Post by eponinepontmercy on Sept 2, 2015 13:53:55 GMT -5
I love talking about a "race war" as though this is a completely new phenomenon. Black people have been killed for centuries. It's only getting mainstream attention now because of social media.Stop acting like this is the first time a police officer has killed an innocent black person. It wasn't a "race war" until they started asking it to stop.
I certainly don't condone the cop killing that seems to have been happening frequently this week, however, I think the "condone blacklivesmatter" sentiment is BS-why is it taking cop killings to have PDs address BLM? The fact that PD departments are up in arms over "their own" being killed, yet don't give a shit about killing, targeting, over-policing black people illustrates so much
In my utopian bubble I like to believe [that people will look into intent for things as they are and see] that #blacklivesmatter is about addressing violence and like Nitaw said, criminalization of every black person a cop comes across.
But to me that is not necessarily synonymous with #killthepolice. You can want peace for one without violence for the others. You can want accountability for the corrupt cops without wishing death for all cops.
Do we [actually] need founders of #blacklivesmatter get up and say - "Hey folks - please do protest, that is what we need. But don't go and do the same thing to the other side that we want to stop being done to us. Don't assume and treat all cops as the ignorant racist ones who criminalize, abuse and murder innocent blacks until you see evidence that they are doing it. When you do, turn them in. Publicly shame them. Don't murder them."
I don't think or want #blacklivesmatter to be denounced. I think it's important. But I don't like it being twisted either.
Do we need founders of #blacklivesmatter get up and say - "Hey folks - please do protest, that is what we need. But don't go and do the same thing to the other side that we want to stop being done to us. Don't assume and treat all cops as the ignorant racist ones who criminalize, abuse and murder innocent blacks until you see evidence that they are doing it. When you do, turn them in. Publicly shame them. Don't murder them."
Really?! You really think it's up to the BLM to tell people to behave themselves?
Check yourself and your privilege, Michelle. Why is it ALWAYS up to the black community to speak up to tell their side to simmer down? No other community has to do this, just the black community. To forgive. To preach peace.
I'm seeing it all over. When 8 respond, I respond with "I support keeping our police safe, and I support the BLM movement."
I have to say, the posts of "black people denouncing blm," have me laughing in a not funny way. How convenient that you agree with the black person saying what you like to hear.
And I find it really, really ironic that the black person that killed to officer has not said a WORD about BLM, yet he's suddenly representative of the movement.
This is such a hard intertwined subject for me. I don't know how to articulate my thoughts.
I will say while I have seen 1 (so probably a few) departments blame cop killings on BLM, I don't think that is the feeling of the majority of departments. But I could be wrong.
The problem here is that in the press conference announcing the arrest, the sheriff (I think it was the Sheriff), and potentially the D.A., made a comment about the "rhetoric" and "all lives matter" - when, it is my understanding that there is no evidence that the killing was racially motivated and/or involved the BLM. In fact, the alleged shooter had some fairly big mental health issues a few years ago. So, at least in Houston, it made it seem as though the entire department was blaming the BLM, even if they were not.
I'm seeing it all over. When 8 respond, I respond with "I support keeping our police safe, and I support the BLM movement."
I have to say, the posts of "black people denouncing blm," have me laughing in a not funny way. How convenient that you agree with the black person saying what you like to hear.
I don't know what this means. 8 officers/departments said this or 8 random people?
I think she had a tef moment and autocorrect got her.
The problem here is that in the press conference announcing the arrest, the sheriff (I think it was the Sheriff), and potentially the D.A., made a comment about the "rhetoric" and "all lives matter" - when, it is my understanding that there is no evidence that the killing was racially motivated and/or involved the BLM. In fact, the alleged shooter had some fairly big mental health issues a few years ago. So, at least in Houston, it made it seem as though the entire department was blaming the BLM, even if they were not.
Ok I did not see the press conference. But this does not surprise me coming from Texas (sorry Texas). I just haven't seen that sentiment around me.
And it was right after it happened. Before they even had the guy. BLM was to blame.
It's horrible. I want to support the police. I hate the hurt his family is facing. But by tying the two together, it makes me hold back, lest I be confused with the #alllivesmatter crowd. Because I am so, so not cool with that.
I certainly don't condone the cop killing that seems to have been happening frequently this week, however, I think the "condone blacklivesmatter" sentiment is BS-why is it taking cop killings to have PDs address BLM? The fact that PD departments are up in arms over "their own" being killed, yet don't give a shit about killing, targeting, over-policing black people illustrates so much
Law enforcement deaths are actually down overall. It just gets more media coverage when it happens.
