I can't wait for the religious/duggar sympathizers to start with the "The Duggars are being PERSECUTED!"
They already have on their Duggar FB fan page. "Everyone makes mistakes!" Holy shit, if molesting your minor sisters is a mistake to you, remind me to never let you around my family!
Thankfully, people are calling for TLC to cancel the Duggars on the TLC main FB page.
Post by killercupcake on May 21, 2015 13:12:24 GMT -5
That flow chart is horrifying to me. I'm not surprised by it, but there's something about seeing in black and white the things you were told by the church when you were growing up that just makes it that much more stomach turning.
I can't wait for the religious/duggar sympathizers to start with the "The Duggars are being PERSECUTED!"
They already have on their Duggar FB fan page. "Everyone makes mistakes!" Holy shit, if molesting your minor sisters is a mistake to you, remind me to never let you around my family!
Thankfully, people are calling for TLC to cancel the Duggars on the TLC main FB page.
It doesn't make any sense to me. Wouldn't you WANT to get rid of the people making you look bad?
"You. You and your crazy life. You and your geographic anomaly. You and your drunken lesbianic ways and terrible navigational skills." - ProfArt and her holy baby
Post by snipsnsnails on May 21, 2015 13:18:52 GMT -5
The more I read, the angrier I get. There is a freaking illness within the modern fundamental, charismatic Church and the more these people turn their heads, ship kids away for a few months here or there to "rehab" and convince themselves that there are no real pragmatic, not to mention Scripture-driven consequences to actions like this, the deeper and darker the sickness becomes. I have been horrified by some of the stories and situations I've known about in my life with friends coming out of situations like this. This is not moral. This is not godly. This is not healthy. This is depraved and damaging. My finger is pointing squarely at Jim Bob and Michelle. And to try to justify this with a mangling of their interpretation of the Christian faith brings me right back to a point of rage.
This is so awful. IDGAF about the Duggars and their show, but I just want to cry for those girls (women). Think about how they're going to be crucified in the fundie community.
I can't wait for the religious/duggar sympathizers to start with the "The Duggars are being PERSECUTED!"
They already have on their Duggar FB fan page. "Everyone makes mistakes!" Holy shit, if molesting your minor sisters is a mistake to you, remind me to never let you around my family!
Thankfully, people are calling for TLC to cancel the Duggars on the TLC main FB page.
Oh BS Duggars, nice try! Mistake??? Molesting a person is no mistake. Josh had intent when he went into his sister's room while she was sleeping and he had intent when he continued to put his hands on her. This happend 5x??? ^o)
Remember about 6 months ago Michelle felt 'child predators' would be free to haunt public restrooms if a transgender anti-discrimination rule was passed? The irony in all of this is her first born was touching his little sisters years ago.
Hmm. I wonder if they'll come forward with the actual story. I remember something about him kissing a sleeping girl he was courting, and he got in trouble and the courtship ended, but this is obviously a whole new level.
I have a feeling Anna knew everything there was to know. They wouldn't be able to risk not telling her, with the risk of it coming to light being so high.
I hate to say it, but I think the culture of suppressing female individuality and telling the boys (especially the oldest boy) that they are in charge of the women in their lives really helps facilitate this kind of thing. The girls are under the absolutely authority of their father, and later their husband, and if they never marry, they will be transferred to Josh's authority when Jim Bob dies. Women are not given their own agency, so I can see someone who is already predisposed to doing something like this not realizing that interfering with a girl's body is wrong from that standpoint in a way.
I'm not sure that I would say it's NOT in Josh's nature to do this if he was nurtured in a different way. I just don't think the way he was raised helped at all.
I hate to say it, but I think the culture of suppressing female individuality and telling the boys (especially the oldest boy) that they are in charge of the women in their lives really helps facilitate this kind of thing. The girls are under the absolutely authority of their father, and later their husband, and if they never marry, they will be transferred to Josh's authority when Jim Bob dies. Women are not given their own agency, so I can see someone who is already predisposed to doing something like this not realizing that interfering with a girl's body is wrong from that standpoint in a way.
I'm not sure that I would say it's NOT in Josh's nature to do this if he was nurtured in a different way. I just don't think the way he was raised helped at all.
And this is exactly why I believe Anna would never leave Josh over this.
You know none of those girls got actual counseling (((
Did you see what was posted over on CE&P?
If they got any sort of counseling, I am willing to bet this was the kind they got:
The first "help" I received after my abuse centered on this philosophy. That probably explains why I no longer attend church and still need therapy 20 years later. I was told I was worse than my abuser, my biological father, if I didn't find forgiveness for his sins. I was 12 when the abuse stopped. There aren't words to express the sorrow I feel for these girls.
Hmm. I wonder if they'll come forward with the actual story. I remember something about him kissing a sleeping girl he was courting, and he got in trouble and the courtship ended, but this is obviously a whole new level.
What do you mean? Their version of the story? Something not included in the police report?
Yeah. I'm curious what they have to say about it.
Poor girls. I wonder if having this many siblings this spread out in age magnifies the risk of this happening. Like it would make them all feel less like true siblings or something? I know incestual molestation isn't unheard of, but Ugh.
I hate to say it, but I think the culture of suppressing female individuality and telling the boys (especially the oldest boy) that they are in charge of the women in their lives really helps facilitate this kind of thing. The girls are under the absolutely authority of their father, and later their husband, and if they never marry, they will be transferred to Josh's authority when Jim Bob dies. Women are not given their own agency, so I can see someone who is already predisposed to doing something like this not realizing that interfering with a girl's body is wrong from that standpoint in a way.
I'm not sure that I would say it's NOT in Josh's nature to do this if he was nurtured in a different way. I just don't think the way he was raised helped at all.
Don't hate to say it, girl. I think you are spot on. It should be said again and again and again, far and wide. This culture of men first, women second manifests dysfunction and suppression in so many ways, and this is one very tragic example.
Also, people that know this stuff: Could the fact that the parents kept this under wraps for a year put their guardianship over their current minor children in jeopardy?
Post by snipsnsnails on May 21, 2015 14:15:48 GMT -5
And since I'm already ticked and have enough judgment to go around today, I'll just go ahead and say it. If Anna knew and willingly had children with him - especially after he received no psychiatric counseling whatsoever according to the police report (just three months doing construction with a sorta mentor!!!) and only starting to scratch the surface on what we know, clinically, on juvenile sex offenders- I'm just going to go ahead and point my finger at her, too.
Post by ginandjucie24 on May 21, 2015 14:35:06 GMT -5
I hate to admit that I obliviously watched this show. I am glad you all informed me of how horrible they are and how wrong I was for watching and not being informed about it. I haven't watched in long while.
I just read the police report. And it's said that Josh was made to call someone apologize to them. It states that family meetings were held twice about all of this. So everyone in the family knows what happened.
I hate to admit that I obliviously watched this show. I am glad you all informed me of how horrible they are and how wrong I was for watching and not being informed about it. I haven't watched in long while.
I just read the police report. And it's said that Josh was made to call someone apologize to them. It states that family meetings were held twice about all of this. So everyone in the family knows what happened.
I hope tlc cancels this show.
.....and that hate group he's tied to, I hope they can him too.
People.com reports every time one of these people sneezes, and of course they are radio silent on this right now. Assholes.
This is horrifying. These poor girls. As mentioned above, they are so staunchly "trained" about purity and self worth, what does this do to them? And knowing that their whole family knows?? Jesus.