Are those people whose cholesterol is lowered by statins or naturally low?
I believe statins haven't been shown to definitively lower risk of death, just lower cholesterol. I don't know where I heard that, so feel free to be suspicious;)
According to DH who has done a ton of research on this, statins do not extend your lifespan. You might die of something else, such as complications from being on statins for decades, but overall you will not live longer than if you just left your cholesterol high and didn't take them.
I did a lot of research on this a few years back because a family health issue arose, and I reached the same conclusion as your H. In fact, I actually got to be pretty tinfoil hat about supposed high cholesterol, as well as statins being the panacea. The side effects can be devastating, and there is almost no scientific evidence that lowering cholesterol, but itself, which is all that statins do, makes a difference to one's health. IIRC, there is only one group of people who may benefit, and that is older men (50+, I believe) who have already experienced one cardiovascular event. Even then, the benefits are statistically very small.
The last time I checked, statins are the single most popular pharmaceutical prescribed, and remember that you must take them for life. Also, what is considered "healthy" cholesterol levels keeps being lowered so as to exclude more and more people, i.e., drive them to take statins.
FWIW, and fun with anecdotes, but I see very mainstream doctors (I'm not into woo) and they are starting to embrace the idea that "high" cholesterol and statins are a bit sketch.
Ok yes, but it didn't control for total diet. Eating cholesterol CAN raise your cholesterol if you are eating in a way that your body can't / won't process it - aka full of animal fats that gunk up your blood and carbs that slow metabolism.
What I'm really waiting for is a bunch of olive oil/ spinach / lean meat / low carb eating, normal weight people to get bad cholesterol- then you can tell me the smoking gun is only the eggs.
ITA. I have genetically high cholesterol that was dangerously high in my 20s due to lifestyle. I went on Chrestor (sp?) for a while to lower it but with diet and exercise it remains 'high' but not dangerous because I eat fairly well. I still eat red meat, eggs, cheese and shrimp (super high in cholesterol) but in moderation. I don't eat eggs every day (well, I don't eat whole eggs every day) but it would still take many whole eggs every day PLUS the rest of my diet being shit PLUS me not moving ever to make my cholesterol an actual health issue. I get it tested every year and my doctor says she will let me know if it is 'dangerously' high as opposed to just 'high'.
On weekends, I usually make myself one of those pieces of toast with a cut out for the egg (because I am like 5, right?) and don't plan on stopping. I don't think 1-2 eggs a week is going to harm me.
I tend to ignore all this food is good / this food is bad arguments. Because its simply moderation. Yes, a diet of just eggs and nothing else will lead to problems. So will a diet of Sprite and fries, or one of just lettuce. Moderation is all.
AW: I love eggs and have had 2a day forever but switched to oatmeal early in this preg to help my milk. And been kinda tired of them too. Anyhow a trick to hide eggs: make stovetop oatmeal (mine is 1/2 c oats plus 1 c milk plus some fruit, one serving and good protein). To up the protein when the oatmeal is done (make it on thicker side) you take it off the heat and whisk in an egg for 1 min. Hot oats will cook it and basically it is an oatmeal custard. Texture changes a little but you don't see or taste the egg at all. Yum! I make it for my husband too, and it's a great trick to get extra protein in Henry (doesn't like eggs meat etc)
I look at the above table and conclude that the strongest relationship is between age and plaque – as one would expect.
If you consume a particular food regularly over more years you will amass more ‘food-years’. The authors could have picked broccoli and measured broccoli years and the top quintile group of 70 year olds would have had 14 years more broccoli consumption than the 56 year olds!
But when you are funded by drug companies, to continue the cholesterol/lipid hypothesis you’ll pick on a cholesterol rich food and not broccoli.
I am SO tired of animal foods being demonized. AW makes a good point about the quality. But for someone low on funds, even a crummy supermarket egg is an affordable, excellent source of many nutrients. A nice in-between bottom of the barrel supermarket and pastured are the "omega 3" eggs.
It looks from the full article that some of the participants could have been obese diabetics. Obese diabetics require more insulin, and insulin in quite involved in atherosclerosis. I don't quite know that it's fair to include people in that category at all in a correlation study between one specific food and atherosclerosis.