I certainly don't condone the cop killing that seems to have been happening frequently this week, however, I think the "condone blacklivesmatter" sentiment is BS-why is it taking cop killings to have PDs address BLM? The fact that PD departments are up in arms over "their own" being killed, yet don't give a shit about killing, targeting, over-policing black people illustrates so much
Law enforcement deaths are actually down overall. It just gets more media coverage when it happens and a black person is the killer.
So when a white kid shot up a church he didn't represent all white men, all racists or all confederate flag-loving Americans. He was just a deranged person with "mental illness".
But when a black man kills a white cop it's immediately assumed that he must hate cops and must be part of the BLM movement. All before he was even arrested.
I'm seeing it all over. When 8 respond, I respond with "I support keeping our police safe, and I support the BLM movement."
I have to say, the posts of "black people denouncing blm," have me laughing in a not funny way. How convenient that you agree with the black person saying what you like to hear.
I've been trying to figure a way to tell people that this, in itself, is racist. I'm appalled at how many people I thought I knew, who have turned out to be racist.
Post by cookiemdough on Sept 2, 2015 17:02:01 GMT -5
another part that seems to be missing in the narrative is that much of BLM started not with just the outrage of killing of black people, but also the lack of justice when these situations happened. I am horrified at the death of police officers, but I am relieved that the perpetrator is captured / killed or otherwise put through the justice system. That is not a luxury that we have been afforded until very recently and it still remains whether charges will actually lead to a conviction and some sort of punishment. So this tit for tat rhetoric going around comes across as very "why don't we have a white history month" kind of ignorance.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
I'm seeing it all over. When 8 respond, I respond with "I support keeping our police safe, and I support the BLM movement."
I have to say, the posts of "black people denouncing blm," have me laughing in a not funny way. How convenient that you agree with the black person saying what you like to hear.
I still cannot fathom why people believe these two things are mutually exclusive.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
I'm seeing it all over. When 8 respond, I respond with "I support keeping our police safe, and I support the BLM movement."
I have to say, the posts of "black people denouncing blm," have me laughing in a not funny way. How convenient that you agree with the black person saying what you like to hear.
I still cannot fathom why people believe these two things are mutually exclusive.
Y'all know why. Because Black people are perceived as a monolithic group. All of us think and behave the same so therefore everyone in BLM is ok with shooting folks in cold blood.
Which is asinine because part of the effort to get Body Cameras is also about protecting police. If you can have video of what went down, then you can clear officers in tricky situations just as well as showing blatant lies in the case where the officer shot the guy unwarranted.
Folks have been preparing for this "race war" since the Nat Turner burned Shit down. That rhetoric has never died. Black people are forgiving to a Damn fault. As much hell as we've gone through, we should be at war. All we've ever wanted was to be seen as human. We can't even get anyone to recognize things still need work. Nope. Just tell Massa thank ya for dese here bootstraps and Ben Carson.
This is some bullshit about asking us to denounce BLM. Fuck that noise.
I still cannot fathom why people believe these two things are mutually exclusive.
Y'all know why. Because Black people are perceived as a monolithic group. All of us think and behave the same so therefore everyone in BLM is ok with shooting folks in cold blood.
Which is asinine because part of the effort to get Body Cameras is also about protecting police. If you can have video of what went down, then you can clear officers in tricky situations just as well as showing blatant lies in the case where the officer shot the guy unwarranted.
Folks have been preparing for this "race war" since the Nat Turner burned Shit down. That rhetoric has never died. Black people are forgiving to a Damn fault. As much hell as we've gone through, we should be at war. All we've ever wanted was to be seen as human. We can't even get anyone to recognize things still need work. Nope. Just tell Massa thank ya for dese here bootstraps and Ben Carson.
This is some bullshit about asking us to denounce BLM. Fuck that noise.
FWIW, and I know he's only one with a few like minded coworkers, but H is fully on board with bodycams. He and other members of his squad have worn them as part of a trial here. They gave them rave reviews.
Also, I know what you're saying here is true. I hope my comment didn't make it seem otherwise.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
Y'all know why. Because Black people are perceived as a monolithic group. All of us think and behave the same so therefore everyone in BLM is ok with shooting folks in cold blood.
Which is asinine because part of the effort to get Body Cameras is also about protecting police. If you can have video of what went down, then you can clear officers in tricky situations just as well as showing blatant lies in the case where the officer shot the guy unwarranted.
