OMFG, my MIL is a Duggar Defender. I kind of threw some smack down on her with the details of the story, so hopefully she gets it now, but **RAGE**. The conversation went something like this...
MIL: Have you heard about the hoopla around 19 Kids and counting? (She actually said hoopla.) ME: Yeah MIL: He just touched their breasts, it seems like not a big deal. ME:
ME: He didn't just touch their breasts. He touched their breasts and genitals while they were sleeping.
MIL: Oh, well how do you know that.
ME: I read the redacted police report. They were between the ages of 4 and 12, and he was 14, and a 14 year should know not to fondle his sleeping sisters.
MIL: Well you know they call (whispers) rape molestation and this wasn't that.
ME: No, rape is rape. He unequivocally sexually molested four of his five sisters and another girl from another family.
MIL: Well why would he do that?
ME: Because he's a pedophile.
At this point my H gave me one of those looks that said, "stop engaging my mom in this loudly in the middle of the restaurant." (Did I mention we were in the middle of a restaurant and that my MIL is deaf with a cochlear implant, so I wasn't exactly talking quietly.)
I tried to change the subject, but then she was like, "I saw my neighbor swat his wife's bottom the other day, and I think that's domestic abuse." This BTW, was her totally being a brat and making fun of me for saying that the Duggar situation was without a shred of doubt sexual molestation.
OMFG, my MIL is a Duggar Defender. I kind of threw some smack down on her with the details of the story, so hopefully she gets it now, but **RAGE**. The conversation went something like this...
MIL: Have you heard about the hoopla around 19 Kids and counting? (She actually said hoopla.) ME: Yeah MIL: He just touched their breasts, it seems like not a big deal. ME:
ME: He didn't just touch their breasts. He touched their breasts and genitals while they were sleeping.
MIL: Oh, well how do you know that.
ME: I read the redacted police report. They were between the ages of 4 and 12, and he was 14, and a 14 year should know not to fondle his sleeping sisters.
MIL: Well you know they call (whispers) rape molestation and this wasn't that.
ME: No, rape is rape. He unequivocally sexually molested four of his five sisters and another girl from another family.
MIL: Well why would he do that?
ME: Because he's a pedophile.
At this point my H gave me one of those looks that said, "stop engaging my mom in this loudly in the middle of the restaurant." (Did I mention we were in the middle of a restaurant and that my MIL is deaf with a cochlear implant, so I wasn't exactly talking quietly.)
I tried to change the subject, but then she was like, "I saw my neighbor swat his wife's bottom the other day, and I think that's domestic abuse." This BTW, was her totally being a brat and making fun of me for saying that the Duggar situation was without a shred of doubt sexual molestation.
Insert more RAGE here.
Want to feel better? My neice was molested by her stepfather. My MIL has made several comments like "well I don't understand why she wouldn't tell someone" and "she must have been hitting on him". Even though it has since come out that several other young females are also accusing him.
OMFG, my MIL is a Duggar Defender. I kind of threw some smack down on her with the details of the story, so hopefully she gets it now, but **RAGE**. The conversation went something like this...
MIL: Have you heard about the hoopla around 19 Kids and counting? (She actually said hoopla.) ME: Yeah MIL: He just touched their breasts, it seems like not a big deal. ME:
ME: He didn't just touch their breasts. He touched their breasts and genitals while they were sleeping.
MIL: Oh, well how do you know that.
ME: I read the redacted police report. They were between the ages of 4 and 12, and he was 14, and a 14 year should know not to fondle his sleeping sisters.
MIL: Well you know they call (whispers) rape molestation and this wasn't that.
ME: No, rape is rape. He unequivocally sexually molested four of his five sisters and another girl from another family.
MIL: Well why would he do that?
ME: Because he's a pedophile.
At this point my H gave me one of those looks that said, "stop engaging my mom in this loudly in the middle of the restaurant." (Did I mention we were in the middle of a restaurant and that my MIL is deaf with a cochlear implant, so I wasn't exactly talking quietly.)
I tried to change the subject, but then she was like, "I saw my neighbor swat his wife's bottom the other day, and I think that's domestic abuse." This BTW, was her totally being a brat and making fun of me for saying that the Duggar situation was without a shred of doubt sexual molestation.
Insert more RAGE here.
Want to feel better? My neice was molested by her stepfather. My MIL has made several comments like "well I don't understand why she wouldn't tell someone" and "she must have been hitting on him". Even though it has since come out that several other young females are also accusing him.
What the actual fuck MIL?! Ugh.
Disgusting. I have heard that, too. "Why didn't you tell anyone? You must have at least enjoyed the attention." Yes. Yes, I completely enjoy pushing my mattress in front of my bedroom door every night to deter my 19 year old, 250 lb, 6ft tall stepbrother from coming in and man-handling me in my sleep. For sure.
DH just posted this in response to a FB dummy that is about to be unfriended (I broke it up into paragraphs):
"He wasn't 13, he was 14. That was the age at which his parents discovered he had already molested 5 girls, one of whom would have been about 4 years old. He was 15 when his parents found out the behavior had continued, and then pretended to get him treatment (something his mother herself later recanted).