AW: I love eggs and have had 2a day forever but switched to oatmeal early in this preg to help my milk. And been kinda tired of them too. Anyhow a trick to hide eggs: make stovetop oatmeal (mine is 1/2 c oats plus 1 c milk plus some fruit, one serving and good protein). To up the protein when the oatmeal is done (make it on thicker side) you take it off the heat and whisk in an egg for 1 min. Hot oats will cook it and basically it is an oatmeal custard. Texture changes a little but you don't see or taste the egg at all. Yum! I make it for my husband too, and it's a great trick to get extra protein in Henry (doesn't like eggs meat etc)
This sounds great. I'm going to make it for everyone for breakfast tomorrow. Thanks so much!!
On weekends, I usually make myself one of those pieces of toast with a cut out for the egg (because I am like 5, right?) and don't plan on stopping. I don't think 1-2 eggs a week is going to harm me.
Is this what Toad-in-a-hole is? I can't remember, but I do that too, sometimes, and it's fucking awesome. I usually eat eggs on weekends because they are delicious and I much prefer them to sweet breakfast food. And really, I don't think pancakes are any better for my health.
On weekends, I usually make myself one of those pieces of toast with a cut out for the egg (because I am like 5, right?) and don't plan on stopping. I don't think 1-2 eggs a week is going to harm me.
Is this what Toad-in-a-hole is? I can't remember, but I do that too, sometimes, and it's fucking awesome. I usually eat eggs on weekends because they are delicious and I much prefer them to sweet breakfast food. And really, I don't think pancakes are any better for my health.
I think so, though we called them Popeyes when I was short. Because you pop out the middle and put in an egg eye. And it sounds like a cartoon.
AW: I love eggs and have had 2a day forever but switched to oatmeal early in this preg to help my milk. And been kinda tired of them too. Anyhow a trick to hide eggs: make stovetop oatmeal (mine is 1/2 c oats plus 1 c milk plus some fruit, one serving and good protein). To up the protein when the oatmeal is done (make it on thicker side) you take it off the heat and whisk in an egg for 1 min. Hot oats will cook it and basically it is an oatmeal custard. Texture changes a little but you don't see or taste the egg at all. Yum! I make it for my husband too, and it's a great trick to get extra protein in Henry (doesn't like eggs meat etc)
This sounds great. I'm going to make it for everyone for breakfast tomorrow. Thanks so much!!
I make baked oatmeal on Sundays, too, so that we have it for breakfast all week. It reheats really well. Sometimes I add a little milk in it toward the end of the week. I've been doing a mixed berry one and a pumpkin one.
On weekends, I usually make myself one of those pieces of toast with a cut out for the egg (because I am like 5, right?) and don't plan on stopping. I don't think 1-2 eggs a week is going to harm me.
We just call it "egg in the middle." We aren't creative.
On weekends, I usually make myself one of those pieces of toast with a cut out for the egg (because I am like 5, right?) and don't plan on stopping. I don't think 1-2 eggs a week is going to harm me.
We just call it "egg in the middle." We aren't creative.
And as a fat person, I think I can honestly say that eggs didn't make me fat. You know what made me fat? Dr Pepper and CheezIts. And I'm about 90% serious. I put on a lot of weight toward the end of high school, and I was drinking an ungodly amount of Dr Pepper at that time.
You can pry my eggs out of my cold, dead, chubby fingers. Today's breakfast was English muffins topped with goat cheese and over easy eggs. NOM NOM NOM.
Is this what Toad-in-a-hole is? I can't remember, but I do that too, sometimes, and it's fucking awesome. I usually eat eggs on weekends because they are delicious and I much prefer them to sweet breakfast food. And really, I don't think pancakes are any better for my health.
I think so, though we called them Popeyes when I was short. Because you pop out the middle and put in an egg eye. And it sounds like a cartoon.
My grandmother calls them a one-eyed queen elizabeth. Yeah. Apparently we are creative. (actually, almost all the women in the family are artists. I'm the lone exception).
I just want to say that I keep reading the title of this thread as "turns out MY eggs are bad" and thinking it's an IF vent. Even though I've been in here like 12 times and know perfectly well what it's about.