Folks have been preparing for this "race war" since the Nat Turner burned Shit down. That rhetoric has never died. Black people are forgiving to a Damn fault. As much hell as we've gone through, we should be at war. All we've ever wanted was to be seen as human. We can't even get anyone to recognize things still need work. Nope. Just tell Massa thank ya for dese here bootstraps and Ben Carson.
This is some bullshit about asking us to denounce BLM. Fuck that noise.
FWIW, and I know he's only one with a few like minded coworkers, but H is fully on board with bodycams. He and other members of his squad have worn them as part of a trial here. They gave them rave reviews.
Also, I know what you're saying here is true. I hope my comment didn't make it seem otherwise.
No - we're good. I was just answering in general. You know you're my boo.
I'm just sick of this narrative that we have to choose or denounce the behavior of some nutcases. That has straight pissed me off.
How shall all black people denounce BLM? Is there a website we need to go to, a spreadsheet on Google?
I believe you go to the same place where Muslims go to register their opposition to terrorism. If you're a black Muslim, you can conveniently do these both at the same time.
How shall all black people denounce BLM? Is there a website we need to go to, a spreadsheet on Google? I bet this is Obama's fault. I'm really not sure why they think black people have a super secret telephone line that we use to discuss these things. Maybe I should have gotten my Obama phone to keep up. I'm not for cops being killed. I'm also not for black people being killed. Fortunately, one of the two routinely get justice and unfortunately, the other not so much. So until then #blacklivesmatter. Sorrynotsorry
With Friday’s horrific, execution-style murder of a sheriff’s deputy in Texas as just the most recent example, it’s hard not to feel it’s truly become open season on law enforcement.
We’ve discussed here the question of how much the ever-loudening national rhetoric of black victimization and oppression — accented by direct calls to violence by black radicals — is to blame for this very disturbing and downright frightening trend.
One black sheriff is going a step further and placing the blame squarely at the feet of the White House. As Sheriff David Clarke of Milwaukee told Fox News’ Judge Jeanine last night, “the President of the United States started this war on police.”
Personally, I couldn’t agree more. The first black president had a unique chance to further bridge both the racial divide and that between the black community and law enforcement. Yet, under President Barack Obama, we’ve only seen both these divides not only widen, but just about explode wide open. At times like this, when our nation sometimes feels like a powder keg ready to ignite at any moment, we need a true leader in the White House. Where is the president, calling for a stop to this hate and madness? He’s come out to defend the likes of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown — how about the nation’s men and women in blue, too? Shows exactly which lives our president believes matter and which, not so much.
As Sheriff Clarke told Judge Jeanine:
“I am too pissed off tonight to be diplomatic about what’s going on and I’m not going to stick my head in the sand about it.
another part that seems to be missing in the narrative is that much of BLM started not with just the outrage of killing of black people, but also the lack of justice when these situations happened. I am horrified at the death of police officers, but I am relieved that the perpetrator is captured / killed or otherwise put through the justice system. That is not a luxury that we have been afforded until very recently and it still remains whether charges will actually lead to a conviction and some sort of punishment. So this tit for tat rhetoric going around comes across as very "why don't we have a white history month" kind of ignorance.
In my utopian bubble I like to believe that #blacklivesmatter is about addressing violence and like Nitaw said, criminalization of every black person a cop comes across.
But to me that is not necessarily synonymous with #killthepolice. You can want peace for one without violence for the others. You can want accountability for the corrupt cops without wishing death for all cops.
Do we need founders of #blacklivesmatter get up and say - "Hey folks - please do protest, that is what we need. But don't go and do the same thing to the other side that we want to stop being done to us. Don't assume and treat all cops as the ignorant racist ones who criminalize, abuse and murder innocent blacks until you see evidence that they are doing it. When you do, turn them in. Publicly shame them. Don't murder them."
I don't think or want #blacklivesmatter to be denounced. I think it's important. But I don't like it being twisted either.
Really? You think we need a #notallblackpeople campaign? Really with this?
And what the fuck does "In my utopian bubble I like to believe that #blacklivesmatter is about addressing violence and like Nitaw said, criminalization of every black person a cop comes across." mean?
That IS what black lives matter is about. Jesus.
What I was trying to say is in my utopian bubble of course that is the way all people will take it- as it was intended before people started trying to twist it into something it isn't.
It is a utopian idea to believe people will look at the positive intention of something without trying to twist a message to suit their agenda or filter through which they see the world.