Post by creamsiclechica on Apr 17, 2015 11:32:17 GMT -5
Well, I'm basically a socialist so you know I am for them.
Economic disparity is absolutely the main reason. It does create more of an issue to have financial expression than creative expression. And kids are cruel, moreso in a time of heightened social media involvement and technology exposure. I mean there's websites like People of Walmart that mock lower income adults, generally speaking. Magnify that type of mockery with adolescence and things like Instagram, tumblr, snapchat, etc, and there's many more platforms than ever to bully a person for their clothing.
It doesn't eliminate the problem, but it cuts off one more avenue to hell if you ask me.
Actually, I take it back. We don't have uniforms, but we have dress code.
You can wear any pants/skirts/shorts, etc except for athletic or sweat pants. And all shirts must have a collar. It actually allows for a lot of self expression but there are still guidelines.
Post by dixeedeluxe on Apr 17, 2015 11:53:22 GMT -5
A polo is pretty much the most uncomfortable thing I can think of. I'm so weird about clothing fit. Wearing a polo to school would be so distracting to me! Why to schools pick polos instead of plain t-shirts, I wonder??
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I also see nothing wrong if uniforms=folded hands. I'd love it if my kids had to sit with their hands folded! No hitting, touching, bugging....awesome!
lolaburns hugs. I don't disagree with you. I just hate the parental argument that their kids shouldn't have to wear uniforms because they need to express themselves at school. It's a bigger picture than that. But clothing is absolutely a form of self expression, and props to any kid that can whip up a stylish outfit from anywhere. That kid likely has innate talent, but isn't the norm:) If I'd known you in high school, I probably would have begged for your help with my clothes.
Dorothy Zbornak That's assuming in middle and high school I had self confidence- that I was never made fun of, no one ever threatened to beat me up, no one threw acid on my car, no one wrote a poem about me and threw thousands of copies of it all over the school grounds and that I was never called names on a daily basis.
I know you've told me this, but it still makes me cry. I'm so sorry this happened.
You guys can make fun of me all you want but there are legitimately a series of charters with rules where you must always stand straight, fild hands etc and those are schools with uniforms. Obviously those aren't the only kinds that have them.
I have no problem with uniforms. In fact, I have anticipated Kalvin needing uniforms and bought some polos from Children's Place earlier this year for about $2/shirt and if he doesn't need them, or wrong colors, he can wear them on the weekends.
You guys can make fun of me all you want but there are legitimately a series of charters with rules where you must always stand straight, fild hands etc and those are schools with uniforms. Obviously those aren't the only kinds that have them.
So, they expect the children to behave? I don't understand why this is weird.
The Kinders at our school walk with bubbles in their mouths through the halls (imaginary bubbles to remind them that talking in the halls during class time is not appropriate). The first graders walk with one index finger up to show they are proud to be 1st graders who are being respectful in the halls.
Do these expectations scream fear and mind control?
I also think that despite uniforms there's going to be some type of economic disparity situation. I figure that's going to be likely tech based for L and E. Too bad kids.... No smartphone until minimum high school when they have a job and can buy it.
You guys can make fun of me all you want but there are legitimately a series of charters with rules where you must always stand straight, fild hands etc and those are schools with uniforms. Obviously those aren't the only kinds that have them.
So, they expect the children to behave? I don't understand why this is weird.
The Kinders at our school walk with bubbles in their mouths through the halls (imaginary bubbles to remind them that talking in the halls during class time is not appropriate). The first graders walk with one index finger up to show they are proud to be 1st graders who are being respectful in the halls.
Do these expectations scream fear and mind control?
Pass the tinfoil hat.
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Well it's against my educational philosophy personally yes. I thought no as long as they aren't hurting others it really bothers me for children to have to keep hands folded all the time. I certainly wouldn't work somewhere where I had to do that. I am sure my opinion is also colored by the fact that my brother was emotionally abused by his teacher at a catholic school.
jsillyfun Learning to stand straight up in a line and have their hands to themselves is for proper behavior, learning self respect, respect of environment, respect of authority and respect of others .
Yes. There are other schools in the district that have the same though. It's mainly because the school is becoming I.B and is trying to be a bit more professional. And not have to deal with as many distraction
I'm at a Catholic school, so we obviously have uniforms. It seriously makes things so easy! I love that I'll never have to fight my kids in the morning about what to wear.
Our public school system is kind of crazy where you have to be placed regardless of where you live. The "traditional" schools are most desired for placement and feed into the best highschools. They all have uniforms where the non traditional schools do not. I don't think it is outlandish for a public school to have a uniform, and I bet the parents will enjoy the ease of getting dressed once it is implemented.
