Kim Davis released

[escrow]

(CNN)[Breaking news update, published at 1:08 p.m. ET]



U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning in Kentucky has ordered that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis be released from jail.



He ordered her not to interfere with clerks in her office issuing marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.


www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky/index.html

[Velar Fricative]

I'm sure she'll follow the law now!

[StrawberryBlondie]

Does she have other duties or are marriage license kind if it?

[ttt]

I immediately went to Twitter to find out what @sitnexttokimdavis has to say about this.

twitter.com/nexttokimdavis

[meshaliuknits]

Sept 8, 2015 12:43:46 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Here is my question: once these marriages are performed, they have to be returned to be recorded; and the form currently requires that the county clerk's name appear on the recording form. Will she refuse to record these marriages?

Would the married couple know that the marriage wasn't recorded?

[ttt]

[bowies]

That's got to be one dysfunctional work environment right now. Not only are the deputies going against their boss's wishes, but they got more paperwork for their trouble.

Out of curiosity, can Kim Davis fire them?

[IIOY]

Sept 8, 2015 12:46:56 GMT -5 ttt said:

I immediately went to Twitter to find out what @sitnexttokimdavis has to say about this.

twitter.com/nexttokimdavis

I am undead at Creepy Rob Lowe.

[Cicero]

When is she up for reelection?

[tacosforlife]

Sept 8, 2015 12:43:46 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Here is my question: once these marriages are performed, they have to be returned to be recorded; and the form currently requires that the county clerk's name appear on the recording form. Will she refuse to record these marriages?

Do we know that this is one of her job duties? In my county, you obtain a marriage license from the County Clerk, but you deposit the executed license with the Register of Deeds, who records it (and is also the office that produces the Certificate of Marriage). Obviously this will vary by jurisdiction, so maybe she does still have to record them. Given her past behavior, I can't imagine she'd comply with that requirement.

[cattledogkisses]

Sept 8, 2015 12:47:42 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

Sept 8, 2015 12:43:46 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Here is my question: once these marriages are performed, they have to be returned to be recorded; and the form currently requires that the county clerk's name appear on the recording form. Will she refuse to record these marriages?

Would the married couple know that the marriage wasn't recorded?

If it wasn't recorded then I think that they wouldn't receive their marriage certificate, right?  So I would assume so.

I'm trying to remember how long it took after our wedding to receive our marriage certificate.

[meshaliuknits]

Sept 8, 2015 12:52:53 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Sept 8, 2015 12:47:42 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

Would the married couple know that the marriage wasn't recorded?

If it wasn't recorded then I think that they wouldn't receive their marriage certificate, right?  So I would assume so.

I'm trying to remember how long it took after our wedding to receive our marriage certificate.

DUH.

lol

[tacosforlife]

Sept 8, 2015 12:52:53 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Sept 8, 2015 12:47:42 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

Would the married couple know that the marriage wasn't recorded?

If it wasn't recorded then I think that they wouldn't receive their marriage certificate, right?  So I would assume so.

I'm trying to remember how long it took after our wedding to receive our marriage certificate.

We never got one after our wedding. It wasn't until I was applying for a transfer at my job this spring that I needed one, and I had to request one. It occurred to me when I was looking us up via the online system that I had never actually verified that our officiant had deposited our certificate and our marriage had been properly recorded. Whoops. The good news: he did, and it was. Our marriage is indeed legal.

[ttt]

Sept 8, 2015 12:52:53 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Sept 8, 2015 12:47:42 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

Would the married couple know that the marriage wasn't recorded?

If it wasn't recorded then I think that they wouldn't receive their marriage certificate, right?  So I would assume so.

I'm trying to remember how long it took after our wedding to receive our marriage certificate.

I remember ours took longer than 30 days, because it was longer than the insurance company had allowed to add me to H's insurance and it was a goddamn nightmare to get that sorted out. 

[specka]

I don't like this solution. What if those other clerks had said they wouldn't issue the licenses either? What would the solution have been then?

I feel like they are making allowances to let her continue being a bigot that sets a bad precedent.

[Cicero]

Sept 8, 2015 13:18:34 GMT -5 specka said:

I don't like this solution. What if those other clerks had said they wouldn't issue the licenses either? What would the solution have been then?

I feel like they are making allowances to let her continue being a bigot that sets a bad precedent.

I'd imagine that they could all be fired.  The problem is that she is elected and as such the only way to remove her from office is to be impeached by the state legislature.  A quick perusal of the internets (i.e.--not verified, take with a grain of salt) says that in KY that is a really long and difficult process--possibly longer than the amount of time she has left on her term.

[NitaX]

Sept 8, 2015 12:34:02 GMT -5 TR said:

Sept 8, 2015 12:29:00 GMT -5 escrow said:

He ordered her not to interfere with clerks in her office issuing marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.

Yep, that will TOTALLY work.

[Velar Fricative]

Sept 8, 2015 13:46:44 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Oh fucking great.

www.rawstory.com/2015/09/lawyers-vow-kim-davis-will-violate-court-order-and-halt-marriage-licenses-after-release-from-jail/

Just minutes after a judge ordered Kim Davis released from jail on Tuesday, her lawyers told CNN that she would violate a court order by forcing her clerks to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

An order from U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning said on Tuesday that Davis would be released after serving six days in jail on the condition that she “shall not interfere in any way, directly or indirectly, with the efforts of her deputy clerks to issue marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.”

RELATED: Fox News panel concludes that Kim Davis’ lawyer is ‘ridiculously stupid’

CNN correspondent Martin Savidge, who was at the jail, explained following the order that her attorney, Harry Mihet, said that the judge had ordered the release because her office had satisfied the court by issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples while she was behind bars.

