Sadly, I think those poor girls are going to be pressured to release a statement saying they forgive the piece of shit, so everyone else should, too. Jim Bob is not going to give up the empire without a fight.
I don't think so. Right now, media is not reporting (at least in frank terms) that it was his sisters he molested. It would be really dumb of them to underscore that he did this to his siblings when some people might assume it was unrelated 12 year old girls.
If the headline was "Josh Duggar Molested Four Year Old Sister," I think even the supporters' tone would change.
I skimmed the report. Did it actually say that one of the victims was 4? Tragic.
Edit: not that the rest of it isn't tragic - the whole thing is, but a four year old is so innocent and trusting and probably didn't even realize how wrong it all was.
Oh Lord, you guys have me going down the rabbit hole of reading the comments on TLC's Facebook page.
Someone posted "This is the saddest day in television history."
LOL, what? Why are people so dumb, why??
I don't watch TLC or the Duggars, but everyone getting mad saying they are going to boycott TLC makes me want to say good you idiots, TLC is a bunch of shitty tv anyway.
Which begs the question: why isn't the media reporting that this is what happened? Protecting victim identity?
The youngest victim is stil a minor so I think that contributes
The news (meaning paper and tv) often doesn't reveal the identity of sexual assault and abuse victims to protect their privacy. My guess is it's partly that, though a simple 'they youngest victim was 4 yrs old' would clarify a lot and not really identify anyone (though it doesn't take a genius to figure it out)
I don't think so. Right now, media is not reporting (at least in frank terms) that it was his sisters he molested. It would be really dumb of them to underscore that he did this to his siblings when some people might assume it was unrelated 12 year old girls.
If the headline was "Josh Duggar Molested Four Year Old Sister," I think even the supporters' tone would change.
I skimmed the report. Did it actually say that one of the victims was 4? Tragic.
Edit: not that the rest of it isn't tragic - the whole thing is, but a four year old is so innocent and trusting and probably didn't even realize how wrong it all was.
No but one of the victims is clearly VERY young based on the interview, and Joy Anna would fit and was 4.
Post by killercupcake on May 22, 2015 15:21:10 GMT -5
Like, how completely fucked in the head do you have to be to say something like "It was a few years ago. Who cares?" when proof of child molestation and the subsequent cover up are revealed?
The lack of empathy is disturbing to say the least. Fuck.
Post by killercupcake on May 22, 2015 15:27:47 GMT -5
There's a Gawker article that breaks the police report down with a timeline and then names the girls and their ages at the time. I'm bothered by this, despite the fact that everyone knows who it was.
Post by rachelgreen on May 22, 2015 16:01:27 GMT -5
I am just so sickened by people. I just can't. Wtf is wrong with these supporters. What in the hell has to happen for them to see it's wrong?? Reading all of this brought up painful things from my own childhood and how it was brushed aside. I can't imagine having to be a female in that lifestyle. Fuck that shit.
I admit I did used to watch the show up until a few years ago when I started learning about their "true" selfs (naive me for the win back when it was still 15 kids) but there's something that sticks out about Josh and Anna's wedding special to me. Iirc JB had a talk with Josh about sex now that he was to be married. It just seems even more disturbing and gross to me knowing about the abuse. My heart breaks for all those girls. There's no way it wasn't just those 5. Fuck Anna if she stays with him with her kids.
Oh Lord, you guys have me going down the rabbit hole of reading the comments on TLC's Facebook page.
Someone posted "This is the saddest day in television history."
LOL, what? Why are people so dumb, why??
I don't watch TLC or the Duggars, but everyone getting mad saying they are going to boycott TLC makes me want to say good you idiots, TLC is a bunch of shitty tv anyway.
I have to wonder if those people were just as "saddened" by Bill Cosby's shows being cancelled and his syndications being pulled? I mean, that "happened years ago" too.
I don't think so. Right now, media is not reporting (at least in frank terms) that it was his sisters he molested. It would be really dumb of them to underscore that he did this to his siblings when some people might assume it was unrelated 12 year old girls.
If the headline was "Josh Duggar Molested Four Year Old Sister," I think even the supporters' tone would change.
I skimmed the report. Did it actually say that one of the victims was 4? Tragic.
Edit: not that the rest of it isn't tragic - the whole thing is, but a four year old is so innocent and trusting and probably didn't even realize how wrong it all was.
It's a pretty easy puzzle/elimination game. The police report names 5 victims, whose names were redacted in the published version. Four of those victims live with their parents, Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar. At the time, they only had 5 daughters (their 4 youngest kids are also girls, but were not born yet). The police report has interviews with the victims and also some witnesses/people who knew about it. One witness is said to be a girl who is working on her GED and lives with the Duggars, and is mostly responsible for the cooking at the house. That description fits Jana. She says she was not molested, but she knew her sisters were. Also, one of the interviews with the victims makes it seem like she was really young. Hence, his victims were his 4 sisters who were not Jana - Jill, Jessa, Jinger and JoyAnna.
Josh had just turned 14, so Jana would have been 12, but she was not molested as far as we know. Jill would have been almost 11. Jessa would have been 9, Jinger would have been 8, and JoyAnna would have been 4.
The fifth victim was a family friend who was helping out/babysitting the kids. Some think it was their cousin, Amy, who I think is a year or two older than Josh, but it could have been a girl from their church. No one knows.
I hope this comes across accurately via typing. Yes, it's normal for kids of similar ages to be curious, this is why kids will show themselves to each other, or touch each other. Even young kids do this. This was a 14yr old, preying on his sisters (while they were sleeping). The fact that he was 'attracted' to, or had impulses to do this to his prepubescent sisters (as young as 4) puts him in a different category of disturbed, imo.