When I was 15 I could drive a car to my after school job, and do most things an adult does. Most "conservative Christians" would have no problem trying me as an adult for crimes far less serious than molesting small children, but I'm not a Christian tv hero. Teenagers are "just children" when it fits the narrative of someone who wants to make an excuse for them. There is no liberal conspiracy here just to damage someone like Huckabee, who literally has no chance of ever becoming president. The reason this is getting so much traction is because Josh Duggar molested children, and then went on to make a political career out of labeling, maligning and lobbying against those he believed were sexual deviants and predators. His mother, who covered up for him along with his father, did more of the same...warning good "conservative Christians" that transgender people could not be trusted around children because they were most likely sexual predators. The hypocrisy is part of the story.
The other part of the story is the people who think that "it was up to the family to handle it as they saw fit", who in effect, will make it easier for the Josh Duggars of the world to sexually abuse small children. What happened to those girls is something they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. They could not count on their own father to protect them from their brother. Females are worth a lot less than the eldest son in the cult the DUggars belong to. It isn't the fault of the "liberal media" that the girls are having to relive all of the horrors they lived through, it's the fault of people who refused to do the right thing when they should have and went on to tell the rest of us how Christians are supposed to live but refusing to do it themselves. They didn't follow the most basic principle of protecting their children from evil, so they deserve what they are getting now, and more."
Fuck yeah, DH.
Would your DH be okay with me reposting this on the TLC board and any other of my FB friends' walls when this comes up???
DH just posted this in response to a FB dummy that is about to be unfriended (I broke it up into paragraphs):
"He wasn't 13, he was 14. That was the age at which his parents discovered he had already molested 5 girls, one of whom would have been about 4 years old. He was 15 when his parents found out the behavior had continued, and then pretended to get him treatment (something his mother herself later recanted).
When I was 15 I could drive a car to my after school job, and do most things an adult does. Most "conservative Christians" would have no problem trying me as an adult for crimes far less serious than molesting small children, but I'm not a Christian tv hero. Teenagers are "just children" when it fits the narrative of someone who wants to make an excuse for them. There is no liberal conspiracy here just to damage someone like Huckabee, who literally has no chance of ever becoming president. The reason this is getting so much traction is because Josh Duggar molested children, and then went on to make a political career out of labeling, maligning and lobbying against those he believed were sexual deviants and predators. His mother, who covered up for him along with his father, did more of the same...warning good "conservative Christians" that transgender people could not be trusted around children because they were most likely sexual predators. The hypocrisy is part of the story.
The other part of the story is the people who think that "it was up to the family to handle it as they saw fit", who in effect, will make it easier for the Josh Duggars of the world to sexually abuse small children. What happened to those girls is something they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. They could not count on their own father to protect them from their brother. Females are worth a lot less than the eldest son in the cult the DUggars belong to. It isn't the fault of the "liberal media" that the girls are having to relive all of the horrors they lived through, it's the fault of people who refused to do the right thing when they should have and went on to tell the rest of us how Christians are supposed to live but refusing to do it themselves. They didn't follow the most basic principle of protecting their children from evil, so they deserve what they are getting now, and more."
Fuck yeah, DH.
Would your DH be okay with me reposting this on the TLC board and any other of my FB friends' walls when this comes up???
I wouldn't do this.
If cut and pasted and someone googles, it would bring people right to this board. She may not want that.
Post by Jalapeñomel on May 25, 2015 7:56:10 GMT -5
I don't know why I keep coming in here to read this thread, not because of anything you guys have said, but because I get so angry and sad that once again, "our" politicians would rather defend a white "christian" male then a woman/child who was abused and neglected to save some idiotic idea of "Christian America." Are the lives of women and children so inconsequential that we can allow the abuse to stand?
The real Christians should be PISSED, so pissed that this man, and his supporters, are defaming the name of what real Christianity stands for, so much so that they should be shamed and exiled away from anyone who can be hurt by them ever again. If there was/is a Jesus or the Christian God, they do not claim these men as their own---these guys are right from the depths of hell.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL THESE WOMEN and CHILDREN THAT THEY ARE WORTH SO MUCH MORE.
I can't even imagine what it's like for those girls to go their entire lives being told that their abuse doesn't matter. And to see so many people supporting their abuser.
so, now there are rumors swirling that TLC might just kick josh off of the show, but keep the show on the air. apparently they have a large evangelical following and there is reason to believe that their viewership wouldn't plummet too much. or something?
General Mills (one of their major advertisers) pulled out almost immediately after this story broke.
This whole time I thought this is what they'd do. Ridiculous.
so, now there are rumors swirling that TLC might just kick josh off of the show, but keep the show on the air. apparently they have a large evangelical following and there is reason to believe that their viewership wouldn't plummet too much. or something?
General Mills (one of their major advertisers) pulled out almost immediately after this story broke.
The thing is, General Mills chose to advertise with them when the were spouting their hate filled messages, so I give them no credit for pulling out now.
