What? She LEFT her team to go with her husband RIGHT BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT!
FAMILY BEFORE GAME.
It wasn't about baseball. It was about not coddling Kit.
I'm right. Lol.
Now wait, did you watch the movie? Dottie was always coddling Kit! Dottie got Kit on the train! Dottie offered to trade herself to Racine--THEN SHE DROPPED THE BALL TOLEDO
And Kit knew it! "Here's our daughter Dottie...and here's our other daughter...Dottie's sister." (yes, I know this has been said, but I'm putting context lol. #invested
It wasn't about baseball. It was about not coddling Kit.
I'm right. Lol.
Now wait, did you watch the movie? Dottie was always coddling Kit! Dottie got Kit on the train! Dottie offered to trade herself to Racine--THEN SHE DROPPED THE BALL TOLEDO
And Kit knew it! "Here's our daughter Dottie...and here's our other daughter...Dottie's sister." (yes, I know this has been said, but I'm putting context lol. #invested
At the end she realized that Kit didn't need to be coddled anymore, and that she wanted to be treated as equal. Dropping the ball would have taken away any victory that Kit would have felt... because she would have known that Dottie did it on purpose. See this thread of littles that would know if their big did something like that for them.
If she did drop the ball, what a shit move. All Kit wanted to do was to have her moment in the sun... and she couldn't even do that. Her sister had to give it to her.
Now wait, did you watch the movie? Dottie was always coddling Kit! Dottie got Kit on the train! Dottie offered to trade herself to Racine--THEN SHE DROPPED THE BALL TOLEDO
And Kit knew it! "Here's our daughter Dottie...and here's our other daughter...Dottie's sister." (yes, I know this has been said, but I'm putting context lol. #invested
At the end she realized that Kit didn't need to be coddled anymore, and that she wanted to be treated as equal. Dropping the ball would have taken away any victory that Kit would have felt... because she would have known that Dottie did it on purpose. See this thread of littles that would know if their big did something like that for them.
I love you dearly, but what?--When did Dottie realize this exactly?
Now, FTR, I'm actually only playing around in here b/c it's fun, and honestly I'll concede either side, THUS switching sides and helping out your point a little bit with evidence:
Racine was playing better in the tournament than the Peaches and Kit being traded to Racine actually did what you argue. She became a better, stronger player once she wasn't under the (close, caring) eye of Dottie.
What I will NOT concede is that because of the little sisters in this post saying they would be able to "tell" if their big sister dropped the ball intentionally--it is so. That is patent nonsense--and I'm disappointed in your argument Pixy .
Why would she even come back if she wanted to let Kit win?!?!? WHYYYYY
Split-second decision? I don't believe for a second she came back to lose. But in the moment, she let it go.
Ugh no. You don't make a split second decision like that when you just did like a thousand things that show you really wanted to win. Like catching the damn ball 2 seconds before.
Isn't that the nature of a split-second decision, lol?
I am thinking of a split second decision being like you are waffling between two things for awhile and you make a split second decision to one or the other. I see this instance like over and over she's making decisions that say she wants to win then BAM. LOSE.
Post by DotAndBuzz on Mar 20, 2015 18:14:11 GMT -5
Of COURSE she dropped it on purpose. Split second decision.
I'm a pretty bitchy older sister. I'm blunt, and I'm pretty competitive when comparing myself to my sister (I told you I'm bitchy). And I can totally see a split second decision to drop the ball when push literally came to shove.
Dottie had decided to move on. Her decision to leave was a selfish one. She thought she was done w/ the league, but still had guilt about leaving them when they needed her the most. She went back out of a feeling of obligation (true, she loved the game, but I don't think that's why she went back - it was the big sister characteristic in her that drew her back), but in the end, she realized the league didn't mean as much to her as it did to Kit. So she made another selfish decision at the last second and gave the game to Kit, putting family ahead of team.
Why would she even come back if she wanted to let Kit win?!?!? WHYYYYY
Split-second decision? I don't believe for a second she came back to lose. But in the moment, she let it go.
. This is what I always thought. I always thought she let Kit win but it wasn't planned. Dottie was playing to win and was all set to beat Kit but in the last second saw a moment to let Kit have her "Rudy" moment.
That's why I had no problem thinking that Dottie let Kit win. Not that I ever believed that Dottie would plan on it. But that it was totally a last second, big sister thing to do. Kit cared more about the game than Dottie did
But now I can see how it's definitely possible that Kit legitimately had her moment in the sun and not that Dottie gave it to her.
But then there is Jimmy looking at Dottie like he knows. Old Jimmy would have called her out on purposely dropping the ball but new and improved Jimmy doesn't say anything.
Toledo has convinced me. I actually never had a thought that Dottie did it on purpose. She wouldn't. Her love didn't work that way. I would be disappointed if it did.
I'm here. Not that I was convinced, necessarily, but that I never thought about it. But the idea of her throwing the game just doesn't fit with the rest of the movie. Team toledo.
Okay, I just watched the scene, and I still think she dropped it on purpose! You can see in her facial expressions after she hits the ball and Kit is freaking out and then when she sees Kit in the dugout, then looking at her from behind the plate that she's having an internal conflict. I think she goes back and forth between wanting to win and wanting her sister to have that moment, and in the last minute she decides to let the ball go. I think if she really wanted to, she could have held it. And then the look on Jimmy's face right after was like he knew it too.
BUT I do see the other argument in the scene too. The way she seemed downright shocked that Kit even hit the ball, steeled herself for impact, and then looked so happy to see Kit happy - don't know if that sight would have been as heartwarming for her if Kit hadn't gotten there on her own merit.
was it during the final game that kit damn near had a nervous breakdown and started hyperventilating?!?!
such a wimp.
no wonder she needed dottie to throw the game in order to win.
Okay, I just watched the scene, and I still think she dropped it on purpose! You can see in her facial expressions after she hits the ball and Kit is freaking out and then when she sees Kit in the dugout, then looking at her from behind the plate that she's having an internal conflict. I think she goes back and forth between wanting to win and wanting her sister to have that moment, and in the last minute she decides to let the ball go. I think if she really wanted to, she could have held it. And then the look on Jimmy's face right after was like he knew it too.
BUT I do see the other argument in the scene too. The way she seemed downright shocked that Kit even hit the ball, steeled herself for impact, and then looked so happy to see Kit happy - don't know if that sight would have been as heartwarming for her if Kit hadn't gotten there on her own merit.
was it during the final game that kit damn near had a nervous breakdown and started hyperventilating?!?!
such a wimp.
no wonder she needed dottie to throw the game in order to win.
Oh, nah you didn't.
As Dottie said after the game, she wanted it more. Can you blame her for getting that emotional facing her sister on a rival team for them first time?
Post by themoneytree on Mar 20, 2015 22:42:19 GMT -5
I thought it was obvious that she threw the game, but the other argument is compelling. I'll need to rewatch and see if I can see it the other way. I always felt really bad for her team mates because they should have won.