So, they expect the children to behave? I don't understand why this is weird.
The Kinders at our school walk with bubbles in their mouths through the halls (imaginary bubbles to remind them that talking in the halls during class time is not appropriate). The first graders walk with one index finger up to show they are proud to be 1st graders who are being respectful in the halls.
Do these expectations scream fear and mind control?
Pass the tinfoil hat.
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Well it's against my educational philosophy personally yes. I thought no as long as they aren't hurting others it really bothers me for children to have to keep hands folded all the time. I certainly wouldn't work somewhere where I had to do that. I am sure my opinion is also colored by the fact that my brother was emotionally abused by his teacher at a catholic school.
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Unless they are teaching them to write by holding pencils with their mouths there is no way they are expected to keep their hands folded at all times.
I also think that despite uniforms there's going to be some type of economic disparity situation. I figure that's going to be likely tech based for L and E. Too bad kids.... No smartphone until minimum high school when they have a job and can buy it.
I agree. Our school is 60% free & reduced, I think uniforms would help close the gap that exists between the children of farm owners & the children of farm workers. I know that uniforms won't completely close that gap but it couldn't hurt.
From a personal viewpoint I hate picking out clothes for the girls in the morning. I wish it was just a matter of what khaki skirt & blue polo they would wear. They could show their individuality through accessories.
Guys I'm not criticizing any of you for the choices you make for your kids. Standing in a line is fine. Having to take a time out for not sitting up straight in your chair is not fine for me or my kid. .hands to yourself is fine, but I'm not cool with hands having to be clasped at all times. And yes these are real examples from my friends school. I'm looking at some of the alternative arts charter schools where they only use positive discipline etc. I inow that's not for everyone and that's fine but it's what I'm looking for.
Guys I'm not criticizing any of you for the choices you make for your kids. Standing in a line is fine. Having to take a time out for not sitting up straight in your chair is not fine for me or my kid. .hands to yourself is fine, but I'm not cool with hands having to be clasped at all times. And yes these are real examples from my friends school. I'm looking at some of the alternative arts charter schools where they only use positive discipline etc. I inow that's not for everyone and that's fine but it's what I'm looking for.
Homeschooling might be best because you cannot dictate every rule once you reach that point and that seems like it will be difficult for you.
Post by dixeedeluxe on Apr 17, 2015 17:00:36 GMT -5
I wish I knew how to sit up straight. I swear I cannot do it for more than like a second! My achin' back!
As a kid, my dad couldn't sit criss cross applesauce and he got in trouble all the time. He has a hip problem and can't bend his leg like that. Poor Dad Deluxe.
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Does your friend send their kids there or are these memories from growing up?
Most public schools, especially in elementary school, have very high expectations for how they can discipline. They are not hitting, verbally abusing, yelling, etc at kids.
Look I get that I can't dictate every rule of course but I see nothing at all wrong with me choosing a school that is more in general aligned with my educational philosophy (centered more around child creativity than discipline). My point was only that some of the schools which require uniforms also have other strict policies I don't like. This doesn't hold true for the public school which requires them.
I soooo would have hated having to wear a uniform in school. Fwiw, all my clothes were garage sale clothes until middle school and I started baby sitting to earn money to buy my own clothes. Dh had a school uniform his whole life and he didn't care at all. He still doesn't care about how he dresses at all. For my kids, I'm pretty indifferent. I wouldn't care if their schools did or didn't have uniforms.
Look I get that I can't dictate every rule of course but I see nothing at all wrong with me choosing a school that is more in general aligned with my educational philosophy (centered more around child creativity than discipline). My point was only that some of the schools which require uniforms also have other strict policies I don't like. This doesn't hold true for the public school which requires them.
I am one of the most creative people I have ever met in my life and discipline has absolutely nothing to do with stifling creativity. Even creative people need to learn how to self regulate.
Post by christidee on Apr 17, 2015 18:00:07 GMT -5
I am all for school uniforms, as an educator, parent, and former high school student who would agonize nightly about what to wear.
There isn't much of an income gap at my school. About 95 percent of the students come from poverty, and our dress code isn't enforced much at.
Girls wear skin tight dresses and skirts that barely cover their butts, and boys sag their pants, wear undershirts and shirts, and so on. We need a dress code to make the focus more about education than looking sexy. I don't think parents can afford school clothes and weekend clothes, so weekend clothes prevail.
I think uniforms would provide one less distraction. I am all for a simple and enforced uniform (khaki pants, shirts, or skirt and polis).