I never watched the show, I don't even know all of their names, but I feel SO sick about all of this.
Yes, exactly. And in that case, it's consensual. Sure, they're still super young, probably not entirely sure about what they're doing, but BOTH parties are in on it, so to speak.
The fact that he waited until his sisters were asleep shows he knew exactly what he was doing, and that it was most definitely wrong. It wasn't curiosity or exploration, it was blatantly, unequivocally wrong. And that's not even getting into the ages of the younger victims.
Post by hopecounts on May 22, 2015 18:14:33 GMT -5
If you weren't already pissed at TLC read this blind gossip
If you weren’t mad enough about this story about a family that is already in the news, just wait until we drop this bombshell!
It turns out that network executives KNEW about the problem with the cast of this TV show MONTHS AGO!
Here’s what happened. Even though these two television shows appear to be completely unrelated, they are actually part of the same network. And, like most networks, they encourage and arrange cross-promotions between shows whenever possible.
The cast of the first show was scheduled to do an appearance on the second show. You probably already heard about the fact that the second show turned down the appearance of the first show’s cast and reported the problem to law enforcement.
Well, that’s not the whole story!
The second show could not just “pass” on a major network cross-promotion without giving a reason to their network bosses. So they told the network executives about the problem with the first show’s cast. And guess what the network executives did about it? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. They did not want to do anything that would cause controversy or stop the income stream from the first show, so they did nothing and simply hoped that the problem would remain a secret.
So when the network finally does make some sort of announcement about how shocked and surprised and sad they are about the events… know that they are LYING. They knew about the problem months ago and chose to sweep everything under the carpet so that they could keep the show on the air and continue to profit from it.
If you weren't already pissed at TLC read this blind gossip
If you weren’t mad enough about this story about a family that is already in the news, just wait until we drop this bombshell!
It turns out that network executives KNEW about the problem with the cast of this TV show MONTHS AGO!
Here’s what happened. Even though these two television shows appear to be completely unrelated, they are actually part of the same network. And, like most networks, they encourage and arrange cross-promotions between shows whenever possible.
The cast of the first show was scheduled to do an appearance on the second show. You probably already heard about the fact that the second show turned down the appearance of the first show’s cast and reported the problem to law enforcement.
Well, that’s not the whole story!
The second show could not just “pass” on a major network cross-promotion without giving a reason to their network bosses. So they told the network executives about the problem with the first show’s cast. And guess what the network executives did about it? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. They did not want to do anything that would cause controversy or stop the income stream from the first show, so they did nothing and simply hoped that the problem would remain a secret.
So when the network finally does make some sort of announcement about how shocked and surprised and sad they are about the events… know that they are LYING. They knew about the problem months ago and chose to sweep everything under the carpet so that they could keep the show on the air and continue to profit from it.
Months ago?? I thought the Oprah special and all that was from 2006. MEANING TLC WOULD HAVE KNOWN BEFORE THEY PICKED UP 19KAC AS A REGULAR SERIES.
If you weren't already pissed at TLC read this blind gossip
If you weren’t mad enough about this story about a family that is already in the news, just wait until we drop this bombshell!
It turns out that network executives KNEW about the problem with the cast of this TV show MONTHS AGO!
Here’s what happened. Even though these two television shows appear to be completely unrelated, they are actually part of the same network. And, like most networks, they encourage and arrange cross-promotions between shows whenever possible.
The cast of the first show was scheduled to do an appearance on the second show. You probably already heard about the fact that the second show turned down the appearance of the first show’s cast and reported the problem to law enforcement.
Well, that’s not the whole story!
The second show could not just “pass” on a major network cross-promotion without giving a reason to their network bosses. So they told the network executives about the problem with the first show’s cast. And guess what the network executives did about it? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. They did not want to do anything that would cause controversy or stop the income stream from the first show, so they did nothing and simply hoped that the problem would remain a secret.
So when the network finally does make some sort of announcement about how shocked and surprised and sad they are about the events… know that they are LYING. They knew about the problem months ago and chose to sweep everything under the carpet so that they could keep the show on the air and continue to profit from it.
Months ago?? I thought the Oprah special and all that was from 2006. MEANING TLC WOULD HAVE KNOWN BEFORE THEY PICKED UP 19KAC AS A REGULAR SERIES.
Exactly. *the months ago is to keep it vagueish, read it as a LONG time ago.
Yes, exactly. And in that case, it's consensual. Sure, they're still super young, probably not entirely sure about what they're doing, but BOTH parties are in on it, so to speak.
The fact that he waited until his sisters were asleep shows he knew exactly what he was doing, and that it was most definitely wrong. It wasn't curiosity or exploration, it was blatantly, unequivocally wrong. And that's not even getting into the ages of the younger victims.
He is a true pedophile, and you certainly can't pray that away. I do have concern for his children.
What upsets me the most (aside from the trauma that his victims have had to live with) is how Jim Bob and Michelle utterly failed to protect their children in their effort to have Josh pray this shit away. I shudder to think how his sisters reconcile the Duggar's principles about purity and wholesomeness with what was done to them.
The sad thing is, when child perpetrators are given proper intervention services, like a juvenille sex offender program, the recidivism rate and later offenses are usually pretty low. I don't think Josh has received any sort of valuable intervention and it makes me worry about his kids.
Post by lexxasaurus on May 22, 2015 20:31:33 GMT -5
As far as being a "true pedophile" - he may not be, as those are people who are primarily or only attracted to children - but he IS a predator, and it was not a single attack. Sexual offenders are 4 times more likely to reoffend than other criminals released from incarceration, plus they tend to escalate as they go on. I'd be surprised if there weren't older girls/women he had also assaulted.