MY view and MY experience and I support people feeding their kids however they choose.
They do sell disposable washcloths. Our hospital used them which is where we picked up on the idea otherwise I wouldn't have known. 500 for $23 on Amazon. I use one as the first wipe to clean the majority of the poop and then usually follow up with the chemicals.
I was judged more for breast feeding than anyone I know was judged for using formula. Nobody on H's side of the family has B/f a baby.
Same. H's mom and sister (and a lot of his family) are really, really weird about BF. It was annoying. I wasn't weird about their FF!
I haven't been back on since my original comment, so I have no clue where this thread has gone in 9 pages. My sil had her children before I had mine and she FF both of them. When I had my DD my mil would repeatedly tell me how selfish it is of me to bf because then nobody
else could feed the baby. She was able to feed my niece and nephew from the day they were born and she felt it was a huge bonding time for her. Even though I would let her burp DD and hold her as soon as I was done nursing I would still get snide comments until I told her under
no uncertain terms that this is how I am feeding the baby, the end. They didn't want my 6 year old nephew knowing anything about breast feeding and ushered him out of the hospital room as soon as I about to nurse my couple hour old baby with blanket over my chest. They
always made it clear that I needed to leave the room if I needed to the baby when nephew was around. It made the whole situation a million times more complicated and stressful than it needed to be. I'm not going to be as accommodating this next time around.
Same. H's mom and sister (and a lot of his family) are really, really weird about BF. It was annoying. I wasn't weird about their FF!
I haven't been back on since my original comment, so I have no clue where this thread has gone in 9 pages. My sil had her children before I had mine and she FF both of them. When I had my DD my mil would repeatedly tell me how selfish it is of me to bf because then nobody
else could feed the baby. She was able to feed my niece and nephew from the day they were born and she felt it was a huge bonding time for her. Even though I would let her burp DD and hold her as soon as I was done nursing I would still get snide comments until I told her under
no uncertain terms that this is how I am feeding the baby, the end. They didn't want my 6 year old nephew knowing anything about breast feeding and ushered him out of the hospital room as soon as I about to nurse my couple hour old baby with blanket over my chest. They
always made it clear that I needed to leave the room if I needed to the baby when nephew was around. It made the whole situation a million times more complicated and stressful than it needed to be. I'm not going to be as accommodating this next time around.
WTF. I just can't with this. I'm sorry your MIL treated you like that. YOU'RE selfish because of how you chose to feed YOUR baby? Seriously, where do people like this come from??