Post by sofamonkey on May 25, 2015 10:18:38 GMT -5
A friend posted this article this morning, and I really, really like it. It isn't hateful & preachy about how bad Christians are. It is quite informative and, I think, does a fairly decent job of splitting up what quiverfull is & why is it is not lumped in with all Christianity. I think it really just nails that part. People that dislike the QF movement are not anti Christian at all. Anyway, I thought y'all might like the read.
So, the cop they took the molester to was later convicted of crimes against children and the "therapist" they sent him to was charged with harassing and assaulting multiple women.
So, the cop they took the molester to was later convicted of crimes against children and the "therapist" they sent him to was charged with harassing and assaulting multiple women.
so, now there are rumors swirling that TLC might just kick josh off of the show, but keep the show on the air. apparently they have a large evangelical following and there is reason to believe that their viewership wouldn't plummet too much. or something?
General Mills (one of their major advertisers) pulled out almost immediately after this story broke.
Sadly this would not shock me. But those folks can have the Willis family instead. Lol
It's totes ok to keep the people who harbored the sex offender, in their home, with the people he molested, as long as we get rid of the actual offender on TV.
I'd be interested to know how the family I cut off view this situation. I'm pretty positive they would be Duggar defenders, as they pretty much did the same thing in their situation. I do hope they read some of it and realize deep down how fucked up their point of view is.
A friend posted this article this morning, and I really, really like it. It isn't hateful & preachy about how bad Christians are. It is quite informative and, I think, does a fairly decent job of splitting up what quiverfull is & why is it is not lumped in with all Christianity. I think it really just nails that part. People that dislike the QF movement are not anti Christian at all. Anyway, I thought y'all might like the read.
Post by Jalapeñomel on May 25, 2015 20:25:10 GMT -5
Well, I'll be.
Eric Hovind — son of imprisoned creationist theme park operator Kent Hovind – said Duggar was the victim of a double standard by the media, which he said praised sins such as lust, abortion, and homosexuality but condemned “confession, judgment, and forgiveness.”
Eric Hovind — son of imprisoned creationist theme park operator Kent Hovind – said Duggar was the victim of a double standard by the media, which he said praised sins such as lust, abortion, and homosexuality but condemned “confession, judgment, and forgiveness.”
Eric Hovind — son of imprisoned creationist theme park operator Kent Hovind – said Duggar was the victim of a double standard by the media, which he said praised sins such as lust, abortion, and homosexuality but condemned “confession, judgment, and forgiveness.”
I wish these people would stop it with the homosexuality is the worst sin. Two consenting adults = nothing wrong happening. It makes me angry.
I'm honestly shocked at how many people are pro Duggar on their FB page. I really thought coming down hard and punishing child molesters was a unity horse.
I'd be interested to know how the family I cut off view this situation. I'm pretty positive they would be Duggar defenders, as they pretty much did the same thing in their situation. I do hope they read some of it and realize deep down how fucked up their point of view is.
I don't think it will be all that difficult for the family to close ranks and continue to shelter the kids from negative press. They will probably have a family meeting to rehash everything, but it is totes okay and cool now because Josh repented and sought forgiveness from God. They will use the media backlash as proof that everyone who doesn't belong to their cult is a heathen and they need to use this as an opportunity to redouble their efforts at being super crazy freaks who bastardize religion to justify their craziness.
I am feeling all sorts of rage at the comments being posted on TLC's facebook page in support of the Duggars.
I was molested as a teenager and when my paternal grandmother found out? "Boys will be boys" was her response. This same grandmother didn't do anything when my dad told her that he had been sexually abused by their priest. It disgusts me that JimBob and Michelle didn't protect their kids and just swept this under the rug.
I just read where Josh made an incest joke a few years back, when he was dating Anna and they needed a chaperone for their movie outing. He suggested two of his siblings double date with them, ha ha, after all this is Arkansas! Jesus mary mother of god. These people are pigs.
OMG! I know - I saw that clip and it just disgusts me. I made the mistake of watching a few minutes of the season finale show on demand and it was just gross knowing what we know. Jessa talks a out whether they will share the sex of their baby and josh says very pointedly and while yuking it up... "I don't think you can keep a secret" or something similar. Just awful.
I hate when on demand stuff just starts playing on my tv by mistake.
This is almost as laughable as the people who have always defended their rabid fandom of these idiots as just hate-watching. Giving them a platform is giving them a platform. Watching their show on demand is sending a pretty clear message to the network and advertisers that you are still part of their audience.
what?!? Sorry if it wasn't clear, but I watched it before all of this came out. Not after. I remembered the comment after the fact.
It was pretty established they were bigoted assholes long before this came out, though.
I remain bothered by anyone who says "boys will be boys."
That should apply to coming home head to toe in mud with a frog or climbing trees and getting stuck.
Or playing with their penis in the tub and telling their mom all about it in the bank line up because they're 4 and have zero clue
Not when they harm another person. That should never ever be an "oh well, what can you do?" Because the answer is raise them to be decent humans who know you respect others, their bodies and don't go around touching anyone just because you feel like it. I don't get why this is so hard or apparently up for debate with their supporters. One does not "mistakenly" force another person to being touched. I don't know what I would have done if it was my son but I certainly hope more than shrug my shoulders and tel him to do better next time.