“The problem here is that the attorney says she has not changed her mind, that Kim Davis is adamant that as long as her name appears on those marriage licenses, she objects and she will attempt to stop those licenses from being distributed,” Savidge reported. “Which means if she goes back on the job as is expected, she will bring the process to a halt. That’s what her attorneys believe.”

“They have said they expect her to go by her conscience which means we may go through this all again,” the CNN correspondent noted.

Savidge said that Davis’ legal team told him that they did not feel that they had won a victory because the judge had not accommodated her demands to have her signature removed from marriage licenses.

[KB]

This is such an embarrassment. Enough with this woman already. Call a special session and remove her.

[bowies]

Sept 8, 2015 13:46:44 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

RELATED: Fox News panel concludes that Kim Davis’ lawyer is ‘ridiculously stupid’

When this happens, it's time to check yourself.

[frkls]

this whole people being miraculously released from prison after being persecuted for their faith is straight out of the bible. how long until they all latch on to that as proof that she's doing God's will?

[NitaX]

For the LIFE of me, I can't understand why she doesn't get what she's doing is wrong. You're violating the rights of others. Full.Stop. You can believe whatever you want - but you can not hold a government office and DENY the rights of others based on your beliefs. The government cannot sanction religion. Just as you and everyone else are free to practice what you want - Jane and Sue are free to get married.

The End. This is honestly the same faulty logic that annoys the hell out of me regarding prayer in school. Your kid can pray anytime they get ready. What can't happen is that the school can't mandate/sanction/sponsor it. Student led prayer 0 knock yourself out. Principal saying "Now, students, let's go to God in prayer" - No.

And everyone doesn't believe what you believe, so you can't force that on others. This lady makes me want to HULK SMASH things.

[bernsteincat]

Sept 8, 2015 12:51:03 GMT -5 tacosforlife said:

Sept 8, 2015 12:43:46 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Here is my question: once these marriages are performed, they have to be returned to be recorded; and the form currently requires that the county clerk's name appear on the recording form. Will she refuse to record these marriages?

Do we know that this is one of her job duties? In my county, you obtain a marriage license from the County Clerk, but you deposit the executed license with the Register of Deeds, who records it (and is also the office that produces the Certificate of Marriage). Obviously this will vary by jurisdiction, so maybe she does still have to record them. Given her past behavior, I can't imagine she'd comply with that requirement.

County Clerk offices record all marriage certificates. I'm almost positive that the stamp on the certificate (or deed or mortar or whatever) says it's recorded in the office of (Clerk Name), (County) County Clerk, by (So and so), Deputy Clerk. So even though she might not actually enter it an stamp it, her name would still be on it.

And if I was a deputy clerk and this heifer waltzed back in from jail and told me to stop issuing licenses, there'd definitely be a fist fight.

[NitaX]

Sept 8, 2015 13:59:08 GMT -5 TR said:

HOW is she going to force her clerks to not issue the marriage certificates? Body block them? Can she fire them on her sole discretion?

She very well may be able to do so if she has the authority to fire staff at will. I previously worked in an appointed position for local govt. It was always very clear that I could be fired at the discretion of my employer. Now, that never happened, but I did know that there was very little recourse if I were termed. 

[cap]

Sept 8, 2015 13:46:44 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Oh fucking great.

www.rawstory.com/2015/09/lawyers-vow-kim-davis-will-violate-court-order-and-halt-marriage-licenses-after-release-from-jail/

Just minutes after a judge ordered Kim Davis released from jail on Tuesday, her lawyers told CNN that she would violate a court order by forcing her clerks to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

An order from U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning said on Tuesday that Davis would be released after serving six days in jail on the condition that she “shall not interfere in any way, directly or indirectly, with the efforts of her deputy clerks to issue marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.”

RELATED: Fox News panel concludes that Kim Davis’ lawyer is ‘ridiculously stupid’

CNN correspondent Martin Savidge, who was at the jail, explained following the order that her attorney, Harry Mihet, said that the judge had ordered the release because her office had satisfied the court by issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples while she was behind bars.

“The problem here is that the attorney says she has not changed her mind, that Kim Davis is adamant that as long as her name appears on those marriage licenses, she objects and she will attempt to stop those licenses from being distributed,” Savidge reported. “Which means if she goes back on the job as is expected, she will bring the process to a halt. That’s what her attorneys believe.”

“They have said they expect her to go by her conscience which means we may go through this all again,” the CNN correspondent noted.

Savidge said that Davis’ legal team told him that they did not feel that they had won a victory because the judge had not accommodated her demands to have her signature removed from marriage licenses.

At least it seems that the judge will have no problems throwing her right back in jail and/or fining her.  

[josieposy]

Did Huckabee seriously say that he would go to jail in her place if necessary?

[Cicero]

Sept 8, 2015 14:22:43 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Did Huckabee seriously say that he would go to jail in her place if necessary?

Dude. She's not even in your party. Let it go and pick up a ten foot pole.

[andrealynn]

Sept 8, 2015 14:22:43 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Did Huckabee seriously say that he would go to jail in her place if necessary?

Does he really think there are pinch hitters for jail time?

[meshaliuknits]

Sept 8, 2015 14:40:04 GMT -5 andrealynn said:

Sept 8, 2015 14:22:43 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Did Huckabee seriously say that he would go to jail in her place if necessary?

Does he really think there are pinch hitters for jail time?

[CallingAllAngels]

Sept 8, 2015 14:40:04 GMT -5 andrealynn said:

Sept 8, 2015 14:22:43 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Did Huckabee seriously say that he would go to jail in her place if necessary?

Does he really think there are pinch hitters for jail time?

Huckabee's all: